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Post by gacoach on Feb 5, 2008 13:42:01 GMT -6
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Post by briangilbert on Feb 5, 2008 13:53:54 GMT -6
All I have to say is WOW!
The only thing I can think of is a booster called the kid and acted like he was a coach or something and he made an offer over the phone or something. This whole thing is messed up.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2008 14:32:48 GMT -6
An unfortunate event stemming from the fact that "recruiting" is now one of the "seasons" of football...along with preseason, the season, bowl season, and spring ball.
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Post by CVBears on Feb 5, 2008 14:58:51 GMT -6
Where was the head coach? Reminds me of a Bloodhound Gang song, "Wake up, you're asleep at the wheel"
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Post by gregspahn on Feb 5, 2008 15:22:05 GMT -6
What shocks me most is the scope of the scam. If someone was playing a joke on the kid, they did a great job. Where was the HC on this? Did he not know the ropes? He's been doing it for 20 years... What if the kid did it himself? Since no big schools held him in high regard, how did Illinois, Oklahoma, Wash. State, Nevada all get roped in? How embarrassing for all involved.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Feb 5, 2008 15:46:51 GMT -6
There's a huge thread on Cal's scout message board on this. Pretty insane story. Fernly HS had an internal investigation and hasn't released the findings yet, but said when they do release them..all parties involved will be embarrased. I mean wow.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 5, 2008 16:55:55 GMT -6
I say the kid got caught up in telling lies and couldn't find away out- LOL, until now of course.
And for the adults involved lets just say I'm not at all impressed with their common sense.
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Post by coache67 on Feb 5, 2008 17:20:20 GMT -6
Blame rests with HC - even if kid is the root of all this coach has got to do his due diligence.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2008 17:57:27 GMT -6
the blame for what? The media circus? probably..if indeed this is a case where the kid was either duped, or just made it all up. HOWEVER, I could also see the kid's parents making a HUGE deal if the coaching staff didn't believe and checked into the situation........
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Post by coache67 on Feb 5, 2008 20:18:07 GMT -6
No way coachd - the bottom line in a situation is integrity. By the way, how would the parents even know that you called?
Seriously, how many times have you had a kid recruited and you didn't personally talk to the coach, rec. coordinator - ANYONE associated with the school in question? In my short experience, every player that was being recruited by any school, at any division, I have talked to multiple coaches that were recruiting one of our guys.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2008 20:36:53 GMT -6
OH coach..I agree 100% on what you are saying. it is just a WEIRD situation....and Like I said, the whole media circus issue is the coaches deal..regardless of anything else. he has been doing this for 20 years...and he coached some JC ball..he knows enough to know how this works.
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Post by gacoach on Feb 6, 2008 9:11:23 GMT -6
I don't think placing fault should be the main issue, what about the player? If it was a hoax, I feel bad for the kid. If it was a lie that became a run away train, the kid needs help. That being said, the coach does have explaining to do. Like, was he just taking everything the kid was telling him at face value? Did he ever talk to the person who said they were Coach Tedford?
Can't wait to see how it ends.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 12:45:34 GMT -6
Apparently someone impersonated a "middle man" between the schools and the kid. sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=3233483If this is true, I really would hold the HC accountable for A) not sniffing this out, but more so B) NOT EDUCATING THE PARENTS on the recruiting process. All that said though, I have encountered more than one kid whose FAMILY was so delusional over the kids ability/future that they would have been easy targets for such a scam, AND I honestly belive that had we tried to "help" them avoid this, we would have been told we were screwing the kid over
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Post by phantom on Feb 6, 2008 13:02:01 GMT -6
The HC never talked to anybody from either school, never saw an offer letter, and he still helped set up a press conference?
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 13:21:15 GMT -6
The HC never talked to anybody from either school, never saw an offer letter, and he still helped set up a press conference? This is the part I would hold him accountable for.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 6, 2008 20:13:31 GMT -6
The kid lied.
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Post by wildcat on Feb 6, 2008 20:19:58 GMT -6
khal...is that REALLY you? "The kid lied" That's ALL we get? No pontificating? What happened to the Master Baiter!
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Post by goldenbear76 on Feb 6, 2008 20:26:06 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 6, 2008 20:30:57 GMT -6
WOW.....How do you finish the school year? Oh man...
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Post by gregspahn on Feb 6, 2008 21:07:42 GMT -6
That kid would be one interesting study in psychology. WOW. I wonder why he picked Cal?
