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Post by John Knight on Oct 29, 2010 10:49:54 GMT -6
all the adults in my family are educators so that is OUR faith.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 29, 2010 11:55:45 GMT -6
It's a World series game, not just a regular season game of which there are some 160 and it's not always possible to even get tickets to a world series game if you'd like to go. There is no guarantee either team will be back in the world series anytime soon and if a kid is going with his dad or his grandfather there is certainly no gaurantee that opportunity will present itself again.
Some of your arguments are absolutely silly- it's just a game (really? like a baseball fan really thinks "its just a game"), we value "famous" people to much and other crap. Because you personally do not believe it's important does not mean the player and his family do not.
We are not talking about a kid wanting to miss practice to go to a movie, or shop for a homecoming outfit or get his car serviced- it's a World series game if you folks cannot see the difference between that and some generic, everyday event then that's your problem and not the kids (or his familys).
I have excused coaches from practice or allowed them to leave early to go watch their own children play a game or perform in a play- what kind of idiot am I for allowing that on my watch?
You know what happens? The kid misses and the #2 and #3 get a bunch of needed reps they've likely not been getting, the #1 (and his family) will do anything to support you and your program and the kid has a lifetime memory (I'll presume it's a #1 as there's talk of his not starting and if not, then not starting him is hardly punishment).
Some of you need to remember what being 16 or 17 was like and that others may share a passion for something else other then football and that is as real and burning as yours is for the game of football.
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Post by phantom on Oct 29, 2010 12:36:09 GMT -6
It's a World series game, not just a regular season game of which there are some 160 and it's not always possible to even get tickets to a world series game if you'd like to go. There is no guarantee either team will be back in the world series anytime soon and if a kid is going with his dad or his grandfather there is certainly no gaurantee that opportunity will present itself again. Some of your arguments are absolutely silly- it's just a game (really? like a baseball fan really thinks "its just a game"), we value "famous" people to much and other crap. Because you personally do not believe it's important does not mean the player and his family do not. We are not talking about a kid wanting to miss practice to go to a movie, or shop for a homecoming outfit or get his car serviced- it's a World series game if you folks cannot see the difference between that and some generic, everyday event then that's your problem and not the kids (or his familys). I have excused coaches from practice or allowed them to leave early to go watch their own children play a game or perform in a play- what kind of idiot am I for allowing that on my watch? You know what happens? The kid misses and the #2 and #3 get a bunch of needed reps they've likely not been getting, the #1 (and his family) will do anything to support you and your program and the kid has a lifetime memory (I'll presume it's a #1 as there's talk of his not starting and if not, then not starting him is hardly punishment). Some of you need to remember what being 16 or 17 was like and that others may share a passion for something else other then football and that is as real and burning as yours is for the game of football. Sorry, still not buying. Wednesday, the day the first game was played, is defensive day for us. If a defensive starter misses practice on defensive day that's a problem. I still fail to see how missing for a baseball game, even if it is The World Series, is better than missing for a movie or a concert or a ballet. |
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 29, 2010 12:47:22 GMT -6
Let's see a movie plays multiple times, everyday for weeks and then is available on pay for view, Netflix and DVD- so similar to a World series game live and in person it defies further explanation. And the example offered for a concert was back stage passes- rare and perhaps unable to be duplicated again- very different then just a concert.
