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Post by coacheichler on May 5, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -6
You are after a kid who you think would benefit from playing football for your high school team, and they would probably be a pretty good player.
Mom/Dad says they won't let their kid play because of concussions and the violent nature of the game.
How do you respond to that?
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2020 13:01:44 GMT -6
You are after a kid who you think would benefit from playing football for your high school team, and they would probably be a pretty good player. Mom/Dad says they won't let their kid play because of concussions and the violent nature of the game. How do you respond to that? If you are face to face with them and they tell you this, you say “Thank you for your time, if there’s anything I can do for your son with regards to another aspect of his education don’t hesitate to let me know” If you’re not face-to-face but rather this is something that the student himself is telling you-you do absolutely nothing
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Post by coacheichler on May 5, 2020 13:08:00 GMT -6
Why do you say those things?
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Post by wolverine55 on May 5, 2020 13:21:59 GMT -6
Why do you say those things? Not to speak for coachd5085, but if you don't say those things, it's very hard to not come off as the stereotypical tyrannical football coach, no matter how good your intentions are.
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Post by cpcollet on May 5, 2020 14:17:31 GMT -6
I let them know I understand the concern. I then try and tell them all of the rule changes that have been added to increase player safety. I also let them know all of our paid coaches are heads up certified and have done a clinic with SAFE football. Here is the link to an article our paper did that I share in our parent meeting as well.https://www.dcourier.com/news/2015/jul/10/prescott-high-football-coaches-learn-ins-outs-of-/ I stress we are only in full pads one day a week. In my experience, a lot of these kids are basketball players that I am trying to get out. I share with them some data I have compiled with our trainer about injuries. Without mentioning that we are a run-first offense I share with them in the 6 years I have been Head Coach we have not had any serious injuries at Wide Reciever. Obviously none of this can guarantee the player will not get injured, but I at least want them to leave the conversation knowing how serious I take the safety of the student-athlete. Just my opinion.
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Post by carookie on May 5, 2020 14:20:35 GMT -6
I was having this conversation once with a parent, who I knew was gonna eventually allow their kid to play, so I decided to have a little fun with it and said, "You know, there are a lot of concerns about concussions and football. The truth is I had several concussions in my day, and my brain and memory are fine. Moreover, I had several concussions in my day and my brain and memory are fine...." They laughed.
The only thing I'd add on to what was said above (Thank you for your time, if there’s anything I can do...) is point out that while football is a collision sport its not the same as it was when we were kids or even just 10 years ago. Point out how you limit full contact time and teach techniques that help limit head injuries. Don't expect it to work, but its really all you can do.
A couple don'ts: don't make any promises, cause you can't guarantee they won't get hurt. And don't throw another sport under the bus- they have more concussions in girls soccer, yaddada yaddada yaddada
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2020 15:07:20 GMT -6
Why do you say those things? Because they are concerned about safety, and football is not a safe game. They believe football is a violent activity. They are not wrong. Why would I try to convince them otherwise? If they tell me their kid isn’t playing because of grades- i can argue against that. Demonstrate the fallacy of the “he needs to work on grades” statements. If they tell me their kid isn’t playing to concentrate on other sports, I can make an argument against that. Demonstrate the benefits of multi-sport participation and point out the numerous multi sport athletes. If I was approached by parents interested in football but concerned with those issues I can have a talk with them and point out some of the facts mentioned in this thread. Can explain how things are done differently now etc. I can NOT guarantee their son will be safe or that the violent nature of the sport will not negatively impact their child and I do not wish to be the one to try and talk them out of decision based on their (correct) concerns
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Post by freezeoption on May 5, 2020 15:57:30 GMT -6
Because in the end it is their decision and you need to leave it up to them. Football is a collision sport, gonna get hurt sometime. Hopefully, not serious. My second oldest boy played for me his senior year. He liked basketball but played football for fun. He was good and could have been very good if he applied himself. I let my kids pick their sports. I don't force them to do anything. The only rule is if you start you finish. Anyway 5th game of season he gets hit playing de. Not even a big hit but landed just right that he tore his ACL. He said before the season that he was going to just do basketball but he would do football if I wanted. I said I would like him to but the final decision was his, because I said there is always the chance you could get hurt and I'm leaving that for you to decide. Screwed up the rest of his year.
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Post by larrymoe on May 5, 2020 17:43:07 GMT -6
Say your piece, let them make their decision and walk away. He's not your kid and you don't know what's best for him.
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Post by canesfan on May 5, 2020 20:26:34 GMT -6
Parents will either let them play or not. One thing I’ve always discussed with parents 1 on 1 that were hesitant were the things we teach to keep them safe.
You can’t promise a kid won’t get hurt. Ultimately, football isn’t for some families. The only thing that I’ve ever really see change a parents mind is their own kid. If you’ve got a good thing going, they’ll recruit their parents for you. Works some. Doesn’t work some. Nature of the beast.