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Post by khalfie on Feb 6, 2008 21:45:42 GMT -6
khal...is that REALLY you? "The kid lied" That's ALL we get? No pontificating? What happened to the Master Baiter! Don't have any time to talk about the youngin' making the bad decision.... Too busy working on my dissertation on why Ty Willingham is the greatest coach ever based upon his top 10 ranked recruiting class!
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 7, 2008 19:11:11 GMT -6
How is the coach supposed to be an expert on the recruiting process? Who coaches the coaches?
I coach at a small school and I'll admit that if we had a big name kid coming through who was drawing DI interest I would have no clue as to what to look out for, NCAA rules, etc... If you don't deal with it every year, it's hard to be an expert.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 7, 2008 19:47:31 GMT -6
Well, in the case in question, the HC had been a former Junior College coach..and had been coaching for over 20 years.
Beardc--you ask a good question. you can look up all the rules regarding recruiting online if you would like. (A burden, yes, but they do have simplified versions and pamphlets for the student athlete) Again, in this specific case though, even if you didn't know all the rules, a coach with 20 years of experience should have realized that I NEVER TALKED TO ANY OF THESE COACHES.
Maybe, he asked the kid about it, and the kid gave him the same "middle man" story..and the coach said "oh, well, ok"...but still...
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Post by phantom on Feb 7, 2008 20:12:20 GMT -6
Well, in the case in question, the HC had been a former Junior College coach..and had been coaching for over 20 years. Beardc--you ask a good question. you can look up all the rules regarding recruiting online if you would like. (A burden, yes, but they do have simplified versions and pamphlets for the student athlete) Again, in this specific case though, even if you didn't know all the rules, a coach with 20 years of experience should have realized that I NEVER TALKED TO ANY OF THESE COACHES. Maybe, he asked the kid about it, and the kid gave him the same "middle man" story..and the coach said "oh, well, ok"...but still... If the coach hadn't been a JUCO coach then I could see a case for pleading ignorance. He should have known about written offers and recruiting trips. How much mail had the kid received from colleges for the kid? In my experience before a kid receives a D.1 offer he gets enough mail to rupture a pack mule. The coach never heard from the college coaches? College coaches always work through the school first. Always. Shouldn't there have been a red flag that the kid's only two offers were high-level Pac 10 schools? Nevada had no interest? WAC schools had no interest but Cal and Oregon did? The coach coached JUCO, which is all about getting kids recruited. He should have known better if he'd been paying attention at all.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2008 20:40:26 GMT -6
Having coached dIII college, I can say that we didn't deal with head coaches all the time. Less than 50% I would say. Other 50% just dealt with the players, but WE OFTEN CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE PARENT(s) since when we call the home the player doesn't always answer. It's a parent or sibling. And of course many times parents would be the first one to call us back, not the player. But recruiting at the DI level involves the HS HC alot more. Many of us don't know the whole behind the scenes story, but the coach must just not have cared much about this kid because it's hard to beleive that he had no involvment in this kids future at a DI school.
If your looking for blame other than the player, you have to look at the coach and the parents.
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Post by phantom on Feb 7, 2008 21:09:13 GMT -6
Having coached dIII college, I can say that we didn't deal with head coaches all the time. Less than 50% I would say. Other 50% just dealt with the players, but WE OFTEN CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE PARENT(s) since when we call the home the player doesn't always answer. It's a parent or sibling. And of course many times parents would be the first one to call us back, not the player. But recruiting at the DI level involves the HS HC alot more. Many of us don't know the whole behind the scenes story, but the coach must just not have cared much about this kid because it's hard to beleive that he had no involvment in this kids future at a DI school. If your looking for blame other than the player, you have to look at the coach and the parents. Parents may or may not have known how it works. The coach should.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2008 21:17:45 GMT -6
If I was a parent of a DI recruit I would be very involved in his football/college future.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 7, 2008 21:42:17 GMT -6
spos--in this case, (with the 20/20 hindsight knowledge that the kid made all of this up) I could see where it would be easy to keep the parents blind to all of this...well, how to keep naive parent from seeing what they dont want to see
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2008 21:50:26 GMT -6
No, I understand. I'm sure the kid made up some very good lies. I'm sure he even typed up some letters with the Cal logo on it. At the time I'm sure no one ever thought that he could be just a made up story.
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Post by coachbigelow on Feb 8, 2008 0:17:17 GMT -6
My biggest question is how did this kid think he was going to get away with it if he went to Cal?
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