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Post by airraider on Dec 9, 2007 14:58:36 GMT -6
How would some of you feel if..
You had a HC who refused to pay for a trip to the state finals and the coaching clinic that is included for yourself and another coach..
but you came to find out that he took himself as well as his son to the event with school money?
This topic is of course simply hypothetical.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 15:01:35 GMT -6
Wow...that's all I can say!
Sounds like some serious fraud...my guess would be that the school wouldn't be too happy to find out that they paid for a vacation for the HC's son.
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Post by aztec on Dec 9, 2007 15:02:56 GMT -6
It is wrong to use school funds for someone not involved with the school. That is a big no no and has lead to people being fired here in So Cal. Having to shell out your own money is not unheard of and it will happen.
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Post by coachorr on Dec 9, 2007 15:03:30 GMT -6
Passive aggressive. The difference between that and "being an outrigth jerk", is with the latter, you at least know where you stand. I wouldn't put up with it, it will only get worse before it gets better. I would start looking.
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Post by trojan on Dec 9, 2007 15:39:22 GMT -6
Not cool. Not at all.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 9, 2007 15:49:30 GMT -6
I would have a severe issue with this. I have no issue paying out of pocket for clinics and such; but only when the funds are not available to myself and other coaches.
However, I would take comfort in knowing that this guy is going to suffer some consequence for his actions.
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Post by airraider on Dec 9, 2007 15:59:18 GMT -6
na
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 9, 2007 17:04:03 GMT -6
Time to find a new job...nothing good can come of that mess.
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Post by lionhart on Dec 9, 2007 17:13:06 GMT -6
thats horseS#$...... you need to inform the principal or a.d
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Post by brophy on Dec 9, 2007 17:49:58 GMT -6
if I was your head coach, I wouldn't take you either.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 9, 2007 18:18:06 GMT -6
My problem with this thread...is that because of other threads, people know what coach and which school you are referring to. I think you need to be more careful about things like this.
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Post by aztec on Dec 9, 2007 18:25:24 GMT -6
My problem with this thread...is that because of other threads, people know what coach and which school you are referring to. I think you need to be more careful about things like this. Some might but most don't. This is a huge site and what wrong is wrong. If funds for coaches of the program are used inappropriately the you should get fired. The issue with is son is another deal. That same issue makes me wonder if I will keep coaching much longer because his/ my son might be resentful of the time you spend with other kids who are not your own. It can be a Catch 22 when you are a coach. |
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 9, 2007 18:43:11 GMT -6
WOW. Sounds like the HC might get into some trouble.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 18:53:09 GMT -6
seems to me he is a person of low character. Don't really know why you'd want to continue to coach with him. Would I have a problem? In that situation...absolutely. In reality, I have to pay for my own clinics and state finals, hotel room and all, so I'm a little unsympathetic that you had to do that in order to go. However, a misuse of funds....no,no. I think airraider made it pretty clear that he was not necessarily upset about having to pay for the clinic...let's face facts...any of us who have been in this gig for any length of time have not made any money. No one gets rich coaching high school football. But, when the head coach has the opportunity to reward assistants who have busted their butts with ANYTHING (hats, t-shirts, paying for clinics, etc, etc) but instead, he takes care of himself and someone not even associated with the football program, that is, in my opinion, reprehensible. Absolutely no excuse for a head coach turning his back on loyal assistants like what happened here. |
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Post by airraider on Dec 9, 2007 18:56:32 GMT -6
n/a
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Post by kw on Dec 9, 2007 19:36:52 GMT -6
"My problem with this thread...is that because of other threads, people know what coach and which school you are referring to. I think you need to be more careful about things like this."
I can't agree with you more coach5085 why people want to share their dirty laundry is beyond me especially on the internet. Whatever he did may be wrong but for you to post it on the net is just as wrong. What goes on in the office stays in the office. I am not here to be confrontational you can say what you want but these types of threads are worthless.
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Post by lionhart on Dec 9, 2007 20:22:49 GMT -6
i have to disagree here kw..... isnt this board here for us to "vent" to each other about various football related issues? he hasnt posted a name, so whats the problem? there have been multiple threads "ripping" the administration or just asking how we all would react to a similar situation. i dont see it as "sharing dirty laundry" but rather getting it off his chest. in my humble opinion, airraider has every right to be upset if what he posted is the truth.
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Post by brophy on Dec 9, 2007 20:28:55 GMT -6
I would have to agree with kw & coachd5085.
While airraider MAY have a legitimate gripe.....THIS is the kind of thing that people get into LEGAL trouble over (disgruntled employees spilling the beans).