Zero any soccer coach could tell me that would make me want to let my kid play it. Ultimately, when he’s old enough he may really want to and will choose to play it, but I’m not doing it because a coach wants him to.
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Post by lmorris on May 5, 2020 22:13:36 GMT -6
I have never gotten one of these kids out for football. I have put forth every effort to try, and still to this day try. I have one kid who wants to play, comes to workouts, films our games, is built like a solid fullback, mom won't let him. Apparently when he was 5 he fell off a four wheeler landed on his head and went blind, when he was 6 fell off a tail gate and the same thing happened. According to the kid, he remembers the events and his words "i wasn't really blind i just couldn't see for a few seconds"
Had a parent with twin boys both athletic, neither played any sports until their 9th grade year, I talked to the mother several times about football but neither ever played....they ran track as freshmen. The first brother got carted off in an ambulance after suffering a concussion in Home Economics, where he opened a cabinet above reached for something below and raised up and hit is head, 20 minutes later has a seizure and concussion diagnoses. Second brother running the 300 hurdles hit a hurdle just before the curve, didn't look bad I was in the end zone walked over to see how he was doing when he looked up with his lip quivering then I looked down...he tore his patella tendon.
I always talk about the positives of playing football, we keep them accountable for their grades, we push them to be better citizens, we develop skills that you can't learn in a classroom environment. Like said above, my coaches are heads up certified and we did this before it was mandatory but still can't convince the parent who has already made up their mind.
I have had much better luck convincing kids who "don't like football" to come out and play, I have yet to have a kid come out turn around and say, "I regret playing football" but have had several say, "I regret not playing sooner"
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Post by dijackson08 on May 5, 2020 22:38:20 GMT -6
Get ready fellas because if we do have a season this year there’ll be some parents not letting there kids play do to corona virus concerns. Already starting to deal with it as we look at the possibility of resuming summer strength and conditioning. Possibly losing our best Offensive Lineman because he had asthma as a kid.
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Post by coachscdub on May 5, 2020 23:31:11 GMT -6
I'd ask them if they are planning on letting their child play any other sports, and then i'd address the statistics we have that document concussions per sport at our school. When i was at my old school, football was not the leading cause of concussions for the five years we started keeping track of concussions in all sports. Basketball, Water polo, Lacrosse all had more concussions (not per kid, but total team concussions). If the parent says yes johnny will be playing blank (for us it was either baseball, basketball, or lacrosse) we would then inform them of how those sports were also at risk of concussion, and most of those sports were statistically higher risk for a concussion at our school.
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Post by carookie on May 6, 2020 8:57:42 GMT -6
I'd ask them if they are planning on letting their child play any other sports, and then i'd address the statistics we have that document concussions per sport at our school. When i was at my old school, football was not the leading cause of concussions for the five years we started keeping track of concussions in all sports. Basketball, Water polo, Lacrosse all had more concussions (not per kid, but total team concussions). If the parent says yes johnny will be playing blank (for us it was either baseball, basketball, or lacrosse) we would then inform them of how those sports were also at risk of concussion, and most of those sports were statistically higher risk for a concussion at our school. Did this ever lead to run ins with other coaches or the AD? I'd be pretty upset if I learned another coach at our school was telling parents that my sport was a higher injury risk than theirs, and I imagine that this could lead to some dissension within athletics.
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Post by fantom on May 6, 2020 8:59:00 GMT -6
You are after a kid who you think would benefit from playing football for your high school team, and they would probably be a pretty good player. Mom/Dad says they won't let their kid play because of concussions and the violent nature of the game. How do you respond to that? I'm with those who'd thank the parents for their time and walk away. Why waste your time? Even if you do change their mind there's no way in hell the kid makes it through the season without getting a concussion.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 9:40:33 GMT -6
Why would you even bother, especially if you know this going in? It really doesnt matter what you think.
I find myself in a strange place, and this is happening more and more, not with everything of course, but I find myself agreeing with coachd5085 on this and some other things (dont ask) and Larrymoe on the parental role thing.
I do not have kids, and I am not sure I want them, mainly because if I had a coach try and tell me what is best for my kid? He is going to be told in so many words to F-OFF!
