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Post by rocketcoach on Aug 21, 2010 20:16:11 GMT -6
What is your attendance policy?
What are the consequences for missing practice/being late?
What are your reminders, i.e. gassers, up-downs, etc?
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 21, 2010 20:50:32 GMT -6
Be there or don't play until it's mop-up time or we've gone through just about everyone else. Pretty simple stuff, no confusion.
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Post by j0hnnyrazz54 on Aug 22, 2010 6:26:33 GMT -6
Policy is be there and be on-time. Violations must be excused prior by contact from parent or pass from teacher during school. Enforcement is via a 'spin' from our spin wheel.
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Post by drk on Aug 22, 2010 11:33:02 GMT -6
Unexcused absence - first miss a half, second miss a game, third off the team
Excused absence - may still miss time due to lack of preparation.
Must have prior approval in order to be excused unless it is an emergency situation.
Never excuse - shopping, hair cut, driving hours, hunting or fishing trips, senior pictures, work, or anything else that can be planned around practce time under normal circumstances.
1st tardy is handled on a case by case basis as I see fit. Additional tardies are considered absences.
Very strict I know, but after five years, multiple kids being kicked off the team, and several attempts to have me fired..........kids don't miss practices very often.
Be firm but fair. Stick to your guns. Be consistant.
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Post by kboyd on Aug 22, 2010 19:41:10 GMT -6
Miss a practice or a class and you miss a half. Second miss is the game. Lates are 200 yards running with a stop every ten yards for a good ole burpee.
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Post by coachguy83 on Aug 24, 2010 11:32:56 GMT -6
First unexcused is a game, second is two games, third your off the team. Tardies are 200 yard bear crawl and three tardies equals an unexcused.
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Post by airman on Aug 25, 2010 13:20:56 GMT -6
if you are late to practice you and your team do conditioning. this usually takes care of trady's
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 26, 2010 9:29:20 GMT -6
wow, very tough. This all apply for your stud two-way QB / OLB week of the big rival game?
I try to keep it vague. Any rule I put out there that is hardline, i'll have to follow.
Attendance = Playtime. Don't attend, playtime gets cut. Leave it at that
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Post by blb on Aug 26, 2010 9:33:18 GMT -6
Ours is similar to drk and guy83's - three strikes and you're out.
Tough to teach and achieve Commitment, Self-Discipline, and Responsibility without Accountability.
And been my experience when you give kids a break it comes back to haunt you.
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Post by dacoordinator on Aug 26, 2010 10:11:59 GMT -6
Attendance is key to play on the team. You have to be dependable and held accountable for your actions.
If you aren't there you during game week unless its been pre-approved. If not you don' blame unless we are in bad shape health wise. Other than that.. you dont play. In off season if you dont show an effort to make it to atleast 75% of the practices. Its really no reason for you to come out. Unless again it has been discussed of known you have other priorities in place.
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Post by coachfurn on Aug 26, 2010 13:02:10 GMT -6
miss 2 practices that week..sit out game. Miss 1 practice and you owe 4 miles. Show up late.."reminders" after practice.
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Post by kboyd on Aug 26, 2010 14:47:20 GMT -6
wow, very tough. This all apply for your stud two-way QB / OLB week of the big rival game? I try to keep it vague. Any rule I put out there that is hardline, i'll have to follow. Attendance = Playtime. Don't attend, playtime gets cut. Leave it at that We've had to start our 3rd string QB before to make our point and it is a system that has worked well for us. It's scary when your best isn't in the game but I'm a big believer in teaching accountability to the kids. It can seem a bit extreme but we were having horrible attendance problems and this has really changed that for us.
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Post by drk on Aug 26, 2010 16:06:27 GMT -6
It is tough but it works. It was correctly stated that making exception usually comes back and bites you. One time last year I had to make an exception and let our stud TB play. But, this was because we literally had no one else. His loss of time was deferred until the other TB was healthy.
