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Post by coachscdub on Feb 19, 2020 14:54:24 GMT -6
Last year was the first year at a new school, i applied and interviewed to be the Var QB coach, after talking with the HC and the OC i decided to take the open job as the Frosh OC. The Frosh HC was our DC, he let me do whatever i wanted on offense. The previous Frosh HC the year before me moved up to the Var as an assistant.
Now this year, that previous HC will be returning to the Frosh team as the HC and as the OC, last years HC/DC will remain as DC and i have been offered a position as the OL coach and "Run Game Coordinator". My question is how would you respond in this situation, keeping in mind that you have not really been in the loop for these moves, you simply woke up to a text stating essentially that this is whats happening.
Additionally, i have been calling plays the last 5 years on one side of the ball or the other, i havent been a pure position coach in 6 years.
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Post by blb on Feb 19, 2020 15:14:02 GMT -6
Last year was the first year at a new school, i applied and interviewed to be the Var QB coach, after talking with the HC and the OC i decided to take the open job as the Frosh OC. The Frosh HC was our DC, he let me do whatever i wanted on offense. The previous Frosh HC the year before me moved up to the Var as an assistant. Now this year, that previous HC will be returning to the Frosh team as the HC and as the OC, last years HC/DC will remain as DC and i have been offered a position as the OL coach and "Run Game Coordinator". My question is how would you respond in this situation, keeping in mind that you have not really been in the loop for these moves, you simply woke up to a text stating essentially that this is whats happening. Additionally, i have been calling plays the last 5 years on one side of the ball or the other, i havent been a pure position coach in 6 years.
Do you want to be a coach, or just have a title-call plays?
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 19, 2020 15:30:46 GMT -6
Last year was the first year at a new school, i applied and interviewed to be the Var QB coach, after talking with the HC and the OC i decided to take the open job as the Frosh OC. The Frosh HC was our DC, he let me do whatever i wanted on offense. The previous Frosh HC the year before me moved up to the Var as an assistant. Now this year, that previous HC will be returning to the Frosh team as the HC and as the OC, last years HC/DC will remain as DC and i have been offered a position as the OL coach and "Run Game Coordinator". My question is how would you respond in this situation, keeping in mind that you have not really been in the loop for these moves, you simply woke up to a text stating essentially that this is whats happening. Additionally, i have been calling plays the last 5 years on one side of the ball or the other, i havent been a pure position coach in 6 years.
Do you want to be a coach, or just have a title-call plays?
It's not about title, you can call me the janitor if i got to call plays because it is what i love to do, i love the strategy and game days are obviously when you get to do it. |
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Post by blb on Feb 19, 2020 15:36:33 GMT -6
If you want to be a real coach, do what you're asked-told to do.
Do a great job at that and advancement will come.
Being a position coach is NOT a "demotion."
If you just want to call plays - there's always Madden.
HCs hire you to do THEM a favor, not you.
Earn your spurs. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 19, 2020 15:48:28 GMT -6
I was simply accept the position without question and move forward. Yes, calling plays is fun but it's not the be-all, end-all of coaching. To be honest, I would love to be a run-game coordinator.
This is also an area where I suggest that you tread lightly. I worked with a coach who was moved from JV OC to freshman HC/OC by a new HC. He took it personally, stated that he viewed it as a demotion several times and the HC wasn't happy.
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Post by dblwngr on Feb 19, 2020 16:40:09 GMT -6
If you want to grow as a coach and get better, spending time with Oline is the best recipe. It's really a coordinator job in itself and will make you a valuable find for the next job you get.
I've been an Oline coach and Dcord both for 20 years and I would contribute a ton of the successes we've had defensively to the time spent with the big fellas and the understanding/scheming of that part of the game.
Honestly, doing both is probably to much and I keep threatening to let someone else come in and take over the Oline so I can just concentration on defense. Problem is, there just aren't a lot of good Oline coaches floating around, at least in our area.
