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Post by senatorblutarsky on Apr 16, 2007 12:33:22 GMT -6
How do the rest of you handle the program that won't wave the whiteflag when you begin to scale down the attack?
I do not worry about it... but it probably has shaped my thinking. We have a 35 point running clock rule (used to have a 45 pt. rule that ended the game).
As a general rule... once we are up by 2 scores beyond 35 in the 2nd half (so, that could be 9 pts.), JVs finish the game.
This depends on the situation. We've done it earlier (lead 52-0 in the 1st QR. one time). We have some very weak teams on our schedule... and the state sets the schedule. Nothing I can do about that.
We do that because it is best for us:
1. JVs get to play in varsity games... helps morale, development (every player in our program for the lst 4 years has earned a varsity letter).
2. I do not have to re-insert varsity guys
If our little guys are getting pounded... well, it's not much different from practice anyway. We've had a lot of blowouts... if it best for our opponent to have 1s in against our JVs... well, they might need to have some success, and we (JVs) need to learn to compete at a higher level, so I never get too worked up about it (it happened a lot here... most of our 25 point wins were games we were up by 49 at one point... until our little guys got outscored 24-0).
*side note- I've mentioned this before... we did purposely 45 someone once (on the old rule). Playoff game, we scored to go up by 42 and they had their 6th personal foul (late hit) after that TD. We onside kicked, ran 2 plays and ended the game. It had nothing (OK a little) to do with vigilanteism... it was for self-preservation. We had to play again in 5 days- they were done. I was not willing to trade 1 for 1 on the injuries then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2007 8:05:02 GMT -6
It's a lot of mixed messages out there. We all tell our kids to fight to the end, to play the whole game, yet the #4 kid isn't supposed to fight quite as hard because he isn't in until his team is up by 45? Hey, put some responsibility on the coach to not go out and embarrass the other team by throwing fade routes on a 3 foot tall corner, but if my #4 RB gets loose for 40 yards, more power to him. Let's see him fight too.
As for the defensive side, if you're expecting the other team to take it easy on you then you're telling your kids not to fight anymore either--but we want them to fight to the end in the close ones?
I hate being on the losing end of a 'take a knee." We were ahead of a team 63-0 with 5 minutes left and first and goal on their 3 yard line after we jumped on a fumble. We took a knee 4 times and gave the ball back to them. How humiliating is that?
I'm probably an ass about things on the defensive side of things, but I think about it too. If I'm playing my #4 guys on D because we're up 40, I think the other team picking on my 3 foot tall corner is abusive too. If you want the game to get over, then run the ball and I'll sit in my Base D and let you play your game and I'll play mine. But you start trying to get those yards on my lower guys then you still want to play, and if you want to play, then we'll play. And I'll leave my #4's in but we'll come a huntin' for you with our blitzes.
When I see the white surrender flag come up I'll let you leave with dignity, but if you want to win one little skirmish on the way out I'm gonna make you earn it. Our #4 guys dont' want to give up points either but we're expecting them to do it with vanilla play calls. So if the other guy wants to get aggressive--so will I.
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Post by barnone on Apr 18, 2007 11:02:52 GMT -6
I am a H.S. assit. and JV D.C. We where playing a team in JV that we were killing the whole game. This team is a co-op of charter schools and just started playing football this past year. Anyways our OC (who is younger than I) serves as the JV head coach. We have already hurt about 6 of the other teams players and are up like 50-0. They have the ball on - 1 and the coach mentioned is telling me to blitz so we can get a safety and the ball back. I do not blitz and after the game and is saying that I have no balls not to blitz and that that is the game of football, ect.... I am like whatever my opinion was that would have been bush leauge.
Talking to the Varsity D.C. he really said something that made sense to me. I came from playing at a successfull H.S. back in the day. He came from a H.S. that very rarely won a game. The D.C.'s take was that I was coached with class and learned that aspect of the game, where as he may not have had that.
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Post by kloranc on Apr 18, 2007 12:23:52 GMT -6
I wish we had a chance to blow people out more often. Most of the time, our games are very competitive. We try to get experience for our number two's whenever we get a chance. I also believe that if you try to embarrass other teams, sooner or later it will happen to you! Don't let your ego lead you to embarrass the kids on the other team.
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Post by jraybern on Apr 18, 2007 19:33:05 GMT -6
We play a team each year that has been to the state championship game something like 8 years in a row. The play in probably the toughest league in their class in the state (which may contribute to why they are so successful - play tough teams each week and get better). However, this team takes the "it isn't our job to make your team competitive" approach. They usually have 1 or 2 just AWFUL teams on their schedule with 5-6 playoff teams. They embarrass the little guys as much as possible. Their kids are obnoxious, their fans are yelling for their coach to kick it onside. What is amazing is that the head guy is known as a pretty nice old farmer. But they are one of the worst winners I have ever seen. They will throw the ball deep with literally 10 seconds left in the game with their 1st team in and a 20 point lead. Our head coach has said on several occasions that the other team has girlfriends and moms in the stands watching them too. It doesn't do anyone, especially young people, any good to embarass them as much as possible. I wonder if coaches who are into that sort of thing are teachers. I don't mean that as a shot at those coaches, but one of the first things I was taught in teacher ed was that NO ONE wants to be embarassed in front of his or her peers. Why would a teacher/coach do something on the field that he would never do in the classroom? Isn't it the same thing, teaching kids life lessons, just in a different context? I have been beaten by 50 points and I did learn from it - I learned to hate the other guy (not healthy), I learned to make excuses (not healthy), and I learned to seek revenge (not healthy). On the other hand, I have learned to look out from all of those involved from a wonderful head coach who pulled the dogs off instead of humiliating a bunch of teenagers from another town who will grow up to be just as productive and compassionate as the boys at our school. I think we as MEN should step away from our egos at times and think about who the game is for - and who it isn't for.
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Post by wildcat on Apr 19, 2007 6:02:17 GMT -6
I have learned to look out from all of those involved from a wonderful head coach who pulled the dogs off instead of humiliating a bunch of teenagers from another town who will grow up to be just as productive and compassionate as the boys at our school. I think we as MEN should step away from our egos at times and think about who the game is for - and who it isn't for. Good stuff, Coach...something that all of us need to remember from time to time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2007 6:08:48 GMT -6
We scored the last 21 points of a game on defense and got booed for embarrassing the home team and running up the score. So in light of that occurrence, I think that to some degree it is up to the other team to be competitive. Shoot, the last TD we scored in that game we were just sitting back in nickel playing cover 2 and the QB throws it to us--the offensive players weren't interested in pursuing, they just wanted to get off the field again.
What makes it funnier is that the last offensive TD we scored came when they only had 9 guys on the field and no timeouts because they'd used their last one the series before when they took a 4th down timeout to put in fake punt when they were down 35-0.
So there's no way that team took care of themselves in that game. Shoot, that last TD was with our #2's but our 11 backups were better than their 9 starters. Tough to stop Iso when you're missing a Nose and a Linebacker.
So yes, running the score up is a little wrong, but just because the game is in hand at 35 or 42-0 doesn't mean that we will quit playing entirely. If that's what folks want then there ought to be a 35 point mercy rule where the game just ends.
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