We don't have attendance problems very often; ie. when a kid has to miss I know about it well in advance for the most part. I'd say that in about half the cases of a kid not being at practice without prior approval his intention is to quit anyway.
The question then becomes what do I excuse/unexcuse when there is prior notice........I'm actually quite leanient due to our very small numbers; I practiced with 16 kids dressed today. We had four absent with prior approval and 5 sitting out with injuries.
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Post by dubber on Aug 26, 2010 17:12:22 GMT -6
if you are late to practice you and your team do conditioning. this usually takes care of trady's This is right on.
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Post by dacoordinator on Aug 27, 2010 7:39:53 GMT -6
wow, very tough. This all apply for your stud two-way QB / OLB week of the big rival game? I try to keep it vague. Any rule I put out there that is hardline, i'll have to follow. Attendance = Playtime. Don't attend, playtime gets cut. Leave it at that Coach you have to be this way, stud or no stud. Because just like in school. you let one get away with it, they all think they can do it. and when you lose control of your team you lose your job basically. You dont want to be put in that position as to where your team does not listen to you or respect your athourity.
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Post by coachkaseysmith on Aug 27, 2010 10:07:49 GMT -6
My first year at my school I had a frequent problem with kids ditching practice. Small town, good ol' boy system in place for years. Monday before our first game, 4 starters ditched my practice to go to a Burger King in the next town. I found out (gotta love the small town gossipers) and it was handled. In situations like this, I've found that peer motivation is the best tool in preventing future occurances. I had the kids bring me back some Burger King crowns the next day and the 4 students who missed blew the whistle for the team to do the conditioning they would have had to do. While wearing the crowns. Kids got the point that if they aren't at practice or they put themselves in front of the team, it's the team that gets hurt. All 4 kids had perfect attendance from then on, never had a problem with kids ditching after that.
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Post by kboyd on Aug 27, 2010 10:29:16 GMT -6
My first year at my school I had a frequent problem with kids ditching practice. Small town, good ol' boy system in place for years. Monday before our first game, 4 starters ditched my practice to go to a Burger King in the next town. I found out (gotta love the small town gossipers) and it was handled. In situations like this, I've found that peer motivation is the best tool in preventing future occurances. I had the kids bring me back some Burger King crowns the next day and the 4 students who missed blew the whistle for the team to do the conditioning they would have had to do. While wearing the crowns. Kids got the point that if they aren't at practice or they put themselves in front of the team, it's the team that gets hurt. All 4 kids had perfect attendance from then on, never had a problem with kids ditching after that. Perfect example of sending the true message out that absences hurt the whole team - and I love the crowns.
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Post by choprip on May 21, 2020 4:54:56 GMT -6
All of these sound like they apply to missing/being late to practice. What about other events, such as chalk talk, team lifts, etc.? And how do you handle these situations during the summer? We are not able to count summer activities as mandatory until two-a-days. but obviously you want to maintain accountability year round. I am planning on making the conditioning for being late "coach's discretion."
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 5:02:42 GMT -6
Depends on the player.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 5:07:28 GMT -6
All of these sound like they apply to missing/being late to practice. What about other events, such as chalk talk, team lifts, etc.? And how do you handle these situations during the summer? We are not able to count summer activities as mandatory until two-a-days. but obviously you want to maintain accountability year round. I am planning on making the conditioning for being late "coach's discretion." its not mandatory, but they must attend x number of work outs. And again it depends on the player.
