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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 20, 2019 6:18:39 GMT -6
Were nearing the end of the season now and im just wondering what garbage offenses have you seen this season?
For us the worst imo was a team grab bag offense that ran DTDW Superpower and Counter, Power-I Blast and FB Dive, 'Gun 2x2 SE Post / SL Out. That was their offense
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Post by jlenwood on Nov 20, 2019 7:50:24 GMT -6
Were nearing the end of the season now and im just wondering what garbage offenses have you seen this season? For us the worst imo was a team grab bag offense that ran DTDW Superpower and Counter, Power-I Blast and FB Dive, 'Gun 2x2 SE Post / SL Out. That was their offense Did they score any points this year? Did they win any games?
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Post by rosey65 on Nov 20, 2019 8:29:52 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker)
We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket.
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Post by junior6589 on Nov 20, 2019 9:19:00 GMT -6
One team we faced ran a potpourri offense. Started off in a flex bone series. Threw in some two back I and some spread in passing situations. They didn't know what they wanted to be.
Another team came out in a T formation every play then would shift to either a flexbone offense, or 2x2 spread, or 2 back gun, or Pro Formations.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 20, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -6
Were nearing the end of the season now and im just wondering what garbage offenses have you seen this season? For us the worst imo was a team grab bag offense that ran DTDW Superpower and Counter, Power-I Blast and FB Dive, 'Gun 2x2 SE Post / SL Out. That was their offense Did they score any points this year? Did they win any games? No wins, maybe 150 points scored all season.
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Post by bleefb on Nov 20, 2019 9:35:57 GMT -6
Were nearing the end of the season now and im just wondering what garbage offenses have you seen this season? For us the worst imo was a team grab bag offense that ran DTDW Superpower and Counter, Power-I Blast and FB Dive, 'Gun 2x2 SE Post / SL Out. That was their offense It's "garbage" if they lose, "being multiple" if they win.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2019 9:45:06 GMT -6
I've watched a lot of Bears games this year...
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Post by Victor on Nov 20, 2019 9:45:07 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker) We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket. SLING THAT BEACH IS BRAZIL IN A NUTSHELL Sorry for the caps but this describes perfectly hahah
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Post by CS on Nov 20, 2019 9:58:14 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker) We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket. Lol! We have seen some enormous offensive lines this year and we are extremely small on defense but have great speed and they don’t mash us. They try and run screens and sling it here and there it’s mind boggling
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 20, 2019 10:36:41 GMT -6
Worst we saw (isn't that bad compared to many I read above):
Power I 2TE Wishbone/T I Wing I (Wing comes in motion to the deep back and they run their I offense) 2x2 3x1 4x1 3x2
Here's the crazy aspect...all done with the same personnel. Wideout comes down to play 2nd TE. TB played WR in their open sets. Messy for sure.
Won 54-14 and they scored on our JV kids in at the end.
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Post by RunPeopleOver on Nov 20, 2019 10:41:01 GMT -6
We played a "hybrid wing t" team this year that had a plethora of athletes. On the first offensive series of our game (and film) ran rocket, belly, waggle, and punted. The second offensive series they went 2x2 and ran 4 vert or "sling dat b!tch". Stayed that way the rest of the game.
Another team we played ran DTDW pretty decent, then a pistol DW look with the main play being rocket where the wing received the pitch about 10-15 yards behind the LOS.
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Post by mattman2 on Nov 20, 2019 10:47:04 GMT -6
I've watched a lot of Bears games this year... I coached 3 years with Nagy at the school I’m currently at. He was the OC I was the DC.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 20, 2019 10:49:33 GMT -6
I've watched a lot of Bears games this year... I coached 3 years with Nagy at the school I’m currently at. He was the OC I was the DC. Palmyra?
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2019 10:53:32 GMT -6
I've watched a lot of Bears games this year... I coached 3 years with Nagy at the school I’m currently at. He was the OC I was the DC. Your point? They are abysmal this year. His play calling is 2/3 of why IMO. Heck, they weren't very good offensively last year.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 20, 2019 11:10:13 GMT -6
We have a non-con team only a couple miles away that was basically "sling that bish" with a bunch of WR screens added in. They were actually really good at running their tunnel screen (or we couldn't defend it) but it was the only thing they had. Their other screens weren't great and they'd drop back and try to chuck it deep the rest of the time, with no real run game to speak of. They couldn't control the ball so their defense's best games were like 23 and 27 points allowed, with a lot in the 30's/40's. They somehow won 2 games.
We play another team that is traditionally a powerhouse but has had three head coaching changes in three years after their head guy who won multiple state championships quit like a week before the season a couple summers ago. They always ran 21/31 personnel inside and outside veer REALLY WELL, with trap, toss, and some play action to compliment. Their new HC's have tried to mix in spread with the veer stuff and have ended up running none of it well.