That being said, as much as I'd love to take a little off my plate, I couldn't imagine handing it over to someone lesser qualified just to free me up more.
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Post by coachlit on Feb 19, 2020 17:30:53 GMT -6
Do you feel comfortable with a smaller role? Is there a pay decrease? Will the students see this as a demotion and treat you differently? While I agree being an OL coach will enhance your play calling abilities, I definitely see this as a demotion.
I suggest talking to the head coach and at minimum voicing your concerns. I think at some point you have to explain your feelings and thought processes—if you don’t then you may resent him for it.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 19, 2020 17:34:16 GMT -6
If you want to grow as a coach and get better, spending time with Oline is the best recipe. It's really a coordinator job in itself and will make you a valuable find for the next job you get. I've been an Oline coach and Dcord both for 20 years and I would contribute a ton of the successes we've had defensively to the time spent with the big fellas and the understanding/scheming of that part of the game. Honestly, doing both is probably to much and I keep threatening to let someone else come in and take over the Oline so I can just concentration on defense. Problem is, there just aren't a lot of good Oline coaches floating around, at least in our area. That being said, as much as I'd love to take a little off my plate, I couldn't imagine handing it over to someone lesser qualified just to free me up more. Oline/DC is a grind gig. I did it for a couple years and it was tough so hats off to you. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 19, 2020 17:37:39 GMT -6
My only issue about the OP taking the lesser role without hesitation is that the HC let him know via text message.
If the assistant is supposed to be fully loyal, it has to be a two way street. I think the head coach owes him a couple minutes of his time to let him know what he’s doing and why it’s best for the team and the coach.
Texting is extremely convenient for many conversations, but there are still some things a head coach should communicate in person.
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 19, 2020 18:24:53 GMT -6
Last year was the first year at a new school, i applied and interviewed to be the Var QB coach, after talking with the HC and the OC i decided to take the open job as the Frosh OC. The Frosh HC was our DC, he let me do whatever i wanted on offense. The previous Frosh HC the year before me moved up to the Var as an assistant. Now this year, that previous HC will be returning to the Frosh team as the HC and as the OC, last years HC/DC will remain as DC and i have been offered a position as the OL coach and "Run Game Coordinator". My question is how would you respond in this situation, keeping in mind that you have not really been in the loop for these moves, you simply woke up to a text stating essentially that this is whats happening. Additionally, i have been calling plays the last 5 years on one side of the ball or the other, i havent been a pure position coach in 6 years. OL / DL is where the game happens! Be happy you're on staff. There are lots of people who would like to be on the sidelines where the Head wants you. Stay, learn and pay your dues. The school didn't form a squad in order to stroke your ego. The kids want to play after school, and you asked to teach them. Here's your chance. I strongly suggest that you co-operate and give it your best in coaching, and in your attitude. If you do that you can expect to be called back next year. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 19, 2020 19:35:23 GMT -6
How is the total football program set up? How many total coaches? Were you given a choice between the Varsity position and the Frosh position last year? Or were you "counseled" into the Frosh position? And a run game coordinator for Frosh ball? To be honest I think that is a made up title just to try and soften the demotion so to speak. HOw many Frosh coaches were there last year?
Hate to be the negative nancy here, but according to your story, I don't think it sounds like you are terribly valued at that spot.