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Post by choprip on May 21, 2020 5:17:15 GMT -6
All of these sound like they apply to missing/being late to practice. What about other events, such as chalk talk, team lifts, etc.? And how do you handle these situations during the summer? We are not able to count summer activities as mandatory until two-a-days. but obviously you want to maintain accountability year round. I am planning on making the conditioning for being late "coach's discretion." its not mandatory, but they must attend x number of work outs. And again it depends on the player. Technically, a kid could skip the whole summer and we cannot penalize them for it when the official season starts, so I like the idea of leaving the punishment at "coach's discretion" to open the door for some hellish conditioning for kids that choose to exploit that rule. Like you said, it will depend on the player, but this way that has indirectly been told to players and parents ahead of time. But honestly, we should have weeded out the kids who would do this back in the winter anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 5:23:57 GMT -6
its not mandatory, but they must attend x number of work outs. And again it depends on the player. Technically, a kid could skip the whole summer and we cannot penalize them for it when the official season starts, so I like the idea of leaving the punishment at "coach's discretion" to open the door for some hellish conditioning for kids that choose to exploit that rule. Like you said, it will depend on the player, but this way that has indirectly been told to players and parents ahead of time. But honestly, we should have weeded out the kids who would do this back in the winter anyway. they have ways to make up. And then hc turns his back. But hc has final say over who is on team. In this state, his stature, this town, not about to impose players on him. And he is still leaving asap.
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Post by coachcb on May 21, 2020 6:16:12 GMT -6
This is in a program with low numbers: around 30 kids total. Normally, I'd skip the extra condo and dish out suspensions.
1st unexcused absence: extra conditioning 2nd unexcused absence: extra conditioning and a one game suspension 3rd unexcused absence: don't come back.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 21, 2020 6:18:45 GMT -6
We cannot punish a player for not coming to anything out-of-season. Even a "Coach's Discretion" policy would not hold up because it would be pretty obvious why we were punishing the kid and the fact that baseball is a summer varsity sport in Iowa adds another layer of complication. However, and I know this is semantics, players are asked to attend a certain number of summer workouts. For seniors it's roughly 90%, juniors are roughly 80%, and then I think it drops to roughly 60% and 50% for freshmen and sophomores as the kids in those age groups are still sort of figuring out what summer workouts are all about.
Kids that don't hit their numbers have some extra conditioning when official practice starts to get them shape. However, in normal years, we have a youth camp in the spring, a community service in the spring, and other things that let kids get a head start on their numbers. Plus, if a kid comes to morning and evening weights, it counts as two days attended. A player has to almost try to NOT hit their numbers the way we have it set up, but there are always a few who don't.
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Post by wingtol on May 21, 2020 7:35:12 GMT -6
Ten year old topic coming back to life, gotta love a pandemic.
First off no way can you truly hold kid accountable for missing out of season work outs. That's a pissing contest you don't want to start most places. Best it to reward those who do show up, team gear, pick number first, etc.
Second, and coming from a small school mentality right now, it's funny how we have thread after thread about getting kids to come out and play then thread after thread about punishing them for not coming to non-mandatory stuff. We want numbers numbers number on the team but then are like "Well you didnt make 75% of off season stuff so go run 6 miles, do 100 up downs, and roll 100 yards!" Say goodbye to that kid.
If a kid is that far behind at the star of the season they will find out real fast what they missed and either make a choice themselves to pick it up or broom themselves. Just feel like we want to cut off our noses to spite our faces sometimes as coaches when it comes to kids playing as the war on football rages on...
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Post by CS on May 21, 2020 8:46:08 GMT -6
Ten year old topic coming back to life, gotta love a pandemic. First off no way can you truly hold kid accountable for missing out of season work outs. That's a pissing contest you don't want to start most places. Best it to reward those who do show up, team gear, pick number first, etc. Second, and coming from a small school mentality right now, it's funny how we have thread after thread about getting kids to come out and play then thread after thread about punishing them for not coming to non-mandatory stuff. We want numbers numbers number on the team but then are like "Well you didnt make 75% of off season stuff so go run 6 miles, do 100 up downs, and roll 100 yards!" Say goodbye to that kid. If a kid is that far behind at the star of the season they will find out real fast what they missed and either make a choice themselves to pick it up or broom themselves. Just feel like we want to cut off our noses to spite our faces sometimes as coaches when it comes to kids playing as the war on football rages on... Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine
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Post by coachcb on May 21, 2020 8:55:16 GMT -6
wow, very tough. This all apply for your stud two-way QB / OLB week of the big rival game? I try to keep it vague. Any rule I put out there that is hardline, i'll have to follow. Attendance = Playtime. Don't attend, playtime gets cut. Leave it at that
Yup.. Our all-conference DE/OT got himself kicked out of school for two days the week before a game we needed to win to qualify for the playoffs. He told a teacher to go "f- herself" on Monday and came back to school/practice on Wednesday. He did two days worth of extra conditioning and we suspended him for that game. We lost the game by six points and we could've used him but I wasn't going to compromise the environment we were trying to build by playing him.
