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Post by leighty on May 26, 2010 9:25:39 GMT -6
I cant stand the fact that in Remeber the Titans they run reverse on 4th and forever, to win the game. That one play ruins the whole movie. What if it's historically accurate? Some people have problems with some things in "The Blind Side," but if they'd bother to read the book, they'd find that those things actually happened.
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 9:30:00 GMT -6
I cant stand the fact that in Remeber the Titans they run reverse on 4th and forever, to win the game. That one play ruins the whole movie. What if it's historically accurate? Some people have problems with some things in "The Blind Side," but if they'd bother to read the book, they'd find that those things actually happened. I doubt that it's accurate because a lot in the movie isn't. Great movie but not that accurate.
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Post by sandstorm on May 26, 2010 9:34:26 GMT -6
There for many years, I would pride myself on digging up every football movie, good or bad. Most were bad. The only two that stand out to me, and I love is The Program, and Johnny Be Goode because of the humor. I will admit, Pachino's monlogue was chilling awesome.
However, the worse, well the movie Possums takes the cake in my opinion.
It is truly a real gem. Here is a brief summary:
Set in the real town of Nowata, Oklahoma. "Possums" tells the story of a hardware store owner (Mac Davis) who's hobby is calling the games of his old high school team on the radio. When the townfolk comes to the conclusion that the team should be disbanded because they haven't scored a point in 13 years, Davis decides to stay on the radio anyway and make up the games, having the Nowata Possums win the state championship. Unfortunately, the real state champs hear about this and challenge the Possums to an actual game. Can the real Possums overcome impossible odds? Will Mac Davis's son come back and help dear ol' dad with coaching the team? Can Mac Davis drink any more root beer without exploding? You'll just have to find out for yourself in this family-friendly film.
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Post by gunrun on May 26, 2010 9:36:29 GMT -6
Regarding Remember the Titans, TC Williams actually won the state championship game 27-0--no last second heroics needed.
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 9:39:27 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 9:43:09 GMT -6
There for many years, I would pride myself on digging up every football movie, good or bad. Most were bad. The only two that stand out to me, and I love is The Program, and Johnny Be Goode because of the humor. I will admit, Pachino's monlogue was chilling awesome. However, the worse, well the movie Possums takes the cake in my opinion. It is truly a real gem. Here is a brief summary: Set in the real town of Nowata, Oklahoma. "Possums" tells the story of a hardware store owner (Mac Davis) who's hobby is calling the games of his old high school team on the radio. When the townfolk comes to the conclusion that the team should be disbanded because they haven't scored a point in 13 years, Davis decides to stay on the radio anyway and make up the games, having the Nowata Possums win the state championship. Unfortunately, the real state champs hear about this and challenge the Possums to an actual game. Can the real Possums overcome impossible odds? Will Mac Davis's son come back and help dear ol' dad with coaching the team? Can Mac Davis drink any more root beer without exploding? You'll just have to find out for yourself in this family-friendly film. For some reason the idea of Mac Davis drinking root beer strikes me as ridiculous.
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Post by sandstorm on May 26, 2010 9:45:33 GMT -6
There for many years, I would pride myself on digging up every football movie, good or bad. Most were bad. The only two that stand out to me, and I love is The Program, and Johnny Be Goode because of the humor. I will admit, Pachino's monlogue was chilling awesome. However, the worse, well the movie Possums takes the cake in my opinion. It is truly a real gem. Here is a brief summary: Set in the real town of Nowata, Oklahoma. "Possums" tells the story of a hardware store owner (Mac Davis) who's hobby is calling the games of his old high school team on the radio. When the townfolk comes to the conclusion that the team should be disbanded because they haven't scored a point in 13 years, Davis decides to stay on the radio anyway and make up the games, having the Nowata Possums win the state championship. Unfortunately, the real state champs hear about this and challenge the Possums to an actual game. Can the real Possums overcome impossible odds? Will Mac Davis's son come back and help dear ol' dad with coaching the team? Can Mac Davis drink any more root beer without exploding? You'll just have to find out for yourself in this family-friendly film. For some reason the idea of Mac Davis drinking root beer strikes me as ridiculous. It is par for the course with this film. The best part is when the town voted to disband the team, Mac Davis, in an act of rebellion he grabs a 6 pack of rootbeer, YES rootbeer, and starts chugging it at the 50 yard line as if it is straight moonshine. Then about 3 rootbeers in he chunks a half empty bottle at the scoreboard. Hilarious.