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Post by phantom on Oct 29, 2010 12:55:29 GMT -6
Let's see a movie plays multiple times, everyday for weeks and then is available on pay for view, Netflix and DVD- so similar to a World series game live and in person it defies further explanation. And the example offered for a concert was back stage passes- rare and perhaps unable to be duplicated again- very different then just a concert. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't get it. |
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 29, 2010 13:28:46 GMT -6
LOL, thats fine because on this one I don't understand some of you and that's OK.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 29, 2010 20:32:19 GMT -6
AJ
The bottom line is WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE vs PARTICIPATING IN YOUR OWN ACTIVITY.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 30, 2010 8:34:49 GMT -6
AJ The bottom line is WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE vs PARTICIPATING IN YOUR OWN ACTIVITY. Sorry coach D we all do this all the time- to include you. Where does the line get drawn for you? Watch a funeral vs. your practice? Watch a wedding vs. your practice? Attend your grandparents 50th anniversery vs. attend your practice? Greet your brother when he returns from Iraq or attend your practice? Would you attend the birth of one of your children or attend practice or a game? After all you ain't needed for the delivery? I mean someone can tape it and you'll likely have other kids- outside of the season and you can be there for that one. If this is a kid who's been doing what you ask and working hard for your program, perhaps for several years, exercise some common sense is all I am saying. That kid will not remember that practice but he'll remember that game and who he was there with for ever. |
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Post by phantom on Oct 30, 2010 8:40:31 GMT -6
AJ The bottom line is WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE vs PARTICIPATING IN YOUR OWN ACTIVITY. Sorry coach D we all do this all the time- to include you. Where does the line get drawn for you? Watch a funeral vs. your practice? Watch a wedding vs. your practice? Attend your grandparents 50th anniversery vs. attend your practice? Greet your brother when he returns from Iraq or attend your practice? Would you attend the birth of one of your children or attend practice or a game? After all you ain't needed for the delivery? I mean someone can tape it and you'll likely have other kids- outside of the season and you can be there for that one. If this is a kid who's been doing what you ask and working hard for your program, perhaps for several years, exercise some common sense is all I am saying. That kid will not remember that practice but he'll remember that game and who he was there with for ever. Alright, I'm back in now. A baseball game= a family funeral? A FREAKING BASEBALL GAME? Really? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2010 9:41:43 GMT -6
AJ The bottom line is WATCHING SOMEONE ELSE vs PARTICIPATING IN YOUR OWN ACTIVITY. Sorry coach D we all do this all the time- to include you. Where does the line get drawn for you? Watch a funeral vs. your practice? Watch a wedding vs. your practice? Attend your grandparents 50th anniversery vs. attend your practice? Greet your brother when he returns from Iraq or attend your practice? Would you attend the birth of one of your children or attend practice or a game? . I am not in the habit of attending weddings and funerals of people who don't know who I am. Would the player in question here be invited to Tim Lincecum's wedding? If so, then by all means, go to the game. Would he be at Matt Cain's funeral? If so, then by all means go to the game. Notice all the events you typed, (and I enlarged) ALL are "two way" relationships. In each situation the event you described the "player/coach" is important to the star of the event. Not sure this is the same as scoring a couple of tickets to a World Series. |
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Post by John Knight on Oct 30, 2010 21:28:39 GMT -6
I bet the PRESIDENT would be in the World Series game if the Sox made it. If the president can take a day off to see a WSgame then a high school kid should be able to!
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2010 21:44:40 GMT -6
I bet the PRESIDENT would be in the World Series game if the Sox made it. If the president can take a day off to see a WSgame then a high school kid should be able to! The fallacy here is that the POTUS would be taking a DAY off to see a game. Definitely not the case. He might be there obviously, but he wouldn't be taking a DAY off. His stuff would be taken care of. He probably wouldn't leave a summit meeting though....(ie activity where he wasn't the SOLE dignitary) |
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Post by John Knight on Oct 31, 2010 5:03:43 GMT -6
Just trying to show the importance of the event.
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Post by bbrown2804 on Oct 31, 2010 7:48:12 GMT -6
Some of you need to remember what being 16 or 17 was like and that others may share a passion for something else other then football and that is as real and burning as yours is for the game of football. I think this really hits the nail on the head for me...I think we lose sight a lot of the time that we're coaching kids and at the end of the day, they view football as just another thing they're doing for fun during their high school years. As a 16 year old, if I had a chance to go to a major sporting event in season, there's no way I could honestly say that I would pass it up for practice. If it were a kid who was absent quite often, then I might have a problem with it. If it's a kid who's been there for everything and shown commitment to the program and his teammates, I don't see the problem with letting him go to an event that he may never have the chance to go to again. |
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Post by PSS on Oct 31, 2010 9:13:52 GMT -6
Some of you need to remember what being 16 or 17 was like and that others may share a passion for something else other then football and that is as real and burning as yours is for the game of football. I think this really hits the nail on the head for me...I think we lose sight a lot of the time that we're coaching kids and at the end of the day, they view football as just another thing they're doing for fun during their high school years. As a 16 year old, if I had a chance to go to a major sporting event in season, there's no way I could honestly say that I would pass it up for practice. If it were a kid who was absent quite often, then I might have a problem with it. If it's a kid who's been there for everything and shown commitment to the program and his teammates, I don't see the problem with letting him go to an event that he may never have the chance to go to again. Someone said it earlier, they will have another World Series. WTF? If you tell your boss hey I'm not coming in, going to the game. Probably not going to be back next year. I know our team rules our 2 un-excused absences in one week you are suspended for that week's game. Every absences you run 1000 yds of air raids. |
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Post by tog on Oct 31, 2010 10:31:31 GMT -6
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 31, 2010 19:07:34 GMT -6
I might have missed it, but is he going with his dad? Sounds like a few kids going together for the fun of it, but if it's going to a WS game with his dad, I gotta say it's okay because that's a positive family moment, IMO.
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