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Post by Down 'n Out on Jan 30, 2020 10:05:36 GMT -6
To me, this begs the question of why we have so many different sets of rules for the same game. Wouldn't it be easier for the officials, players, coaches, fans, and everyone else involved to have a unified set of rules on all levels? I'm not a rules expert, so I don't know what all of the exact differences are, but it just seems logical to me to have everyone on the same page. I think we should play by college rules. The NFL can do their own thing, because they can't even figure out what is and is not a catch. One of three things happen on a passing play: an offensive player catches it, a defensive player catches it, or the ball hits the ground. How the NFL has complicated it so far beyond that is equally puzzling and frustrating to me. "Did the ball hit the ground?" "No" "So someone caught it?" "No" "Oh so it was out of bounds" "Also no" |
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Post by reffla on Jun 28, 2020 13:02:11 GMT -6
Found this thread while staying home and looking through the site. I usually confine my posts to “Rules of the Game” but have some thoughts on this one.
There is no denying that there are some bad officials on the field. I find they fall into two categories. The first are the guys who don’t give a sh*t. They’re overweight, polish their shoes once a year (whether they need it or not), haven’t read the rule book since state testing went online, and they’re still wearing the hat they bought in 2012. You don’t want them working your games, and neither do we. Given the officials shortage, both you and we are stuck with them until they retire. My best advice is to ignore them. You’ll never get them to admit they’re wrong about anything, so don’t try. If you have the ability to scratch them, please do - and let the booking commissioner know why.
The group that needs your support are the guys who are bad only because of a lack of experience. And 100% of us were there when we first started officiating. They read the rules, come to Association meetings, ask questions and try to learn, but they lack experience. And because of the shortage, they’re getting experience on Friday night instead of youth games on Saturday or JV on Thursday. These guys have the potential to become good officials, but many quit in the first two years because of negative experiences with players, coaches, and fans.
When you find yourself with a new wing on your sideline, you can ride him all night, or allow your assistants to do that, and you might even get a call or two. But when he quits because he isn’t having any fun, you’re going to have to deal with Mr “This is MY sideline” again. A single supportive comment from a HC to a new official means more than you can imagine. We always say: “After the game, if the winning coach says Nice Job, say thank you. If the losing coach says You Suck, ignore him. But if the losing coach says Nice Job, believe him.”
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Post by eaglemountie on Jul 1, 2020 20:56:42 GMT -6
Found this thread while staying home and looking through the site. I usually confine my posts to “Rules of the Game” but have some thoughts on this one. There is no denying that there are some bad officials on the field. I find they fall into two categories. The first are the guys who don’t give a sh*t. They’re overweight, polish their shoes once a year (whether they need it or not), haven’t read the rule book since state testing went online, and they’re still wearing the hat they bought in 2012. You don’t want them working your games, and neither do we. Given the officials shortage, both you and we are stuck with them until they retire. My best advice is to ignore them. You’ll never get them to admit they’re wrong about anything, so don’t try. If you have the ability to scratch them, please do - and let the booking commissioner know why. The group that needs your support are the guys who are bad only because of a lack of experience. And 100% of us were there when we first started officiating. They read the rules, come to Association meetings, ask questions and try to learn, but they lack experience. And because of the shortage, they’re getting experience on Friday night instead of youth games on Saturday or JV on Thursday. These guys have the potential to become good officials, but many quit in the first two years because of negative experiences with players, coaches, and fans. When you find yourself with a new wing on your sideline, you can ride him all night, or allow your assistants to do that, and you might even get a call or two. But when he quits because he isn’t having any fun, you’re going to have to deal with Mr “This is MY sideline” again. A single supportive comment from a HC to a new official means more than you can imagine. We always say: “After the game, if the winning coach says Nice Job, say thank you. If the losing coach says You Suck, ignore him. But if the losing coach says Nice Job, believe him.” Great so now we have to worry about the officials feelings on top of the players, parents, admin, cheerleaders, etc etc etc. Should have gotten a psych degree while I was in school. Not saying go out and call out every official for every bad call but dear lord what ever happened to growing some thick skin? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 2, 2020 14:11:42 GMT -6
