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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Oct 27, 2010 9:15:20 GMT -6
I have some kids going to the WS in SF today and tomorrow (did not invite me by the way)...
Told them they will miss gametime because it is an unexcused absence...
What would you do as a coach?
What would you have done as a player?
GO GIANTS!!!
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Post by brophy on Oct 27, 2010 9:23:14 GMT -6
Its excused.
How many WS will a kid have in his life?
**whoops, thought that was the little league world series there were actually playing. Nevermind - unexcused
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Post by coachdubyah on Oct 27, 2010 9:36:03 GMT -6
This is one of those things that sometimes happens in the summertime while off season workouts are going on. You can tolerate it then, I dont think you can tolerate it during the season. Just My Opinion.
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Post by mariner42 on Oct 27, 2010 9:44:05 GMT -6
We're in a nice place because it's our bye week and we have rescheduled our normal Wednesday practice (normally happens at 6pm) to 3 PM so our guys can watch the game. No one's going, although one did turn down an opportunity. I'm proud of him, although I dunno how many chances you get to see the local boys in the Series, since baseball is so anti-parity.
But, it's an unexcused practice and would cost gametime. That said, I would absolutely expect them to enjoy every moment of it and probably buy me a T Shirt.
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Post by ramsoc on Oct 27, 2010 9:48:11 GMT -6
I have one that asked which he should go to, Game 1 today or Game 2 on Thursday. I said neither, but if you gotta go, make it Thursday, its walk through day, but its still gonna cost him time.
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Post by TMGPG on Oct 27, 2010 10:06:59 GMT -6
A lot depends on the kid, is he worth a %$@! or not. If he is a big time contributor than I would kindly ask him to stay for practice.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Oct 27, 2010 10:20:31 GMT -6
One is a 2 way starter and he made his choice...
He will not start and play sparingly in first half if at all...
By the way I just got off the phone with a buddy - I got 2 tix to game 2...
HAHA
Our Thursday walk-through will be the fastest known to man!
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Post by John Knight on Oct 27, 2010 10:25:49 GMT -6
Sad! If it is a kid that has come all winter and never misses anything and you can't excuse one practice for a special occasion like that, you need to check yourself. Your priorities are really screwed up.
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Post by phantom on Oct 27, 2010 11:04:00 GMT -6
We wouldn't excuse it and would treat it according to our policy. Sorry if that makes me the Grinch.
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Post by lochness on Oct 27, 2010 11:08:44 GMT -6
An unexcused absence is an unexcused absence. We would treat it as policy dictates. I'd sympathize with the kid, and I certainly wouldn't hold it against him, but I'd stick to my guns.
Everyone knows the rules before they sign up each season. If we start making exceptions, we might as well throw the rule book out and all of the consistency and discipline that go with it.
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Post by cnunley on Oct 27, 2010 11:30:38 GMT -6
Id have to agree with most on here.
That's an unexcused absence in my eyes. Great opportunity for them, sure, but it still puts his entire team in a bind.
Stick with the policy. It will pay off later
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Post by John Knight on Oct 27, 2010 11:40:22 GMT -6
What is excused? Church? Funeral? Driver education? Sick parent?
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2010 11:47:07 GMT -6
What is excused? Church? Funeral? Driver education? Sick parent? Speaking strictly for myself - church obligation, family emergency, or illness. |
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Post by Coach Huey on Oct 27, 2010 11:47:47 GMT -6
Does missing one practice during the week mean the kid can't play? Does it mean he can't start? Does it mean he will have conditioning work to makeup? If a player that misses a practice makes up the conditioning work does he play? does he start?
We don't have "excused" or "unexcused" - you are either here or you're not. Missing one practice doesn't translate to not playing (for us)... provided the make-up work is completed on time.
Multiple absences are another category - but we are talking about one practice during the week. Hopefully, your rules/standards allow for this without painting yourself into a corner that you really don't want to be in.
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2010 11:59:08 GMT -6
Does missing one practice during the week mean the kid can't play? Does it mean he can't start? Does it mean he will have conditioning work to makeup? If a player that misses a practice makes up the conditioning work does he play? does he start? We don't have "excused" or "unexcused" - you are either here or you're not. Missing one practice doesn't translate to not playing (for us)... provided the make-up work is completed on time. Multiple absences are another category - but we are talking about one practice during the week. Hopefully, your rules/standards allow for this without painting yourself into a corner that you really don't want to be in. Good questions-points, all. We do not require "make up" for excused absences. First unexcused absence requires make-up conditioning and (in season) drop on depth chart. Second unexcused means player sits out a game. Third - well, "Three strikes and you're out." We're trying to teach Commitment, Self-Discipline, and Accountability as well as how to block off-tackle play. I won't compromise on those things. And as a result we have had very few problems with attendance over the years. |
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Post by leighty on Oct 27, 2010 12:05:39 GMT -6
Sad! If it is a kid that has come all winter and never misses anything and you can't excuse one practice for a special occasion like that, you need to check yourself. Your priorities are really screwed up. Slippery slope. |
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Post by phantom on Oct 27, 2010 12:18:23 GMT -6
What is excused? Church? Funeral? Driver education? Sick parent? College football game? Barnum & Bailey? Phish concert? Except for Drivers Ed, all that you mentioned would be excused. Not the World Series. |
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Post by coachbb on Oct 27, 2010 12:23:16 GMT -6
If the kid tells me about it ahead of time, i.e. not the day of, I would be more inclined to consider it an excused absence. As a Rangers fan, I can tell you a chance to watch a WS game live might not come around again.