EDIT: the most true example of a Garbage offense we faced was a team who did almost EVERYTHING. Jet sweeps, power/counter/power read, inside/outside zone, pin and pull, speed option, iso, trap, awful attempts at veer...they should be dominant as they have great athletes and big linemen but they're always undisciplined and spend so much time running everything under the sun that they can't actually get the ball to their best players much.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Nov 20, 2019 11:17:20 GMT -6
We have a non-con team only a couple miles away that was basically "sling that bish" with a bunch of WR screens added in. They were actually really good at running their tunnel screen (or we couldn't defend it) but it was the only thing they had. Their other screens weren't great and they'd drop back and try to chuck it deep the rest of the time, with no real run game to speak of. They couldn't control the ball so their defense's best games were like 23 and 27 points allowed, with a lot in the 30's/40's. They somehow won 2 games. Maybe contests of "sling that bish" vs "bish we sling it"?
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Post by coachcb on Nov 20, 2019 11:31:27 GMT -6
We're seeing more "Flavor Of The Week Spread Teams". They throw out all kinds of pistol and gun formations (and personnel groupings) and pretty much run whatever they saw the SEC or Big 12 doing the previous Saturday. They'll basically have every gun or pistol running scheme imaginable along with new screens, RPOs and passing concepts every single week. Their running games are generally simple enough to shut down (too many blocking schemes) but they'll have a quick QB who hurt us by scrambling if we're not careful.
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Post by blb on Nov 20, 2019 13:03:32 GMT -6
I coached 3 years with Nagy at the school I’m currently at. He was the OC I was the DC. Your point? They are abysmal this year. His play calling is 2/3 of why IMO. Heck, they weren't very good offensively last year.
The Bears were 21st in NFL in Total Offense (and Passing) last year.
Strangely they were ninth in scoring (fourth in NFC). But they were 11th in Rushing and their defense was better last year too.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2019 13:14:06 GMT -6
Your point? They are abysmal this year. His play calling is 2/3 of why IMO. Heck, they weren't very good offensively last year.
The Bears were 21st in NFL in Total Offense (and Passing) last year.
Strangely they were ninth in scoring (fourth in NFC). But they were 11th in Rushing and their defense was better last year too.
They're defense is just too banged up to carry them like they did last year. They're still pretty good. Nagy acts like calling a running play is like catching the Plague. Montgomery gained 45 yards on 6 carries that last drive? How about we don't give him the ball for a full quarter?
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Post by fantom on Nov 20, 2019 15:32:52 GMT -6
It occurs to me that the next time we fans grouse about our playcalling we may want to think about these last posts.
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Post by blb on Nov 20, 2019 15:41:01 GMT -6
It occurs to me that the next time we fans grouse about our playcalling we may want to think about these last posts.
Did you mean "our" fans instead of "we"?
Otherwise I don't understand.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2019 16:32:37 GMT -6
It occurs to me that the next time we fans grouse about our playcalling we may want to think about these last posts. I'm analyzing this as a coach. He's terrible. There are bad coaches in the world.
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Post by fantom on Nov 20, 2019 17:07:13 GMT -6
It occurs to me that the next time we fans grouse about our playcalling we may want to think about these last posts.
Did you mean "our" fans instead of "we"?
Otherwise I don't understand.
That's bacause it's gibberisih. I did mean "we". And I'm just as bad about second-guessing during pro/college games as anybody. I mean, how the hell can you throw the ball four straight times when you have 1st and goal on the run?
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Post by coachscdub on Nov 20, 2019 21:54:15 GMT -6
Worst we saw (isn't that bad compared to many I read above): Power I 2TE Wishbone/T I Wing I (Wing comes in motion to the deep back and they run their I offense) 2x2 3x1 4x1 3x2 Here's the crazy aspect...all done with the same personnel. Wideout comes down to play 2nd TE. TB played WR in their open sets. Messy for sure. Won 54-14 and they scored on our JV kids in at the end. This is basically the offense i ran the last few years. We would base out of 32 personnel tackle over. From there we would balance out to a DBL Tight DBL Wing look. As well as bump out to 2x2 with our TE's on the Outside and two of our RB's in the slots. And from that 2x2 set we would bump our FB out in to empty. Worked really well for us, we were very multiple and hard to stop, we made teams have to defend a 6 man surface on one play, a balanced double wing the next, then empty, and we would go no huddle which is what helped make it work so well. BUT, the thing that made us able to do this was simplicity. We would run Wedge out of our Tackle over set and our DBL Wing set. As well as our Sweep play from both sets. And our PA Pass. We would run an off tackle play from our tackle over set, however, we would run Super Power if we were in the DBL Wing set. We could also run our reverse out of both sets. In our spread sets it was primarily focused on throwing the ball (the first year we did this i didnt even have a run installed from these sets).