Found this thread while staying home and looking through the site. I usually confine my posts to “Rules of the Game” but have some thoughts on this one. There is no denying that there are some bad officials on the field. I find they fall into two categories. The first are the guys who don’t give a sh*t. They’re overweight, polish their shoes once a year (whether they need it or not), haven’t read the rule book since state testing went online, and they’re still wearing the hat they bought in 2012. You don’t want them working your games, and neither do we. Given the officials shortage, both you and we are stuck with them until they retire. My best advice is to ignore them. You’ll never get them to admit they’re wrong about anything, so don’t try. If you have the ability to scratch them, please do - and let the booking commissioner know why. The group that needs your support are the guys who are bad only because of a lack of experience. And 100% of us were there when we first started officiating. They read the rules, come to Association meetings, ask questions and try to learn, but they lack experience. And because of the shortage, they’re getting experience on Friday night instead of youth games on Saturday or JV on Thursday. These guys have the potential to become good officials, but many quit in the first two years because of negative experiences with players, coaches, and fans. When you find yourself with a new wing on your sideline, you can ride him all night, or allow your assistants to do that, and you might even get a call or two. But when he quits because he isn’t having any fun, you’re going to have to deal with Mr “This is MY sideline” again. A single supportive comment from a HC to a new official means more than you can imagine. We always say: “After the game, if the winning coach says Nice Job, say thank you. If the losing coach says You Suck, ignore him. But if the losing coach says Nice Job, believe him.” Great so now we have to worry about the officials feelings on top of the players, parents, admin, cheerleaders, etc etc etc. Should have gotten a psych degree while I was in school. Not saying go out and call out every official for every bad call but dear lord what ever happened to growing some thick skin? Have you not read the countless threads on this board with COACHES (not officials) whining, complaining, bitching etc about how they are treated ?? How about the thread on "why you retired" which basically comes down to many if not most coaches retire because they grow weary of how they are treated? |
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 4, 2020 18:20:48 GMT -6
Found this thread while staying home and looking through the site. I usually confine my posts to “Rules of the Game” but have some thoughts on this one. There is no denying that there are some bad officials on the field. I find they fall into two categories. The first are the guys who don’t give a sh*t. They’re overweight, polish their shoes once a year (whether they need it or not), haven’t read the rule book since state testing went online, and they’re still wearing the hat they bought in 2012. You don’t want them working your games, and neither do we. Given the officials shortage, both you and we are stuck with them until they retire. My best advice is to ignore them. You’ll never get them to admit they’re wrong about anything, so don’t try. If you have the ability to scratch them, please do - and let the booking commissioner know why. The group that needs your support are the guys who are bad only because of a lack of experience. And 100% of us were there when we first started officiating. They read the rules, come to Association meetings, ask questions and try to learn, but they lack experience. And because of the shortage, they’re getting experience on Friday night instead of youth games on Saturday or JV on Thursday. These guys have the potential to become good officials, but many quit in the first two years because of negative experiences with players, coaches, and fans. When you find yourself with a new wing on your sideline, you can ride him all night, or allow your assistants to do that, and you might even get a call or two. But when he quits because he isn’t having any fun, you’re going to have to deal with Mr “This is MY sideline” again. A single supportive comment from a HC to a new official means more than you can imagine. We always say: “After the game, if the winning coach says Nice Job, say thank you. If the losing coach says You Suck, ignore him. But if the losing coach says Nice Job, believe him.” Great so now we have to worry about the officials feelings on top of the players, parents, admin, cheerleaders, etc etc etc. Should have gotten a psych degree while I was in school. Not saying go out and call out every official for every bad call but dear lord what ever happened to growing some thick skin? Sure, you can have the, f those guys response they need to learn to suck it up. Or you can be more pragmatic about this and realize there are fewer and fewer people getting into referring and be able to take an exocentric view of how you making an official's life hell is directly harming you and your team. And If that doesn't work for you, maybe just try some common decency |
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Post by resdeal on Oct 12, 2020 17:54:16 GMT -6
Friday night our opponent was called for pass interference. They stepped off 10 yards from the LOS and set the ball. I politely (no really) asked the official in front of me if it it was PI? He said yes. I said that is a 15 yard penalty. Luckily the chains had not moved. He turned and looked and said "We moved it 10". I said "you sure did, but its a 15 yard penalty". He yelled out to the WH who said "No, it's 10 yards". I responded with "No, it's 15". He replied " Your right, its 15 yards and automatic 1st down".