IME, the first key to turning around a lack of discipline is to set a relatively firm attendance policy. We have the "Coaches' Discretion" clause with respect to what we call excused/unexcused so we don't paint ourselves in a corner. But, the kids know one thing for damn sure; there will be consequences if you get suspended from school.
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Post by coachcb on May 21, 2020 11:01:29 GMT -6
All of these sound like they apply to missing/being late to practice. What about other events, such as chalk talk, team lifts, etc.? And how do you handle these situations during the summer? We are not able to count summer activities as mandatory until two-a-days. but obviously you want to maintain accountability year round. I am planning on making the conditioning for being late "coach's discretion."
In years past, we've done what wingtol recommends; reward those kids that show up for summer workouts. First pick with gear, jersey numbers, etc..etc.. Last summer, we also added in extra conditioning for players that didn't make 50% of the summer workouts. We ran uptempo practices to handle conditioning last season but those kids that were in town but didn't make 50% of the summer workouts had some 40s to run after practice for the first two weeks in August.
It was certainly a punitive policy for those kids that didn't come to summer workouts and not something that I have ever done. With that being said, we didn't have a heavy summer scheduled (3 days lifting/week and a camp) and I wasn't happy with our attendance. We had the weight room packed with volleyball players and middle school football players but the high school kids were no where to be found.
So, after a week of poor attendance, I set the conditioning policy in place and we got kids into the weight room. I wasn't particularly happy with myself about it but we needed those kids in the weight room to be able to compete. We didn't have any kids quit over it but we still had about half of the team running 40s in August. Our skill players hit the weights hard and it showed. Our OL/DL didn't and it REALLY showed.
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Post by canesfan on May 21, 2020 22:46:53 GMT -6
Miss during the week for us unexcused you don’t play. That’s all we’ve ever needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 10:52:34 GMT -6
Ten year old topic coming back to life, gotta love a pandemic. First off no way can you truly hold kid accountable for missing out of season work outs. That's a pissing contest you don't want to start most places. Best it to reward those who do show up, team gear, pick number first, etc. Second, and coming from a small school mentality right now, it's funny how we have thread after thread about getting kids to come out and play then thread after thread about punishing them for not coming to non-mandatory stuff. We want numbers numbers number on the team but then are like "Well you didnt make 75% of off season stuff so go run 6 miles, do 100 up downs, and roll 100 yards!" Say goodbye to that kid. If a kid is that far behind at the star of the season they will find out real fast what they missed and either make a choice themselves to pick it up or broom themselves. Just feel like we want to cut off our noses to spite our faces sometimes as coaches when it comes to kids playing as the war on football rages on... Agreed. We enforce making up the practice that you missed but we have kids who miss all summer to go and live with their Dad in another state. Can't fault a kid if that's his only chance to see his dad all year. I don't do the case by case basis because that's opening up yourself to bull$hit you don't have time for. Hard fast rule. You miss you make it up. If you have made it up by the time its game time then you can play if we feel like you are ready to. If its the whole summer kid it would be 2 weeks of make ups mostly for conditioning purposes and he would be fine and what do you tell the kid who shows to every session, then when practice starts, the guy who didnt show. For whatever reason gets all the reps?
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