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Post by mattharris75 on Nov 20, 2019 22:12:31 GMT -6
Lol! We have seen some enormous offensive lines this year and we are extremely small on defense but have great speed and they don’t mash us. They try and run screens and sling it here and there it’s mind boggling This. We're small and quick. We won our region, but the second place team had 50+ pounds on us at every position. They had a 240 pound QB that could run, and for some reason they thought that dropping back and throwing the ball thirty something times would benefit them. LOL! Thanks guys!
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Nov 21, 2019 1:53:25 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker) We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket. Do you think the two teams you mentioned would have performed A LOT better with proper coaching?
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Post by StraightFlexin on Nov 21, 2019 6:23:03 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker) We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket. HAHAHA love this! My old DC used to refer to it as the "Ghetto Moon Ball". Chuck it up to hit the stars, hope it lands on something good.
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Post by MICoach on Nov 21, 2019 7:10:15 GMT -6
This is basically the offense i ran the last few years. We would base out of 32 personnel tackle over. From there we would balance out to a DBL Tight DBL Wing look. As well as bump out to 2x2 with our TE's on the Outside and two of our RB's in the slots. And from that 2x2 set we would bump our FB out in to empty. Worked really well for us, we were very multiple and hard to stop, we made teams have to defend a 6 man surface on one play, a balanced double wing the next, then empty, and we would go no huddle which is what helped make it work so well. BUT, the thing that made us able to do this was simplicity. We would run Wedge out of our Tackle over set and our DBL Wing set. As well as our Sweep play from both sets. And our PA Pass. We would run an off tackle play from our tackle over set, however, we would run Super Power if we were in the DBL Wing set. We could also run our reverse out of both sets. In our spread sets it was primarily focused on throwing the ball (the first year we did this i didnt even have a run installed from these sets). We did something similar when I coached DTDW with middle school kids. Based out of DTDW, but could split the TE's out and either keep the RB's as wings or put them in more of a slot receiver position. It was all the same personnel and the same run plays but when we split guys out we had a more complex combination of pass concepts - nothing insane but decent enough for middle school. Most of the teams we played would only have one pass coverage so we were usually able to exploit something pretty easily passing the ball, OR teams would just empty the box out because they didn't know how to align to 2x2, and we'd just run wedge or trap.
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Post by rosey65 on Nov 21, 2019 7:30:53 GMT -6
We always face at least one team who runs, as I call it, "Sling Dat B!!CH" They have a few good athletes. QB is a freak who runs around til he sees someone deep, then he slings dat b!!ch. They're usually good for 1 long QB run and a few deep balls a game. Keep everything in front of you and they wont score more than 6 (they never have a kicker) We also see the massive, slow white team running triple option who feel the need to run rocket every other play. Their smallest OL is bigger than anyone on our team yet luckily for us they wont give the dive more than 8 times a game, usually cuz they're in 3rd and long after we gang tackle their "fast" kid for a loss on rocket. Do you think the two teams you mentioned would have performed A LOT better with proper coaching? The option school needed more of an identity. Kids were coached well enough, offensively, but the staff didn't seem to recognize what was happening on the field. (this is the same school that runs a 4-3 Cov-0. Corners play 8 yards off, outside shoulder, eyes in backfield. No safety. They held us to under 60 yards of offense.... except for the 6 post routes to our fast slot receiver that went for 400 yards and 4 TD's) The Sling Dat B school needs more than just coaching help. Zero admin support. They go thru coaches faster than they turn the ball over on downs. They could be VEEERY good if the school program and community were all on the same page.
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Post by Victor on Nov 21, 2019 12:23:36 GMT -6
Do you think the two teams you mentioned would have performed A LOT better with proper coaching? The option school needed more of an identity. Kids were coached well enough, offensively, but the staff didn't seem to recognize what was happening on the field. (this is the same school that runs a 4-3 Cov-0. Corners play 8 yards off, outside shoulder, eyes in backfield. No safety. They held us to under 60 yards of offense.... except for the 6 post routes to our fast slot receiver that went for 400 yards and 4 TD's) The Sling Dat B school needs more than just coaching help. Zero admin support. They go thru coaches faster than they turn the ball over on downs. They could be VEEERY good if the school program and community were all on the same page. Here we have a team who has a version of Tim Tebow that actually can throw (sling dat b*tch time to time), sadly, football is amateur so the QB is the HC and team's president. A player with plenty potential that is being wasted.
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