As far as excused vs unexcused, just think of it like work. What would your principal or head coach allow you to miss for? Serious religious functions, family emergency, illness. We are training these kids for the real world, right?
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Post by John Knight on Oct 27, 2010 12:43:05 GMT -6
Even as a teacher, I get 3 unrestricted personal days.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 27, 2010 12:45:41 GMT -6
Funeral of a friend of the family? Uncle Great Aunt? anyone?
Any religion?
Grandma operation? Second cousin Sue's gall bladder surgery?
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Post by phantom on Oct 27, 2010 12:53:08 GMT -6
Well, how close to SF do you have to be for it to be OK? Right in the city? Contiguous locality? One hundred miles?
BTW, one absence would not necessarily impact playing time for us, either.
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Post by spartancoach on Oct 27, 2010 12:58:00 GMT -6
Around here we are getting ready for a playoff run. No one should be missing practice for anything. If there truly is a real family emergency, that's different. But other than that, there is nothing more important than practice.
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Post by pvogel on Oct 27, 2010 13:01:14 GMT -6
Funeral of a friend of the family? Uncle Great Aunt? anyone? Any religion? Grandma operation? Second cousin Sue's gall bladder surgery? certainly any religion. i dont care if they worship a captain crunch god. religion is religion. |
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Post by coachbb on Oct 27, 2010 13:04:09 GMT -6
Funeral of a friend of the family? Uncle Great Aunt? anyone? Any religion? Grandma operation? Second cousin Sue's gall bladder surgery? Obviously you can treat stuff like that on a case by case basis. But I won't tell a kid he can't attend a relative's funeral, that's a PR nightmare waiting to happen. I think we're arguing in extremes with "second cousin Sue's gallbladder surgery." |
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Oct 27, 2010 13:08:14 GMT -6
John - your words seem a little harsh but I think it is just because you are trapped in life as an Indians or Reds fan...
Rules are rules - I do not have many but if you are not at practice you do not play...
Excused absences would be you are dead or your mom is dead or someone or yourself is on their death bed. That is how we roll...
He is a captain, he knows the rules and is ok with the consequences...
This is going to help me for years to come with my program...
I do like the idea of "make-up" work... will start using that next year...
I am pretty liberal when it comes to kids and understanding how football fits in life - probably more liberal than most. However, I also feel strongly that this is why I have turned this program around.
I may not be equal but I will always be fair...
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Post by John Knight on Oct 27, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -6
My son's grandmother died this season, we missed nothing. His grandfather is on his deathbed, the kid has missed nothing, I have had to miss a practice or two. Had the Reds made the WS he would have been excused to go to one game!
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Post by leighty on Oct 27, 2010 13:51:15 GMT -6
Had the Reds made the WS he would have been excused to go to one game! Can you articulate your position with something other than "Your priorities are screwed up" or "My kid would have been excused?" |
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Post by dania on Oct 27, 2010 14:14:23 GMT -6
world series for one, is something else for someone else. exception for one is exception to all...at which point, I shouldnt have the rule.
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Post by fishon37 on Oct 27, 2010 14:46:52 GMT -6
We did not have excused or unexcused absents....it was an absence and you had to do "conditioning" to make up for what you missed.....not a punishment, a make-up...had a starter spend a week in the hospital with the flu(off-season), did 5 days of conditioning when he got back....no complaints...thats just the way it was...
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 27, 2010 15:20:11 GMT -6
We did not have excused or unexcused absents....it was an absence and you had to do "conditioning" to make up for what you missed.....not a punishment, a make-up...had a starter spend a week in the hospital with the flu(off-season), did 5 days of conditioning when he got back....no complaints...thats just the way it was... ditto here. Too many situations...even a case by case gets hairy because you set precedence. My rule is - Miss 1 practice, you have to make it up. Miss 2 practices, your playing time may be cut. Have to make up the work on Saturdays and Sundays with our Fresh coach. 1.5 hrs per miss practice. Fresh coach loves it. Now, if it's an obvious practice skip...for no reason, then I have a problem and will most likely bench the kid. In all my years, I have taken every "reason" to be just that, a reason...except once. Kid said he wanted to go to a friends birthday party. Was a "reason" but I deemed that one a poor one. |
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