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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 19, 2020 8:46:03 GMT -6
When applying for another HFC position (experience) or that initial HFC job what are the factors to consider when considering it to be a "good" job?
In looking at a new placement, what are the top 5 reasons a place is a "good" job and top 5 reasons why it isn't and the reasons why?
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2020 9:18:12 GMT -6
Staff
Weight Room-facillities
Budget
Equipment
Trainer-Sports Medical
Not necessarily in that order.
Biggest question is, are you going to be on a level playing field with your competition, or are you going to be at a disadvantage in any of those areas (or others)?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2020 9:44:44 GMT -6
How hot are the moms?
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Post by aceback76 on Jan 19, 2020 10:04:38 GMT -6
1. Administrative backing & support
2. Sufficient budget
3. Ability to bring in your OWN staff
4. Facilities
5. Tradition (helps)
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Post by silkyice on Jan 19, 2020 11:00:12 GMT -6
Admin
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Post by bluboy on Jan 19, 2020 11:40:30 GMT -6
"Administrative backing & support" IMHO, this is big.
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Post by sweep26 on Jan 19, 2020 11:43:23 GMT -6
Good people with a unified vision for your program(s).
If you have these you can accomplish nearly anything.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2020 11:44:56 GMT -6
When applying for another HFC position (experience) or that initial HFC job what are the factors to consider when considering it to be a "good" job? In looking at a new placement, what are the top 5 reasons a place is a "good" job and top 5 reasons why it isn't and the reasons why? Does their vision match your vision, and will you be given the necessary resources to achieve that vision. If they expect you to run a good program matching community values and winning more than you lose, their level of support and resources should match that, AND you need to realize going in that you might not be making yearly deep playoff runs. If they expect deep runs and championships, their level of support should match that as well. AND you need to realize that a few 9 win seasons might not be acceptable. |
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Post by mc140 on Jan 19, 2020 11:58:04 GMT -6
Talent
Athletes who stay out of trouble and show up
Administration backing
Athletic Development class
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Post by blb on Jan 19, 2020 13:36:24 GMT -6
If you go into interview and ask them "What kind of football program do you want?"
That may be like asking them "Are you in favor of motherhood?"
But that doesn't mean you can win there.
If a job is open it is probably not a "good" job.
You need to investigate it BEFORE applying and if you do find out in your interview (if you get one) if it has the POTENTIAL to be a good job.
There are just some schools-communities that do not have the attitudes, conditions, environment - however you want to describe it - to build and sustain a successful HS football program.
Doesn't matter who the coach is, how good a guy he is, how hard he works, how good a coach he is.
There are more good football coaches than there are good football "schools."
When you take a HC job you become the "designated problem solver."
Unfortunately there are some situations where the existing conditions just won't let you. |
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 20, 2020 17:37:44 GMT -6
Great stuff!
Is there a difference between your thinking a job is good and others?
Who are individuals vital to contact? Former HFC, current coaches, people in the community, coaches in the conference, opponents, district employees, etc.
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Post by socalhscoach on Jan 20, 2020 17:42:31 GMT -6
biggest thing to me is resources vs expectation. if you dont get much resources but will have a secure job if you go 3-7 thats not horrible. but if they give you medium resources but the expectation is you need to beat schools with great resources thats not a good job
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Post by jaydub66 on Jan 21, 2020 6:26:25 GMT -6
The things to look for
AD support, are they committed to funding, supporting, helping you out anyway they can
Type of school it is. Everyone is different with what they prefer but are the type of kids, type of town, type of school the best fit for you? Do you want a regional high school with 5-7 different towns or middle schools funneling in or you do you want just a town high school with 1-3 middle schools funneling in?
It really depends on what you are comfortable with
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Post by IronmanFootball on Jan 21, 2020 7:50:26 GMT -6
The big 3:
Admin
Community
Parents
Those 3 will provide you with the resources to win
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Post by OleCoach on Jan 22, 2020 13:05:29 GMT -6
IMO:
1). Would it be a school that you would want your children to go to?
2). Will Admin have you're back and help the program.
3). Staff
4). Facilities and Budget
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 22, 2020 14:58:39 GMT -6
How good are you at determining if the Admin IS supportive...or if they just tell you they are?
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Post by jg78 on Jan 22, 2020 16:48:37 GMT -6
1. It pays well.
2. School and community support the program but are realistic about expectations. The Transalaskan Pipeline is one of the most impressive engineering feats in modern history, but it would be useless without the oil that runs through it. It takes more than infrastructure to win.