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 19, 2020 20:33:13 GMT -6
How is the total football program set up? How many total coaches? Were you given a choice between the Varsity position and the Frosh position last year? Or were you "counseled" into the Frosh position? And a run game coordinator for Frosh ball? To be honest I think that is a made up title just to try and soften the demotion so to speak. HOw many Frosh coaches were there last year? Hate to be the negative nancy here, but according to your story, I don't think it sounds like you are terribly valued at that spot. Varsity and JV practice together. 9 or 10 Varsity coaches, i know one JV coach forsure, i honestly dont know what they do for JV. When i mentioned my desire to call plays the Frosh OC job was then talked about moreso than the varsity position. Run Game coordinator is BS imo at this level, and to be frank at any level, which is why i put it in quotes. Frosh coaches last year there were 5 including myself. Two of those coaches were often unable to attend practices because they had classes scheduled during practice, one would come half way through tuesday, and on gameday. The other would come more often, but missed more and more time as the school year progressed. Often times it would be just three of us, and in some cases just myself and the HC. |
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 19, 2020 20:35:30 GMT -6
So after speaking it over with some people i agreed to remain on staff, mostly because i will be trying to get my teaching credential next year and maybe a lesser role will allow me to focus on my studies more (i tend to get obsessed during football season about football).
Maybe this will be a good decision, maybe it will be a bad one, but it's only one year.
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Post by canesfan on Feb 19, 2020 21:19:29 GMT -6
Seems more like the varsity staff’s needs changed. Not really a demotion because the guy that was calling the plays was moved back down. That’s what he did to earn the call up, it makes sense he continues to do it when he’s back with the Frosh team.
Learn from it. Be the best OL coach/run game coordinator possible. Maybe you earn your stripes with this frosh coach and more importantly the varsity staff.
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Post by justafbcoach on Feb 20, 2020 8:50:47 GMT -6
I was part of a staff where the HC made all of the "varsity coaches" coach JV and freshmen games as well. So, I was WR/Pass Game Coordinator for the varsity team, but JV HC/OC. Then, the next year, a different position coach got to handle those duties. I didn't see it as a demotion. I used it as an opportunity to get better as a coach. Yes, calling plays is fun. But, those things are only fun when you have an OL that can do the things needed for the offense to be successful. I'd run with the opportunity and be the best OL Coach/RGC you can be. A title doesn't mean nearly as much as the impact you have reaching your players and showing them success.
I do agree with another poster though that I would want to talk with the HC about why the process was handled via text message. That seems like a weird way to make that decision unless he is always texting out information about the program as a way to communicate. A face-to-face would have been better.
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Post by s73 on Feb 20, 2020 8:54:47 GMT -6
Last year was the first year at a new school, i applied and interviewed to be the Var QB coach, after talking with the HC and the OC i decided to take the open job as the Frosh OC. The Frosh HC was our DC, he let me do whatever i wanted on offense. The previous Frosh HC the year before me moved up to the Var as an assistant. Now this year, that previous HC will be returning to the Frosh team as the HC and as the OC, last years HC/DC will remain as DC and i have been offered a position as the OL coach and "Run Game Coordinator". My question is how would you respond in this situation, keeping in mind that you have not really been in the loop for these moves, you simply woke up to a text stating essentially that this is whats happening. Additionally, i have been calling plays the last 5 years on one side of the ball or the other, i havent been a pure position coach in 6 years. If it's only your 2nd year I think you need to deal with it. JMO. |
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Post by humble on Feb 20, 2020 9:07:49 GMT -6
You will have a much bigger effect on the outcome on Friday nights being the OL coach than actually calling the plays. You can have play caller that isn't the best but a good OL coach can make him look good!
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 20, 2020 10:08:45 GMT -6
You orignally applied and interviewed to be solely a position coach with no play calling duties, right? Now you get to do it.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 20, 2020 10:10:31 GMT -6
Go where you feel celebrated, not where you feel tolerated.
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Post by klaby on Feb 20, 2020 11:47:35 GMT -6
He texted you....get out when you can. Sorry but any HC that doesn't honor the relationship enough to sit down face to face, man to man and have a conversation is not someone I want to work for/with. That is some unprofessional BS right there.
