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Post by airraider on Jul 23, 2012 10:58:34 GMT -6
We have to line our practice field, but there are no markers.. To make matters worse, it will only hold around 80 yards total... and it has to sit kind of {censored} eyed from its surroundings in order for it to fit.. What is the best way to get it squared? Also... we want o diesel it.. we have an old canister sprayer that we will no longer be using... can we spray the diesel from it?? Thanks!
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Post by mahonz on Jul 23, 2012 11:26:24 GMT -6
Hire a surveyor....money well spent and use Roundup instead of diesel so you are eco friendly.
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Post by jlenwood on Jul 23, 2012 11:32:53 GMT -6
I would do it like this:
Pull a string line the length of the eighty yards, now go back to where your start is and measure back up the line 3 feet. Now pull perpendicular to the end line with a string and measure 4 feet. The corner will be square when your measurement between the 3' and 4' mark is 5'.
You can google "carpenter 3 4 5 rule" to get a better description. I have no idea what you are talking about "diesel it", so your on your own there.
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Post by mahonz on Jul 23, 2012 11:54:24 GMT -6
Good idea to multiply each measurement by 10 or more. More accurate when dealing with such long distances. If you go 3 4 5 and are off just a quarter inch....you are now off a few feet when dealing with a football field.
30’ …then 40’…equals 50’ or 45’…then 60’ equals 75’ for example.
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Post by coachklee on Jul 23, 2012 21:20:13 GMT -6
Good idea to multiply each measurement by 10 or more. More accurate when dealing with such long distances. If you go 3 4 5 and are off just a quarter inch....you are now off a few feet when dealing with a football field. 30’ …then 40’…equals 50’ or 45’…then 60’ equals 75’ for example. As a part time coach and full time math teacher I fully second this approach. Use the 45' and 60' as the legs of the triangle and 75' as the hypotenuse (longside). Repeat for the other corners. If you have enough rope/string and 53 1/3 yards of width (160 feet) I recommend using some pythagorean theorem to get the following measurements: 80 yards/240 feet long, 53 1/3 yards/160 feet wide and a diagonal from one corner to the other corner of 96 yards 5 inches or 228 ft 5 inches, sort of mirror that on the opposite side of the diagonal and that should be the squarest field you get. After you have these measurements with the side lines and end lines, measure every 5 yards or 10 yards on both sides with a string going all the way across from one end to the next.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 23, 2012 22:08:20 GMT -6
I think the hassle of measuring out 228' 5" would outweigh the improved theoretical accuracy.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 23, 2012 23:15:37 GMT -6
how do you paint your game field? I paint all the fields around the high school I coach at and we have strings. 2 that are 120 yards with notches every 5 yards. And 4 that are 53.3 yards (the width of a football field)
Why cant you just use those? Or make some your self. Make as accurate of a rectangle as possible. find out where your 50 yard line is....or 40 yard line (if you only have 80 yards). You are going to be right on if not pretty darn close. In an area that is 120 yds x 53.3 yds a few feet here or there is hardly noticed....esp if it is just for a practice field.
The more width lines you add in your rectangle the more accurate it will be.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 23, 2012 23:50:43 GMT -6
Because it's basically impossible to tell if you have a rectangle or a parallelogram, whereas a triangle of 3 known sides has only one solution.
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Post by fantom on Jul 23, 2012 23:57:11 GMT -6
Because it's basically impossible to tell if you have a rectangle or a parallelogram, whereas a triangle of 3 known sides has only one solution. Not if you use a T square for the corners.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2012 7:47:22 GMT -6
Over 100 yards I'm not totally thrilled with that method. it works in theory, but a lot of slop can get introduced.
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2012 8:02:38 GMT -6
Over 100 yards I'm not totally thrilled with that method. it works in theory, but a lot of slop can get introduced. But how much? It's an 80 yd. practice field. If it's off a little who cares? If the OP has the money to hire a surveyor, great. If he has the time and inclination to do pythagorean theorems and such, OK. If he wants to get a practice lined quickly and without too much muss and fuss it doesn't have to be a major engineering problem if that's the way he prefers to go.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2012 8:24:55 GMT -6
Yeah, practice field I guess whatever. A dedicated practice field is not a luxury to which I am accustomed.
As an engineer, I kind of get off on nifty applications of trig, and it comes naturally to me. A T-square just sounds like a pain to me.
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2012 8:48:08 GMT -6
Yeah, practice field I guess whatever. A dedicated practice field is not a luxury to which I am accustomed. As an engineer, I kind of get off on nifty applications of trig, and it comes naturally to me. A T-square just sounds like a pain to me. Put it in the corner of the end line, perpendicular and extend a line out about 10 yds. Then extend the line from there.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 24, 2012 9:15:16 GMT -6
But wouldn't a laser level be so much more fun? and I don't trust the human eye to within 5 degrees, which would just bug me.
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Post by fantom on Jul 24, 2012 10:16:51 GMT -6
But wouldn't a laser level be so much more fun? and I don't trust the human eye to within 5 degrees, which would just bug me. Hell yeah a laser level would be more fun! Why didn't you mention that in the first place?
