Really?

This just underscores a few of the many issues surrounding us :

1) Information regarding "safety" and protection combined with selfishness vs self sacrifice.  The masks most of the public is wearing don't protect the wearer, they protect others. So in the gym, you were demonstrating that you cared about others, but nobody else gave a crap about anyone else.  Maybe I am in the minority, but the mask issue really infuriates me, as it is a simple (albeit inconvenient) step that MIGHT help and yet has become a heated issue. 


2) The economic impact of preventative measures vs the health impact of the virus. 

3) Societies seemingly growing propensity to place blame, and efforts to avoid blame. 

No, more like an available vaccine, or something along that line.

I do not think that my school system (or any school system) is able to provide a level of prevention that I am comfortable with.

Plus, it's not just me. I have a 94 year old mother who I am responsible for.

I really think that this is a moot point anyway. I'd give odds of my County having a Fall football season this year as 80 /20 against with the best case scenario.

The way things are cooking on the surface (beneath the surface gets a scary in either direction), I would say its 95/5 we dont play any sports anywhere this year. College athletes are near refusing to play. And the pro leagues have union that will openly  support non- participation. And with all due respect to the athletes, you cannot afford to put the university, which ever one that may be, at risk.

Which means you testing positive for antibody, since that's what the vaccine would do if it works.  But I'm sure you'd accept natural immunity if that came along as well, and that's likely to occur sooner than a successful vaccine.

How long do you want to shut everything down? Cause this may be like the cure for cancer....you want to spend the rest of your days inside with a mask on.

I think what bodgoodman, scientist, is pointing out some of the flaws/gaps in logic that occur when trying to balance the public health issue of the SArs Cov-2 virus and accompanying Covid 19 disease with issues associated with limiting person to person human interaction.

Based on observation, it really seems as if a large portion of the population don't truly understand the measures that have taken place over the last 12 weeks or so. Sure, they can echo the term "flatten the curve" but I don't think many really internalized that phrase and realized that it simply meant slow the RATE of spread, not the spread. He is pointing out a sad truth, that environmentally NOTHING has changed with regards to therapeutic treatment or vaccine since mid March, and so it is illogical to think that behaviors and actions common before before then would have any effect other than to increase the rate of spread. It is virtually inevitable.



Isn't that exactly what the people pushing for an end to football due to concussions are saying? Nearly word for word?

My point is that it is a complex issue. Medically speaking it seems the BEST thing that could have been done is a world wide lockdown of every human being for around 21 days.   No "essential workers", no amazon deliveries, no curbside meals.  If you didn't have it in your home, you do without it for 21 days or so.   I think everyone knows that would have been a nearly impossible endeavor as the motivation was simply not there.  If this had been some type of visible threat it might have changed things.  But an invisible threat which doesn't have wide spread catastrophic effects isn't going to be enough for that.   So now we need to balance society and its needs with the medical actions of dealing with a new virus.  

No, they are not.  But they very much are caused by blows to the head. The type that happen play after play after play in a football game correct?  Just as spreading something contagious is caused by human interaction.   Point being they are both CAUSED by something. 

Yeah, but if I make a reasonably informed choice to play football then for the most part my risk of getting a concussion is a risk that only I bear. There could be some burden on the healthcare system, etc but for the most part a decision to play football by me is a decision to put just myself at risk.

A decision to play football that increases my risk of contracting a contagious virus and then passing that contagious virus on to other members of the community, community members who got no input on whether or not I put myself in the position to contract the virus, is different to me.

Why aren't they?  Because of the measures taken. 

 My point was not suggesting one course of action or another, but rather just pointing out that the situation really isn't substantially different than 13 or so weeks ago.  At that time, actions were taken to "flatten the curve".  Nothing has changed with regards to the "cause" of the curve (Sars Cov 2 virus) So, as I believe bobgoodman was trying to convey, trying to return to behaviors and actions prior to mid March, when nothing about the virus has changed, will simply lead to the results that the lockdown was trying to prevent correct? 

What happens if some schools go all virtual and some go since in many places the choice has been handed over to the district? Do the ones that go to school get to play and those that don’t stay home? This scenario I know could be a very real one for KY and I would guess other states as well.

I get that there are priorities, but the reality is nearly as much interaction is happening with 4 or so kids piling into a car to get to school & then go hangout wherever afterwards ignoring all social distancing. These same kids have spent the past 3 months picking up extra shifts at the grocery & hardware stores interacting with everyone. I guess the difference is they aren’t seeing kids from another neighborhood/community.

Like you or someone else has said the only truly feasible way to completely stop the spread is either a complete 21 day lockdown (which is nearly impossible nor practical), a vaccine which is probably months away (and still might not be highly effective), or eventually natural herd immunity. The right call is probably try to wait things out for a vaccine, but that might very well be around the same time herd immunity is reached.

They’re talking about offering students the option to come back as normal or learn virtually through the school. Double the work for the teachers with the same pay. No big deal.

We as teachers know most admins are not the smartest cookie. So the original ideas of everyone wearing a masking, alternate passing periods, one way travel hallways, keep same 20 kids in one classroom all day and teachers travel, have 25 lunch shifts to social distance, A/B day schedules, have JR/SR in the morning and FR/SO in afternoon or vice versa, teachers watch kids in bathrooms to make sure they wipe their ass and wash their hands are not possible. Along with the drastic drop in enrollment schools will suffer if no sports.

Admins and others who have never been in a classroom are shockingly figuring this out sooner than expected. Logistically it’s not possible. So we’re either going back like normal, or we’re not going back.

Bingo. There's a difference between a risk I knowingly and willingly take on as a player and putting others at risk. 

That's the whole point, and a huge difference between the two. If I get a concussion, my whole school doesn't maybe need to shut down and my family / friends aren't at risk. My dad who provides for the family doesn't need to go into quarantine for 14 days. My grandmother doesn't need to die. 

Extreme examples, but you get my point. 

I am all for safe. But at some point life has to resume.