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Post by 54695469 on Feb 20, 2020 14:13:23 GMT -6
He texted you....get out when you can. Sorry but any HC that doesn't honor the relationship enough to sit down face to face, man to man and have a conversation is not someone I want to work for/with. That is some unprofessional BS right there. Agreed. I'd have trouble working with that guy! The HC is either scared to tell you straight to your face or he's ashamed of what he's doing. Either way, he needs to get some balls and address issues head on...not by text message or email! |
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Post by bjohnson on Feb 20, 2020 15:47:36 GMT -6
Seems more like the varsity staff’s needs changed. Not really a demotion because the guy that was calling the plays was moved back down. That’s what he did to earn the call up, it makes sense he continues to do it when he’s back with the Frosh team. Learn from it. Be the best OL coach/run game coordinator possible. Maybe you earn your stripes with this frosh coach and more importantly the varsity staff. Totally agree with this statement. I would take the opportunity to learn as much as you can and become the best OLINE coach you can be. The really good ones are an endangered species and if you really want to be an OC then your stock will rise having coached in the trenches. Good luck. |
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 20, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -6
You orignally applied and interviewed to be solely a position coach with no play calling duties, right? Now you get to do it. At two levels lower just to be clear. |
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 20, 2020 17:38:01 GMT -6
He texted you....get out when you can. Sorry but any HC that doesn't honor the relationship enough to sit down face to face, man to man and have a conversation is not someone I want to work for/with. That is some unprofessional BS right there. The text was from the now Frosh HC, not the Varsity HC just to be clear, idk if some people are thinking it's the varsity HC. I havent heard from him in terms of my role with the team in a while. |
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Post by newhope on Feb 20, 2020 17:56:30 GMT -6
You obviously aren’t going to be happy and don’t want to accept this new role. You should leave—better for you and the program. For whatever reason this guy is coming back to the freshman team as HC, he’s comfortable calling his own offense. You can’t fault him for that.
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Post by klaby on Feb 21, 2020 12:02:30 GMT -6
He texted you....get out when you can. Sorry but any HC that doesn't honor the relationship enough to sit down face to face, man to man and have a conversation is not someone I want to work for/with. That is some unprofessional BS right there. The text was from the now Frosh HC, not the Varsity HC just to be clear, idk if some people are thinking it's the varsity HC. I havent heard from him in terms of my role with the team in a while. I would go see the Varsity HC right away....if he is ok with how this was handled, then I stand by my statement...get out |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 21, 2020 13:30:32 GMT -6
Your the new guy there. Sounds like they are bringing their dudes back to coach. It happens. Some day you'll have your dudes that you want to coach for you and do whatever needs be to be done to make that happen.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Feb 21, 2020 13:57:36 GMT -6
Were you any good on offense last season?
That is also part of the equation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 21, 2020 18:52:48 GMT -6
He texted you....get out when you can. Sorry but any HC that doesn't honor the relationship enough to sit down face to face, man to man and have a conversation is not someone I want to work for/with. That is some unprofessional BS right there. The text was from the now Frosh HC, not the Varsity HC just to be clear, idk if some people are thinking it's the varsity HC. I havent heard from him in terms of my role with the team in a while. This is a different set up than I am really familiar with. Having a Varsity HC so "hands off" with regards to staffing would be an alarm bell to me. So to Clarify, you got a group text message from a guy saying "Hey, look, I am returning to the Frosh team. I will be taking over from John as HC and will also be the OC, John will stay as the DC and Coachscdub will now be the OL coach. " ? |
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Post by coachscdub on Feb 22, 2020 19:50:29 GMT -6
The text was from the now Frosh HC, not the Varsity HC just to be clear, idk if some people are thinking it's the varsity HC. I havent heard from him in terms of my role with the team in a while. This is a different set up than I am really familiar with. Having a Varsity HC so "hands off" with regards to staffing would be an alarm bell to me. So to Clarify, you got a group text message from a guy saying "Hey, look, I am returning to the Frosh team. I will be taking over from John as HC and will also be the OC, John will stay as the DC and Coachscdub will now be the OL coach. " ? It was a direct text to just me from the Coach reassuming the role as Frosh HC, where he said he will be the OC, the previous HC will be the DC, and he wants me to be the OL coach. |
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