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Post by airraider on Jul 24, 2012 14:54:48 GMT -6
how do you paint your game field? I paint all the fields around the high school I coach at and we have strings. 2 that are 120 yards with notches every 5 yards. And 4 that are 53.3 yards (the width of a football field) Why cant you just use those? Or make some your self. Make as accurate of a rectangle as possible. find out where your 50 yard line is....or 40 yard line (if you only have 80 yards). You are going to be right on if not pretty darn close. In an area that is 120 yds x 53.3 yds a few feet here or there is hardly noticed....esp if it is just for a practice field. The more width lines you add in your rectangle the more accurate it will be. We use strings as well... and our game field has the 4 corners marked with metal stakes in the ground.. Our practice field has nothing...
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Post by coachwoodall on Jul 24, 2012 19:55:44 GMT -6
ummmmmmm..... not trying to be a cork but...... Survey it, calculate it, triangulate it; which ever way works for you.
Then once you have the corners, drive a 3 foot piece of rebar into the ground 2 inches below grade. Then drive a 1 foot piece of PVC pipe around the rebar, and cap the the PVC pipe 1 inch below grade.
From then on, what ever you spent in money/effort to set the field up will be repaid in time the next 3284 years with a $15 childs metal detector and an old screw driver.
The 3x4x5 triangle method is as old as Pythagoras. You can extrapolate this over any distance, simply keep the multiple based on the 3x4x5 base. IE 9x16x25, 30x40x50, 60x80x100, ect...
Set the base corner and work your math off of that corner. It doesn't matter if the field is cork eyed from the surrounding area. Don't think that the field should marry off the road/school/bleachers/trees..... simply set where you need start and work from there.
So far as your 80 yard limit, that won't hinder your calculations. If your line runs long, so what. In fact running your line an extra 25+ feet can help you verify that you figured correctly.
If you are still leery of your math, just paint it to begin with and see how it looks before you drop the diesel to it.
And to the diesel issue, if the canister works, then diesel will work in it. So far as the diesel itself, there ain't a better grass/weed killer made. You ain't going to be putting enough down to have an environmental effect ( that would take tens of thousands of gallons) even if you sprayed it every day.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 26, 2012 1:31:16 GMT -6
how do you paint your game field? I paint all the fields around the high school I coach at and we have strings. 2 that are 120 yards with notches every 5 yards. And 4 that are 53.3 yards (the width of a football field) Why cant you just use those? Or make some your self. Make as accurate of a rectangle as possible. find out where your 50 yard line is....or 40 yard line (if you only have 80 yards). You are going to be right on if not pretty darn close. In an area that is 120 yds x 53.3 yds a few feet here or there is hardly noticed....esp if it is just for a practice field. The more width lines you add in your rectangle the more accurate it will be. We use strings as well... and our game field has the 4 corners marked with metal stakes in the ground.. Our practice field has nothing... Maybe I do what ever I can to not use math haha, but I never found something like this that complicated. For practice fields or even the game field (although I have goal post for references). Just plop the lines down and adjust as need be. Stake one end of the line and shake it till it is straight. Mark your half way point and square all the corners. You can then double check your 53.3 yards at your 1/4 of the field marks. Or you can use fancy tools and math equations...to each their own.
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Post by airraider on Jul 26, 2012 5:04:53 GMT -6
Just a FYI
We finished yesterday... our first corner we eyeballed the angle with a square cone base... the outgoing end was maybe .25 of an inch wider than the corner... thought.. no big deal..
Boy was I wrong... at the width of 160' that .25 inch grew to nearly 40 feet!
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Post by hsrose on Jul 26, 2012 8:01:20 GMT -6
I always thought that a good geometry class exercise would be to have the students lay out the basic sports shapes - a football field, a soccer field, a lacrosse field. Miniature versions, but the thinking that goes into that - how to layout the circle and box in the soccer field and such. Lots of simple math, angles, measurements, how to determine a process.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jul 26, 2012 23:19:18 GMT -6
Actually it's a total biznatch. If you don't have a solid point to start from its a massive task. Maybe if you gave them the four goal posts it would be really interesting to see if they can use the problem solving. That would have been a lot more fun than running through dozens of trig proofs.
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Post by coachklee on Jul 30, 2012 11:07:56 GMT -6
I always thought that a good geometry class exercise would be to have the students lay out the basic sports shapes - a football field, a soccer field, a lacrosse field. Miniature versions, but the thinking that goes into that - how to layout the circle and box in the soccer field and such. Lots of simple math, angles, measurements, how to determine a process. I like the idea...definitely will keep in mind if I ever have a Geometry class again! Pick your favorite sports field and lay it out...make it to a scale so you have to do some conversions. Great simple Geometry and basic math (no trig is needed altough it could be for upper level classes).
