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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 27, 2010 15:30:27 GMT -6
One thing you could try, if the area your in is in "World Series" mode. Move practice to the early morning before school. Just for 1 week. Then everyone can either go or watch the game on TV. Since it is rare for the Giants or Rangers fans...might be the only ones they see in their lifetime. I'm a ranger fan..but grew up in the Bay Area..dad is a giants fan.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Oct 27, 2010 19:26:29 GMT -6
If a kid is willing to live with the consequences, then by all means go.
That being said, I would be nearly irate. BFD if there is a WS game going on. There are a million other entertainment activities going on too. Lets not forget that any persons presence at a game is for entertainment purposes.
Let me close by saying "There is no such thing as right or wrong, only just and unjust. That which you can justify and that which you can not."
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Post by fballcoachg on Oct 27, 2010 19:56:07 GMT -6
I would follow our typical rules but I know as a kid, I would definitely be hard pressed to turn down some Indian's world series tickets.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 27, 2010 19:59:03 GMT -6
Sad! If it is a kid that has come all winter and never misses anything and you can't excuse one practice for a special occasion like that, you need to check yourself. Your priorities are really screwed up. How exactly is it a special occasion? People who he doesn't know personally, and with whom he has no affiliation other than geographically are playing a best of 7 baseball series that most of the entire world has access to? He doesn't play for SF. He plays for HIS team. He has an activity in which he is INVOLVED and necessary. If he is not at the WS game, no one will notice, nor care. I realize I may be in the minority here, but I guess I have never really been a "fan". Just not my personality. I was turned off by all of the "WHO DAT" craze that hit the NOLA area last year during the Saints dream season. I don't understand "fandom" and associating some type of personal pleasure with teh success of others.
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Post by tog on Oct 27, 2010 20:07:06 GMT -6
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Post by blb on Oct 27, 2010 20:12:11 GMT -6
It's like playing Golf - every shot I hit is good for someone, not necessarily me.
We all make decisions in life; some have rewards, some consequences.
Youngster has only so many HS football games to play. He has many years to attend World Series, Super Bowls, etc.
Apparently he hasn't thought about his team-teammates in this situation.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 27, 2010 20:20:17 GMT -6
It's like playing Golf - every shot I hit is good for someone, not necessarily me. We all make decisions in life; some have rewards, some consequences. Youngster has only so many HS football games to play. He has many years to attend World Series, Super Bowls, etc. Apparently he hasn't thought about his team-teammates in this situation. First time the Texas Rangers have ever been to the World Series coach. To each their own...at some point I believe you have to realize it's just kids playing football, and just role with the punches. Sure, raz 'em a bit, but to miss one practice to see a World Series game in person, I dunno...I have a son, if he and I love baseball, and the Brewers were in the series, and I scored some tickets...I'd call the HC and have a chat.
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Post by stud17 on Oct 27, 2010 20:36:03 GMT -6
Each coach has their own rules whether or not it would be excused/unexcused. You can't knock a coach for his particular rules because it's his personal program, he can make whatever rules he wants. If a coach would let a player miss practice to go to Game 1, so be it; it doesn't affect my program. If a coach punishes a student for missing practice to go to Game 1, so be it; it doesn't affect my program.
On that note, I would punish a player for missing practice to go to a WS game. To me, professional sports are entertainment only. Would you expect Tim Lincecum to miss a playoff game to watch your high school football playoff game? I wouldn't, so I wouldn't want one of my players to miss a playoff game to watch a pro baseball playoff game
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 27, 2010 21:14:33 GMT -6
Sad! If it is a kid that has come all winter and never misses anything and you can't excuse one practice for a special occasion like that, you need to check yourself. Your priorities are really screwed up. I tend to lean toward Johns line of thought on this- how many chances to attend a World series game does someone get? And if your going with your family well heck how can you punish a kid?
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Post by k on Oct 27, 2010 21:18:02 GMT -6
I tend to lean toward Johns line of thought on this- how many chances to attend a World series game does someone get? And if your going with your family well heck how can you punish a kid? Just about everyone here is a Yankee or Sox fan. They'll have more chances to see WS games than play HS football games.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 27, 2010 21:19:47 GMT -6
Sad! If it is a kid that has come all winter and never misses anything and you can't excuse one practice for a special occasion like that, you need to check yourself. Your priorities are really screwed up. I tend to lean toward Johns line of thought on this- how many chances to attend a World series game does someone get? And if your going with your family well heck how can you punish a kid? What if it was a chance to see the Russian Ballet? Or backstage passes to Jay Z concert?