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 12, 2020 18:04:49 GMT -6
Friday night our opponent was called for pass interference. They stepped off 10 yards from the LOS and set the ball. I politely (no really) asked the official in front of me if it it was PI? He said yes. I said that is a 15 yard penalty. Luckily the chains had not moved. He turned and looked and said "We moved it 10". I said "you sure did, but its a 15 yard penalty". He yelled out to the WH who said "No, it's 10 yards". I responded with "No, it's 15". He replied " Your right, its 15 yards and automatic 1st down". Had a freshmen game one time where it was 2nd and 2 on the 50 at the end of the 3rd quater, our ball. We do between quarter stuff, go back out and it's 2nd and 8 on the field and on the scoreboard. I tell the guy on our side the didn't move the chains, it was 2nd and 2. He says "That's not what the scoreboard says". I run him through the last 2 plays of the 3rd quarter and why it's 2nd and 2. He says "You're winning, what do you care?" I said I'd rather he not screw our kids that way. He told me to shut up or get a 15 yd penalty. Found out from the chains kids that one of his relatives was on the team we were beating. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Oct 13, 2020 4:57:48 GMT -6
A couple of weeks ago we threw a forward screen pass. Terrible call on my part given the situation. Ball was incomplete and hit the ground. Opposing player picks it up and walks into the endzone. Ref deems it a pick 6. WTH.
Not the reason we lost. We lost because we stank that night, but the officials sure are taking the fun out of the game this year with things like this. This isn't the first terrible mistake this year, but it sure is the worst.
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 13, 2020 13:34:50 GMT -6
I was acting head coach this past Friday night as our HC's wife went into labor on Friday afternoon. Poor planning on his part, but I digress...  Anyway, prior to any introduction/pleasantries from the officials, a sideline official comes over and starts yelling at our sideline: "Who am I talking to? Who's acting as HC over here?" I told him I was and he quickly follows it up with, "Make sure your guys stay back! I consider this the warning so if it happens it's a flag!!" I was a bit dumbfounded and just simply replied, "Well, alrighty then..." In fairness, they actually called a pretty good game. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 13, 2020 19:55:42 GMT -6
Officials demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of lineman downfield, from my scouting of a potential playoff opponent: ...and many, many more. None of these involve my team, but...uh, I'd be pretty upset. We actually got to the point that on play action passes we taught our line to just run block as they never call OL down field as we were so run heavy we struggled pass blocking. Never got called for it. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 14, 2020 19:28:42 GMT -6
I was acting head coach this past Friday night as our HC's wife went into labor on Friday afternoon. Poor planning on his part, but I digress... Anyway, prior to any introduction/pleasantries from the officials, a sideline official comes over and starts yelling at our sideline: "Who am I talking to? Who's acting as HC over here?" I told him I was and he quickly follows it up with, "Make sure your guys stay back! I consider this the warning so if it happens it's a flag!!" I was a bit dumbfounded and just simply replied, "Well, alrighty then..." In fairness, they actually called a pretty good game. I acted like a head coach for three years. Wasn’t a great act! I get the sideline stuff but that stuff drives me crazy. Call it when it’s an issue. There’s going to be a bunch of holding too why not go ahead and flag during the coin flip. |
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Post by Defcord on Oct 14, 2020 19:30:53 GMT -6
Officials demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of lineman downfield, from my scouting of a potential playoff opponent: ...and many, many more. None of these involve my team, but...uh, I'd be pretty upset. We actually got to the point that on play action passes we taught our line to just run block as they never call OL down field as we were so run heavy we struggled pass blocking. Never got called for it. The original RPO |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 14, 2020 21:12:51 GMT -6