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Post by realdawg on Feb 1, 2021 4:55:47 GMT -6
Crazy to add to this....our game field was redone this summer, and we didnt have a season yet. Soccer plays its first home game later today....The company who fixed our field did a great job, and promised they would come back and reset the corners. Our AD called and texted them continually over the last couple of months. Bottom line, they have not came back and set our corners on our new game field. Like I said, there hasnt been a game of any kind on it yet, soccer has first go at it today, we dont play until later this month. So I take my father in law and wife out there yesterday afternoon. My father in law has an engineers mind, is great at Math and figuring things out.....me not so much. Anyway, we find the middle of the field from goal post to goal post. We measure out to corners, we are trying to find the corners on the football field, so the soccer coach can use that to set the soccer field....he is using the the whole 3/4/5 rule and the pythagoreum therum, and it looks good.....we get what we thing is the 4 corners set, measure the width of the field.....perfect 160 feet..... measure the length of the first sideline and we are 10 inches too short. I just dont see how we could have gotten it any better. We were very careful... I am at a loss on what to do.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 1, 2021 6:13:19 GMT -6
Crazy to add to this....our game field was redone this summer, and we didnt have a season yet. Soccer plays its first home game later today....The company who fixed our field did a great job, and promised they would come back and reset the corners. Our AD called and texted them continually over the last couple of months. Bottom line, they have not came back and set our corners on our new game field. Like I said, there hasnt been a game of any kind on it yet, soccer has first go at it today, we dont play until later this month. So I take my father in law and wife out there yesterday afternoon. My father in law has an engineers mind, is great at Math and figuring things out.....me not so much. Anyway, we find the middle of the field from goal post to goal post. We measure out to corners, we are trying to find the corners on the football field, so the soccer coach can use that to set the soccer field....he is using the the whole 3/4/5 rule and the pythagoreum therum, and it looks good.....we get what we thing is the 4 corners set, measure the width of the field.....perfect 160 feet..... measure the length of the first sideline and we are 10 inches too short. I just dont see how we could have gotten it any better. We were very careful... I am at a loss on what to do. cancel soccer
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 1, 2021 11:48:27 GMT -6
I had a HC make our play field by that 3-4-5 rule using string and a spray can like a compass and pencil. But for a practice field, how much precision do you need? I'd just eyeball it. And do you really need to line every line? How many will you actually use?
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Post by bulldogsdc on Feb 2, 2021 8:22:01 GMT -6
How are you going to preach to kids to do the little things right and how you do anything is how you do everything and then half a$$ the practice field? Good on you guys wanting to be perfect!
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Post by silkyice on Feb 2, 2021 8:55:12 GMT -6
Crazy to add to this....our game field was redone this summer, and we didnt have a season yet. Soccer plays its first home game later today....The company who fixed our field did a great job, and promised they would come back and reset the corners. Our AD called and texted them continually over the last couple of months. Bottom line, they have not came back and set our corners on our new game field. Like I said, there hasnt been a game of any kind on it yet, soccer has first go at it today, we dont play until later this month. So I take my father in law and wife out there yesterday afternoon. My father in law has an engineers mind, is great at Math and figuring things out.....me not so much. Anyway, we find the middle of the field from goal post to goal post. We measure out to corners, we are trying to find the corners on the football field, so the soccer coach can use that to set the soccer field....he is using the the whole 3/4/5 rule and the pythagoreum therum, and it looks good.....we get what we thing is the 4 corners set, measure the width of the field.....perfect 160 feet..... measure the length of the first sideline and we are 10 inches too short. I just dont see how we could have gotten it any better. We were very careful... I am at a loss on what to do. cancel soccer hahahahahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 10:22:39 GMT -6
Crazy to add to this....our game field was redone this summer, and we didnt have a season yet. Soccer plays its first home game later today....The company who fixed our field did a great job, and promised they would come back and reset the corners. Our AD called and texted them continually over the last couple of months. Bottom line, they have not came back and set our corners on our new game field. Like I said, there hasnt been a game of any kind on it yet, soccer has first go at it today, we dont play until later this month. So I take my father in law and wife out there yesterday afternoon. My father in law has an engineers mind, is great at Math and figuring things out.....me not so much. Anyway, we find the middle of the field from goal post to goal post. We measure out to corners, we are trying to find the corners on the football field, so the soccer coach can use that to set the soccer field....he is using the the whole 3/4/5 rule and the pythagoreum therum, and it looks good.....we get what we thing is the 4 corners set, measure the width of the field.....perfect 160 feet..... measure the length of the first sideline and we are 10 inches too short. I just dont see how we could have gotten it any better. We were very careful... I am at a loss on what to do. cancel soccer Please
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 2, 2021 14:49:22 GMT -6
We have to line our practice field, but there are no markers.. To make matters worse, it will only hold around 80 yards total... and it has to sit kind of {censored} eyed from its surroundings in order for it to fit.. What is the best way to get it squared? Also... we want o diesel it.. we have an old canister sprayer that we will no longer be using... can we spray the diesel from it?? Thanks! What an interesting project for the trigonometry class!
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Post by bleefb on Feb 2, 2021 16:52:29 GMT -6
But wouldn't a laser level be so much more fun? and I don't trust the human eye to within 5 degrees, which would just bug me. Hell yeah a laser level would be more fun! Why didn't you mention that in the first place? Would that be a Space Laser or a regular Laser?
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