3. It's an all-around good school where people would want to send their kids for reasons other than sports.
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Post by CS on Jan 22, 2020 17:24:41 GMT -6
1. It pays well. 2. School and community support the program but are realistic about expectations. The Transalaskan Pipeline is one of the most impressive engineering feats in modern history, but it would be useless without the oil that runs through it. It takes more than infrastructure to win. 3. It's an all-around good school where people would want to send their kids for reasons other than sports. I was going to say a good job is one that pays you. A great job has all the other benefits |
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Post by fantom on Jan 22, 2020 17:56:37 GMT -6
1. It pays well. 2. School and community support the program but are realistic about expectations. The Transalaskan Pipeline is one of the most impressive engineering feats in modern history, but it would be useless without the oil that runs through it. It takes more than infrastructure to win. 3. It's an all-around good school where people would want to send their kids for reasons other than sports. I was going to say a good job is one that pays you. A great job has all the other benefits And, if you're going to have to move is it somewhere that you'd want to live. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 22, 2020 18:11:05 GMT -6
Community--do they support football and athletics in general and is it some place you want to live and have your kids go to school.
Staff
Admin
Players--you can't make chicken salad out of chicken *^%#
Level playing field with your opponents on the things that matter. Somebody might have a kick-ass press box and sound system which is great and make their facilities "better" but can you win with what you have?
When I was a head coach one of the things I had to do was get the people in charge to see we were playing teams with more paid coaches. That made them better able to supervise safety and coach (develop) players. We were able to make that happen and it correlated with our success.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 23, 2020 10:33:58 GMT -6
How good are you at determining if the Admin IS supportive...or if they just tell you they are?
Lol... Good point.
Although the OP's question is valid and worthy of discussion, one will have a hard time determining if many jobs are "good" or not. Especially when looking for HC positions as established programs tend to hire from within the existing staff. A program can look good on paper, you can watch film of their previous seasons and see that they're well-coached, and ask around all you want but there's no guarantees. A coach won't truly know if the job is "good" or not until they get their boots on the ground.
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Post by tothehouse on Jan 23, 2020 10:55:09 GMT -6
I didn't mean to thread jack. I think...in my youth...I'd jump more at a job. Now that I'm a seasoned vet I'd have more reservations and really dig deeper into the position.
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Post by coacht2210 on Jan 23, 2020 11:23:20 GMT -6
Some real good stuff here. It definitely depends on the person. I coach at a small program now and its a challenge to be real successful most years. BUT I love my staff, the kids show up (during the season) and work hard, the parents are supportive, and the AD supports me. While I am interested sometimes at coaching at a bigger program with more kids and more of a chance to be successful, I have no interest in going somewhere where I can't bring my staff, where kids don't show up and work, where the parents are combative or where the AD does not support me... And most of the jobs I see that are open seem to have some or all of those issues.
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Post by OleCoach on Jan 23, 2020 11:31:08 GMT -6
I was going to say a good job is one that pays you. A great job has all the other benefits And, if you're going to have to move is it somewhere that you'd want to live. That's a game changer for sure! |
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Post by OleCoach on Jan 23, 2020 11:36:28 GMT -6
I have come to the realization that the dog still craps in the yard no matter what. Some schools or programs keeps the grass cut so you can see the problems before you step in it. Other places may look like there are no problems, but that's because the grass hasn't been cut. Before you know it, you're taking a water hose to those nice dress shoes.
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Post by joelee on Jan 23, 2020 11:50:13 GMT -6
One thing i'd say about admin. Are they why can't we people or we can't people?
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Post by coachluey2 on Jan 23, 2020 13:32:07 GMT -6
1. Administrative backing & support 2. Sufficient budget 3. Ability to bring in your OWN staff 4. Facilities 5. Tradition (helps) This If you dont have the support of Admin then the rest of this is not worth it. |
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Post by blb on Jan 23, 2020 14:41:38 GMT -6
1. Administrative backing & support 2. Sufficient budget 3. Ability to bring in your OWN staff 4. Facilities 5. Tradition (helps) This If you dont have the support of Admin then the rest of this is not worth it.
Just because you have "support" of administration when you're first hired doesn't mean you will throughout your tenure.
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Post by blb on Jan 23, 2020 14:53:52 GMT -6
1. Administrative backing & support 2. Sufficient budget 3. Ability to bring in your OWN staff 4. Facilities 5. Tradition (helps)
I was fortunate enough to be hired at six different schools as HFC.
At NONE of them could I bring in my "own staff."
And none of them had "Tradition" or they wouldn't have been open to an outsider.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Jan 23, 2020 14:55:41 GMT -6
When I took over the head job after being the assistant for 20 plus years. I asked the Superintendent during the interview, is the school going to support the program the way it had been supported in the past. I was worried that they were going to want to doing away with things that were done in the past . For example preseason camp. I was planning on ending that practice but I wanted to see what they had to say. I wanted them to tell me that I would get the same support as in the past. My AD is a football person and has mine and the program's back. I had some situations my first two years that would have been really difficult without her support.
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