We actually got to the point that on play action passes we taught our line to just run block as they never call OL down field as we were so run heavy we struggled pass blocking. Never got called for it. The original RPO Pretty much. Just no O. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Oct 30, 2020 8:39:22 GMT -6
Friday night our opponent was called for pass interference. They stepped off 10 yards from the LOS and set the ball. I politely (no really) asked the official in front of me if it it was PI? He said yes. I said that is a 15 yard penalty. Luckily the chains had not moved. He turned and looked and said "We moved it 10". I said "you sure did, but its a 15 yard penalty". He yelled out to the WH who said "No, it's 10 yards". I responded with "No, it's 15". He replied " Your right, its 15 yards and automatic 1st down". had the exact same thing Wednesday night at a JV game |
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Post by justafbcoach on Nov 2, 2020 8:26:45 GMT -6
During the game Friday the refs gave offsetting penalties - to the defense for lining up in the neutral zone AND to the offense for a false start. Can't say I've seen that one before...
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Post by oguru on Nov 13, 2020 17:59:44 GMT -6
As an official. I find these funny. However for every poor officiating story. There are just as many poor coaching stories. Here are a couple from last week. I am a line judge
1. Guard flinches on play. Sir he moved. Coach he might of moved. However that's not my call
2. Flag on the QB for swearing. Hey Ref did you hear him swear. No coach I didn't I was 20 yards away from the flag
3. Other team returns kick 100 yards for TD. Hey Ref did you see his foot in the end zone. No coach I was on the 30 yard line. Well my coaches did. Well Coach thats not true because they were all at the end of the coaches box which is the 20.
These three are just from last week. I love when coaches think just because something happened your suppose to throw the flag. Every official has a responsibility, and it's funny when the coaches don't know that.
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 13, 2020 18:43:50 GMT -6
As an official. I find these funny. However for every poor officiating story. There are just as many poor coaching stories. Here are a couple from last week. I am a line judge 1. Guard flinches on play. Sir he moved. Coach he might of moved. However that's not my call2. Flag on the QB for swearing. Hey Ref did you hear him swear. No coach I didn't I was 20 yards away from the flag3. Other team returns kick 100 yards for TD. Hey Ref did you see his foot in the end zone. No coach I was on the 30 yard line. Well my coaches did. Well Coach thats not true because they were all at the end of the coaches box which is the 20.These three are just from last week. I love when coaches think just because something happened your suppose to throw the flag. Every official has a responsibility, and it's funny when the coaches don't know that. cognitive dissonance is a bee-otch |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 13, 2020 20:09:06 GMT -6
As an official. I find these funny. However for every poor officiating story. There are just as many poor coaching stories. Here are a couple from last week. I am a line judge 1. Guard flinches on play. Sir he moved. Coach he might of moved. However that's not my call2. Flag on the QB for swearing. Hey Ref did you hear him swear. No coach I didn't I was 20 yards away from the flag3. Other team returns kick 100 yards for TD. Hey Ref did you see his foot in the end zone. No coach I was on the 30 yard line. Well my coaches did. Well Coach thats not true because they were all at the end of the coaches box which is the 20.These three are just from last week. I love when coaches think just because something happened your suppose to throw the flag. Every official has a responsibility, and it's funny when the coaches don't know that. My biggest pet peeve with officials was when they would get intimidated into throwing a flag by opposing coaches when they were in no position to be able to see the play. Terrible mechanics of throwing flags on a crew was one thing that would set me off. |
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Post by nicku on Nov 15, 2020 20:55:55 GMT -6
I will never complain about officiating again (or at least until next week) after having refs no-show a 9th grade game last week.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2020 9:08:06 GMT -6