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Post by phantom on Oct 27, 2010 21:21:04 GMT -6
It's like playing Golf - every shot I hit is good for someone, not necessarily me. We all make decisions in life; some have rewards, some consequences. Youngster has only so many HS football games to play. He has many years to attend World Series, Super Bowls, etc. Apparently he hasn't thought about his team-teammates in this situation. First time the Texas Rangers have ever been to the World Series coach. To each their own...at some point I believe you have to realize it's just kids playing football, and just role with the punches. Sure, raz 'em a bit, but to miss one practice to see a World Series game in person, I dunno...I have a son, if he and I love baseball, and the Brewers were in the series, and I scored some tickets...I'd call the HC and have a chat. I don't get it at all. Unlike 5085 I am a fan. Been a Packers fan for over 40 years but I've never been to a game. Obviously it's tough to get there from Virginia during football season. This year, though, Green Bay played in D.C., just three hours away. Sunday is when we have our 5:00 staff meetings, though, Should I have called in and told the HC that I couldn't make it?
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Post by ramsoc on Oct 27, 2010 22:25:27 GMT -6
One thing you could try, if the area your in is in "World Series" mode. Move practice to the early morning before school. Just for 1 week. Then everyone can either go or watch the game on TV. Since it is rare for the Giants or Rangers fans...might be the only ones they see in their lifetime. I'm a ranger fan..but grew up in the Bay Area..dad is a giants fan. So I'm supposed to start practice at 4:30 in the morning so my team full of Giants fans can watch or go to the game? That is a joke right?
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Post by John Knight on Oct 28, 2010 5:06:50 GMT -6
Hey Phantom, here is what my son and I do for Christmas, last 3 years. I played college ball with MM for a year. We are not friends but we have a mutual friend. We were Packer fans before he got there. picasaweb.google.com/bigjohn390/Packers09#Me and my son on the left, my nephew and BIL on right
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Post by blb on Oct 28, 2010 6:39:12 GMT -6
Knew there was something I liked about you, john.
I was born in Green Bay 57 years ago this December 29.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 28, 2010 6:48:50 GMT -6
I will be there for your birthday party on the 26th! blb!
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Post by gdoggwr on Oct 28, 2010 10:03:40 GMT -6
rules are rules. if you have 'em you better follow 'em.
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Post by ajreaper on Oct 28, 2010 20:18:19 GMT -6
I tend to lean toward Johns line of thought on this- how many chances to attend a World series game does someone get? And if your going with your family well heck how can you punish a kid? What if it was a chance to see the Russian Ballet? Or backstage passes to Jay Z concert? Absolutely. it's 1 kid and 1 practice- some of you have a way over inflated sense of what high school football is and is not. It's a game, a great and fine game but in the end still just a game. There are things that are literally very likely 1 shot deals in a lifetime let them experience it.
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Post by phantom on Oct 28, 2010 21:33:11 GMT -6
What if it was a chance to see the Russian Ballet? Or backstage passes to Jay Z concert? Absolutely. it's 1 kid and 1 practice- some of you have a way over inflated sense of what high school football is and is not. It's a game, a great and fine game but in the end still just a game. There are things that are literally very likely 1 shot deals in a lifetime let them experience it. But it's not a once in a lifetime thing. It's a baseball game. They'll have a World Series next year. If Texas can start getting anybody out there will be games in SF this year. Again. exactly what is the criteria for what's special enough for thos to be excused?
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 28, 2010 21:54:29 GMT -6
One thing you could try, if the area your in is in "World Series" mode. Move practice to the early morning before school. Just for 1 week. Then everyone can either go or watch the game on TV. Since it is rare for the Giants or Rangers fans...might be the only ones they see in their lifetime. I'm a ranger fan..but grew up in the Bay Area..dad is a giants fan. So I'm supposed to start practice at 4:30 in the morning so my team full of Giants fans can watch or go to the game? That is a joke right? wasn't a joke..it was a suggestion. Don't know why your so offended by it. We run 6am practices during double days. Wouldn't be that hard to run 6am practices 2 times during the week. Heck you could even turn the World Series into team building moment..have the kids over at the house and have a barbeque.