There are always two sides to every story.
While the gripe is legit, it is best served in obtuse terms.
Everyone knows where airraider coaches.....from VARIOUS well-covered threads. The HC's name has been alluded to a few times.
Thing is......if HE were to get on the board, how would he take it?
It wouldn't be a good situation
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Post by kw on Dec 9, 2007 20:32:58 GMT -6
Coach,
I respect your opinion, but that to me that is more of a personal issue rather than a football related issue. Also, if one has to go on a message board to vent, I don't know.
kw
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Post by kw on Dec 9, 2007 20:42:42 GMT -6
I think we are losing sight what this board was originally tended for. I see so many threads regarding who is coaching here or who was fired there. I see fewer and fewer threads on technique, scheme, etc.. Just my opinion.
kw
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Post by airraider on Dec 9, 2007 20:48:34 GMT -6
that better?
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Post by airraider on Dec 9, 2007 20:51:37 GMT -6
I think we are losing site what this board was originally tended for. I see so many threads regarding who is coaching here or who was fired there. I see fewer and fewer threads on technique, scheme, etc.. Just my opinion. kw this section is titled general.. This board should be intended for the betterment of coaches who are members. You cannot become better just by learning x's and o's.. you have to become better all around.. There is much more to the game than what to run and when to run it.. |
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Post by tog on Dec 9, 2007 20:53:18 GMT -6
I think we are losing site what this board was originally tended for. I see so many threads regarding who is coaching here or who was fired there. I see fewer and fewer threads on technique, scheme, etc.. Just my opinion. kw kw we have addressed the issue of people starting fan type posts. Quite heavy handily as well. as for the original poster's question? I see nothing wrong with it. How else to learn? How else to see how others would have handled a similar situation? |
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Post by aztec on Dec 9, 2007 21:07:47 GMT -6
I am with Tog. Many are here to learn many things beyond X's and O's in terms of being a HC or inspiring to be a HC. No names or programs are being mentioned and only those who follow airraiders posts would know the situation in greater detail. Personally this is a gripe and should be dealt with by the admin because it is wrong.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 9, 2007 21:20:53 GMT -6
I think it is simply a lesson in CLASS for those of us who one day aspire to be a head coach (or some other leadership position). Good leaders ALWAYS take care of their subordinates before they take care of themselves...loyalty is certainly the most important trait of an assistant coach but that loyalty HAS to be reciprocated by the head coach...what this guy did was sneaky, underhanded, and decided disloyal to assistant coaches who stuck with him during a pretty tough season.
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Post by ajreaper on Dec 9, 2007 21:27:05 GMT -6
There's far more to coaching then just X's and O's and certainly staff dynamics/interaction is a critical part of the job. Personally I think the HC in question here clearly made a poor decision-treating his coachs poorly will always bite an HC in the butt.
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Post by brophy on Dec 9, 2007 21:32:47 GMT -6
1) GREAT cleanup of the thread.
2) A good lesson to be learned in the "Burden of Leadership". The HEAD guy (no matter what endeavor) is about LEADERSHIP. Not necessarily a popularity contest, but no title grants you respect, it is something you earn through action.
Respect your resources (staff, boosters, admins, parents, community) - "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Don't dump on those who are there to help.
We all make foolish mistakes at times, why not learn from others?
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Post by lionhart on Dec 9, 2007 21:38:19 GMT -6
i agree..... theres som much more to coaching than "technique". this board allows us to confer with others who are in our situation and have "been there, done that", and ask advice of others. i, personally , have no problem with this thread
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 9, 2007 22:01:55 GMT -6
just to clarify, if airraider was anonymous, then I would say this is a valid thread....HOWEVER, as I mentioned (and brophy reiterated ) airraiders school and head coach have been named in several articles included in this thread. I am not condemning airraider, but rather just saying professionally, probably not the best thing to do.
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Post by coachcoyote on Dec 10, 2007 2:13:43 GMT -6
I've been on the board for about 1 1/2 years and to be honest, I don't know where he's from. I read the board to gain knowledge, see what's hot in other parts of the country, give a little advice, and vent a little. I haven't named my HC or the Admin. but I have complained.
I don't see anything wrong with the thread. If you know the coach, you've probably heard it at least whispered. If not, now you know, and you can decide what you feel.
To do that to your assistants is one of the worst things you can do. We've all spent our checks to go to various places and learn a little. I have 2 sons who grew up with football, and they never got any trips at the expense of my fellow coaches. It is one of the worst things you can do. Ethics, principles, and honesty are a few of the things we should stand for. Evidently this guy forgot or doesn't have them.
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