As an official. I find these funny. However for every poor officiating story. There are just as many poor coaching stories. Here are a couple from last week. I am a line judge 1. Guard flinches on play. Sir he moved. Coach he might of moved. However that's not my call2. Flag on the QB for swearing. Hey Ref did you hear him swear. No coach I didn't I was 20 yards away from the flag3. Other team returns kick 100 yards for TD. Hey Ref did you see his foot in the end zone. No coach I was on the 30 yard line. Well my coaches did. Well Coach thats not true because they were all at the end of the coaches box which is the 20.These three are just from last week. I love when coaches think just because something happened your suppose to throw the flag. Every official has a responsibility, and it's funny when the coaches don't know that. I think the big difference between the coaching and officiating for most guys is that the coaches and players are putting in time all week to correct the mistakes. I have a great deal of respect for all (well most) officials because without them our game will go away or be changed drastically. However, I have a higher level of respect for the crews that go back and study their games and try to improve their craft. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Nov 16, 2020 10:51:07 GMT -6
As an official. I find these funny. However for every poor officiating story. There are just as many poor coaching stories. Here are a couple from last week. I am a line judge 1. Guard flinches on play. Sir he moved. Coach he might of moved. However that's not my call2. Flag on the QB for swearing. Hey Ref did you hear him swear. No coach I didn't I was 20 yards away from the flag3. Other team returns kick 100 yards for TD. Hey Ref did you see his foot in the end zone. No coach I was on the 30 yard line. Well my coaches did. Well Coach thats not true because they were all at the end of the coaches box which is the 20.These three are just from last week. I love when coaches think just because something happened your suppose to throw the flag. Every official has a responsibility, and it's funny when the coaches don't know that. I think the big difference between the coaching and officiating for most guys is that the coaches and players are putting in time all week to correct the mistakes. I have a great deal of respect for all (well most) officials because without them our game will go away or be changed drastically. However, I have a higher level of respect for the crews that go back and study their games and try to improve their craft. Our state official in charge of the referees, encourages teams to send in questionable play calls, missed play calls, etc... on Hudl because there are many of the officials want to go back and look at those things and improve. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 16, 2020 11:18:30 GMT -6
When I was a JV HC a million years ago we had some terrible officials, just terrible but they were nearly all very nice men that wanted to do a good job. The very few that were not nice guys just seemed to be incredibly insecure and made a point of making sure we knew it was "THEIR SIDELINE".
We did have one guy that was outstanding, he was a BIG dude - all of 6'6" and a ripped 240lbs. In a game that we were blowing out our opponent we received the kick at the start of the second half, I was half paying attention and wandered into the official's area. Our kid took the kick to the house, the official was hauling ass down the sideline (watching the field as he should have) and absolutely trucked me. He barely even slowed down and I thought I'd been hit by a bus. You could see it on our film and it was widely circulated. By all rights the guy should have flagged me for it but he figured I'd been punished enough. He rose through the ranks and went on to work college games. A couple years ago my son was watching a game on a Saturday afternoon, he hollered to me, "Hey Dad, the guy that knocked you on your ass is on TV."
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Anyway, prior to any introduction/pleasantries from the officials, a sideline official comes over and starts yelling at our sideline: "Who am I talking to? Who's acting as HC over here?" I told him I was and he quickly follows it up with, "Make sure your guys stay back! I consider this the warning so if it happens it's a flag!!" I was a bit dumbfounded and just simply replied, "Well, alrighty then..."