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Post by bobgoodman on May 6, 2020 10:42:12 GMT -6
Had a parent with twin boys both athletic, neither played any sports until their 9th grade year, I talked to the mother several times about football but neither ever played....they ran track as freshmen. The first brother got carted off in an ambulance after suffering a concussion in Home Economics, where he opened a cabinet above reached for something below and raised up and hit is head, 20 minutes later has a seizure and concussion diagnoses. Second brother running the 300 hurdles hit a hurdle just before the curve, didn't look bad I was in the end zone walked over to see how he was doing when he looked up with his lip quivering then I looked down...he tore his patella tendon. Reminds me of the story of a couple guys I practiced rugby with one summer. One of them a few years later playing in the front row in an old boys game broke his neck when a scrum collapsed just as it came together (because the other side wasn't quite ready), although those on the scene said it didn't look like a bad incident when it happened, other than the sound of a vertebra breaking, and he wound up quadriplegic. Something like a year later a teammate who also played in the front row was slicing vegetables in his kitchen, cut himself, fainted, fell against something and broke his neck, wound up at least a paraplegic if not a quad.
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Post by aceback76 on May 6, 2020 12:02:51 GMT -6
You are after a kid who you think would benefit from playing football for your high school team, and they would probably be a pretty good player. Mom/Dad says they won't let their kid play because of concussions and the violent nature of the game. How do you respond to that? Show them National Safety Council STATS that compare playing Football to being in a car, swimming, or using firearms (hunting, etc.). Also - the # of BB players requiring knee surgery was only 1% less than in football. As to concussions, I feel Coaches are addressing this with teaching safer TECHNIQUES.
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Post by wingtol on May 6, 2020 18:00:16 GMT -6
You ain’t getting him. Move on.
I hate motorcycles, should call them donor-cycles. Think it’s insane to ride one. If someone came up to me and said “Your son needs to ride a motorcycle they are just as safe as cars blah blah blah...” I’d tell him to _ off and walk away.
Probably the same way these parents feel about football.
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Post by bleefb on May 6, 2020 18:21:54 GMT -6
Agree, it's a losing proposition but not new. Back in the day, fear of knee injuries was all the rage. We had a kid who we brought up as a sophomore for the play-offs and started all four play-off games. He was a pretty good baseball player, and he came to us in the winter and said he was going to focus on baseball because he was afraid of hurting his knee and ruining his baseball career. He was a great kid and we tried to talk him out of it, but in the middle of the meeting he said "Coach, I'm sorry but I've got to leave. We're going skiing this weekend." Apparently he and his parents had never looked at the stats on skiing and knee injuries. If they don't want to play, you can't make them.
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Post by larrymoe on May 6, 2020 18:54:30 GMT -6
Agree, it's a losing proposition but not new. Back in the day, fear of knee injuries was all the rage. We had a kid who we brought up as a sophomore for the play-offs and started all four play-off games. He was a pretty good baseball player, and he came to us in the winter and said he was going to focus on baseball because he was afraid of hurting his knee and ruining his baseball career. He was a great kid and we tried to talk him out of it, but in the middle of the meeting he said "Coach, I'm sorry but I've got to leave. We're going skiing this weekend." Apparently he and his parents had never looked at the stats on skiing and knee injuries. If they don't want to play, you can't make them. Hilarious. I used to try to talk kids and their parents into playing. Got a couple I never thought I would. Toward the end, I realized if a kid said "No, my parents..." or "No, I want to..." it wasn't worth my time. They weren't playing or they weren't kids I wanted around. Now if a kid said no, and quietly blushed or looked down I'd work on him. Have the kids go after him to. I had a really good success rate with those. The parents said ones? Idk that I got more than 2 of those in 20 years. And one of them I played HS football with his dad.
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Post by blb on May 6, 2020 19:18:03 GMT -6
You ain’t getting him. Move on. I hate motorcycles, should call them donor-cycles. Think it’s insane to ride one. If someone came up to me and said “Your son needs to ride a motorcycle they are just as safe as cars blah blah blah...” I’d tell him to _ off and walk away. Probably the same way these parents feel about football. My college coach said, "If you have two kids and only want one, buy one a motorcycle."
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Post by wingtol on May 6, 2020 20:07:58 GMT -6
You ain’t getting him. Move on. I hate motorcycles, should call them donor-cycles. Think it’s insane to ride one. If someone came up to me and said “Your son needs to ride a motorcycle they are just as safe as cars blah blah blah...” I’d tell him to _ off and walk away. Probably the same way these parents feel about football. My college coach said, "If you have two kids and only want one, buy one a motorcycle." One of our team Ortho Dr’s use to say “Two things humans should never do jump into water head first and ride motorcycles.” A cop on staff would always say “Motorcycles the safest vehicles on the road....until the moment of impact.” And this thread has been hijacked...