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Post by phantom on Oct 28, 2010 22:30:49 GMT -6
So I'm supposed to start practice at 4:30 in the morning so my team full of Giants fans can watch or go to the game? That is a joke right? wasn't a joke..it was a suggestion. Don't know why your so offended by it. We run 6am practices during double days. Wouldn't be that hard to run 6am practices 2 times during the week. Heck you could even turn the World Series into team building moment..have the kids over at the house and have a barbeque. Oh, it'd be a team-building moment all right. The whole team would want to kill the f----r who made them get up before the sun so that one guy could go to a baseball game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 28, 2010 22:43:45 GMT -6
What if it was a chance to see the Russian Ballet? Or backstage passes to Jay Z concert? Absolutely. it's 1 kid and 1 practice- some of you have a way over inflated sense of what high school football is and is not. It's a game, a great and fine game but in the end still just a game. There are things that are literally very likely 1 shot deals in a lifetime let them experience it. While I agree some do have an overinflated sense of H.S ball, I don't think this is an example of it. I think this is an example of a "way over inflated sense" of the importance of OTHER PEOPLE...namely athletes and sporting events. Again, I just don't see why and how someone ELSE's events...particular someone who has NO idea who you are.... should take priority over one of YOUR activities.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 28, 2010 23:32:05 GMT -6
I'm not talking about 1 player.....your missing the point. THis has nothing to do with 1 person. I'm saying a team in the area of the Giants or Rangers that are generally excited for those two teams..nevermind..you don't get it.
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Post by leighty on Oct 29, 2010 8:22:13 GMT -6
Absolutely. it's 1 kid and 1 practice- some of you have a way over inflated sense of what high school football is and is not. It's a game, a great and fine game but in the end still just a game. There are things that are literally very likely 1 shot deals in a lifetime let them experience it. And the kid wants to miss practice to go watch...a game.
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Post by dania on Oct 29, 2010 8:30:57 GMT -6
So... the commitment the kid made to the football is only good until a "percievd once in a lifetime" event comes along? The issue isnt the baseball game, but the slippery slope of letting one kid go what he percieves to be a once in a life time event. the problem with this? another percieves going to see a ballet as a once in a lifetime event. then another kid decides going to get his license is a one time event. then another kid decides that marlin manson is a one time event. then your offensive line, decides they want to go camping and roast a pig together, so they decide they have a once in a life time event.
Where does it end? pretty soon practice is only optional....and then before you know, you are losing far more games than you are winning, and then you are reduced to teaching duties.
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Post by leighty on Oct 29, 2010 8:33:17 GMT -6
Lest we forget, high school football is also a once-in-a-lifetime event...
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Post by blb on Oct 29, 2010 8:53:59 GMT -6
We tell our kids (paraphrasing Lombardi) their priorities should be 1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) Education, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-season.
Attending a World Series game does not fit into the three ahead of football, especially when you consider responsibility to teammates. It's a "Me" thing.
I do not want to have to be the morality police and make decisions on whose reason for missing is valid and whose isn't.
Excused absences are church obligations, family emergencies, and illness.
Have no patience for "Coach, I want to play football - just don't want to practice" types.
And I don't think HS football is "just a game" - it's part of the educational process. We are trying to teach Commitment, Self-Discipline, Accountability. Lot of kids don't have opportunity to learn that anywhere else.
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Post by phantom on Oct 29, 2010 9:58:11 GMT -6
I'm not talking about 1 player.....your missing the point. THis has nothing to do with 1 person. I'm saying a team in the area of the Giants or Rangers that are generally excited for those two teams..nevermind..you don't get it. So, explain it.
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Post by John Knight on Oct 29, 2010 10:37:35 GMT -6
1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) Education, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-season
In our family the Reds and Packers are #3 behind God and Football.
We are season ticket holders for the Reds although a small package and we go to at least one Packer Game in Green Bay every year. It is a family thing. My son reads the Reds update and Packer report every single morning. He knows everyones Batting average and all other important statistics. He is not a casual fan.
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Post by blb on Oct 29, 2010 10:42:05 GMT -6
1) Faith, 2) Family, 3) Education, 4) Football - no lower than #4 in-seasonIn our family the Reds and Packers are #3 behind God and Football. Bart Starr said he thought Coach Lombardi got those priorities mixed up from time to time too. And that after being around him for awhile you knew why Lombardi was a man who HAD to go to Mass every morning.
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