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Post by coachscdub on May 7, 2020 1:52:13 GMT -6
I'd ask them if they are planning on letting their child play any other sports, and then i'd address the statistics we have that document concussions per sport at our school. When i was at my old school, football was not the leading cause of concussions for the five years we started keeping track of concussions in all sports. Basketball, Water polo, Lacrosse all had more concussions (not per kid, but total team concussions). If the parent says yes johnny will be playing blank (for us it was either baseball, basketball, or lacrosse) we would then inform them of how those sports were also at risk of concussion, and most of those sports were statistically higher risk for a concussion at our school. Did this ever lead to run ins with other coaches or the AD? I'd be pretty upset if I learned another coach at our school was telling parents that my sport was a higher injury risk than theirs, and I imagine that this could lead to some dissension within athletics. The AD was the one giving us the stats, when parents would bring up the concussion issue we would call over the AD (this was at 8th grade orientation) and we would involve her in the convo and she would have the stats with her in her paperwork. No i never heard of another coach having an issue with it because we werent trying to tell kids not to play the other sports we were trying to use the stats we had to convince the parents that concussions happen in all sports not just football.
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Post by groundchuck on May 7, 2020 3:32:14 GMT -6
This is not something I have to deal with on a regular basis. I have told parents that if they really do the research the numbers are very low and the risk/reward is worth it in my opinion. My son got a concussion his freshman year. We followed the return to play protocols and he is fine. Education of the parents by rational people is key.
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Post by CS on May 7, 2020 4:37:00 GMT -6
Punch them in the head and yell,”see! You can get a concussion anywhere!!” As you run away
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Post by mrjvi on May 7, 2020 6:06:29 GMT -6
Had a parent say their kid was a genius, Ivy kid and FB could cause his IQ to drop from any concussion he might get. Big kid who would have started soph year. He's not a genius and he still plays baseball and basketball. I said good luck and didn't look back. He wants to play but Mom is in charge. It is what it is.
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Post by coachjm on May 7, 2020 6:11:57 GMT -6
Several years ago I had two boys who had both indicated that their parents didn't want them to play, one of which was a short overweight boy who was really friendly with everyone and the other was a stern athletic boy who was a talented athlete and played basketball and baseball and had the frame to be a TE. The short boy I talked to about footbll about once a month, the athletic boy I mentioned it twice about a year apart and that was it.
The short overweight boy came out as a Sophomore, worked hard in the weight room changed his body around and started 28 consecutive games at G in his Junior and Senior year and was eventually 1st team all league, the other young man never played football.
Upon graduation, the father of the boy who didn't play walked up to me and said he appreciated that I didn't keep "bugging" his boy on playing and respecting their wishes as parents. He talked about the boy and I relationship and how positive it was in his mind because of this.
within a minute the mother of the other boy came over and thanked me for talking her and her boy into playing and the impact it had on him and developing a healthier habits, a strong work ethic, and his overall self esteem.
The point of the story, the key is knowing the audience and don't base it on what they can do for you (talent) but what you can do for them (life impact through participation).
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Post by coacheichler on May 7, 2020 7:05:05 GMT -6
Why do you say those things? Because they are concerned about safety, and football is not a safe game. They believe football is a violent activity. They are not wrong. Why would I try to convince them otherwise? If they tell me their kid isn’t playing because of grades- i can argue against that. Demonstrate the fallacy of the “he needs to work on grades” statements. If they tell me their kid isn’t playing to concentrate on other sports, I can make an argument against that. Demonstrate the benefits of multi-sport participation and point out the numerous multi sport athletes. If I was approached by parents interested in football but concerned with those issues I can have a talk with them and point out some of the facts mentioned in this thread. Can explain how things are done differently now etc. I can NOT guarantee their son will be safe or that the violent nature of the sport will not negatively impact their child and I do not wish to be the one to try and talk them out of decision based on their (correct) concerns Great ideas coach. Thanks for the feedback
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Post by coachd5085 on May 7, 2020 7:22:28 GMT -6
Because they are concerned about safety, and football is not a safe game. They believe football is a violent activity. They are not wrong. Why would I try to convince them otherwise? If they tell me their kid isn’t playing because of grades- i can argue against that. Demonstrate the fallacy of the “he needs to work on grades” statements. If they tell me their kid isn’t playing to concentrate on other sports, I can make an argument against that. Demonstrate the benefits of multi-sport participation and point out the numerous multi sport athletes. If I was approached by parents interested in football but concerned with those issues I can have a talk with them and point out some of the facts mentioned in this thread. Can explain how things are done differently now etc. I can NOT guarantee their son will be safe or that the violent nature of the sport will not negatively impact their child and I do not wish to be the one to try and talk them out of decision based on their (correct) concerns Great ideas coach. Thanks for the feedback One "red flag" in your original post is the phrase "you are after a kid". While that can mean several things, I think the many here would support the statement "don't go chasing after kids". Sure invite them to play but after that, continued "recruiting" is more often than not going to fruitless. If a kid has to be pursued, he probably is not that into it, and there is a good chance that he folds up when things get tough. Also, in this specific situation, how do you know what the parents are saying? Did they tell you, or did he? Again, I would not be surprised if the majority of time, when parents "say" their kids can't play, they actually have no idea their kids want to play. That message is coming just from the kid.
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