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Post by ccscoach on May 26, 2010 9:46:38 GMT -6
I cant stand the fact that in Remeber the Titans they run reverse on 4th and forever, to win the game. That one play ruins the whole movie. Here is the scores of the 1971 TC titans. As you can see not too many close games. 1971 Titans Schedule: T.C. 19 HERNDON 0 T.C. 25 YORKTOWN 0 T.C. 26 HAYFIELD 7 T.C. 25 JEFFERSON 0 T.C. 21 MARSHALL 16 T.C. 29 GROVETON 0 T.C. 34 MADISON 0 T.C. 34 W & L 0 T.C. 27 WAKEFIELD 0 T.C. 26 IRETON ( BI ) 8 Playoffs T.C. 28 ANNANDALE 0 T.C. 36 WOODROW WILSON 14 T.C. 27 ANDREW LEWIS 0
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Post by ccscoach on May 26, 2010 9:58:37 GMT -6
Anyone ever seen the movie "Bear" were Gary Busey plays Bear Bryant
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Post by ojowens411 on May 26, 2010 10:02:38 GMT -6
Now I see why they had to "hollywood-it-up"...only looks like 2 games would have been able to provide any drama for the movie if it was more factual.
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Post by blb on May 26, 2010 10:04:48 GMT -6
Anyone ever seen the movie "Bear" were Gary Busey plays Bear Bryant It was horrible, almost sacriligeous. One of worst casting jobs in movie history.
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 10:08:14 GMT -6
I cant stand the fact that in Remeber the Titans they run reverse on 4th and forever, to win the game. That one play ruins the whole movie. Here is the scores of the 1971 TC titans. As you can see not too many close games. 1971 Titans Schedule: T.C. 19 HERNDON 0 T.C. 25 YORKTOWN 0 T.C. 26 HAYFIELD 7 T.C. 25 JEFFERSON 0 T.C. 21 MARSHALL 16 T.C. 29 GROVETON 0 T.C. 34 MADISON 0 T.C. 34 W & L 0 T.C. 27 WAKEFIELD 0 T.C. 26 IRETON ( BI ) 8 Playoffs T.C. 28 ANNANDALE 0 T.C. 36 WOODROW WILSON 14 T.C. 27 ANDREW LEWIS 0 I loved how, in the movie, they won the state championship without ever playing anybody outside of a 20 mile radius.
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Post by coachknight on May 26, 2010 10:12:05 GMT -6
How about Al Bundy (whatever his name was) in Little Giants? And Rick Moranis? Geez, they'll let anybody coach. LOL Not football, but Herb Brooks in Miracle was supposedly portrayed fairly accurately, both with his incessant drive and the distant he kept from his players. Was that a bad thing? Not sure which part you are referring to. Personally, having read a little about Brooks, I think it hurt him to keep his distance but he felt that the team needed a common enemy to bond against because of established grudges amongst the players. It was a great psyhcological move, but sad because he didn't get to share the joy with the players. I meant to point him out as a good portrayal of a coach. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 26, 2010 10:12:16 GMT -6
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Post by coachknight on May 26, 2010 10:19:46 GMT -6
Henry Winkler in Waterboy? Who doesn't keep a notebook with secret plays that work every time they're used with them on the sideline. I know I often picture the opposing coach as a little baby when I'm calling plays.
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Post by blb on May 26, 2010 10:20:11 GMT -6
Here is the scores of the 1971 TC titans. As you can see not too many close games. 1971 Titans Schedule: T.C. 19 HERNDON 0 T.C. 25 YORKTOWN 0 T.C. 26 HAYFIELD 7 T.C. 25 JEFFERSON 0 T.C. 21 MARSHALL 16 T.C. 29 GROVETON 0 T.C. 34 MADISON 0 T.C. 34 W & L 0 T.C. 27 WAKEFIELD 0 T.C. 26 IRETON ( BI ) 8 Playoffs T.C. 28 ANNANDALE 0 T.C. 36 WOODROW WILSON 14 T.C. 27 ANDREW LEWIS 0 I loved how, in the movie, they won the state championship without ever playing anybody outside of a 20 mile radius. And judging by their opponents' point totals Bill Yoast, the previous head coach (played by Will Patton in movie) as DC had a fair amount to do with team's success.
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Post by sandstorm on May 26, 2010 10:25:00 GMT -6
9 out of 13 games are shutouts...I'd agree with that.
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 10:40:50 GMT -6
Not sure which part you are referring to. Personally, having read a little about Brooks, I think it hurt him to keep his distance but he felt that the team needed a common enemy to bond against because of established grudges amongst the players. It was a great psyhcological move, but sad because he didn't get to share the joy with the players. I meant to point him out as a good portrayal of a coach. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Gotcha. My mistake. I would agree that people outside of sports would see it as a negative portrayal.
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arbond
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Post by arbond on May 26, 2010 10:45:52 GMT -6
I think the Remember the Titans coaches were both portrayed in a light that is most realistic when compared to these other movies. There were hard sides of them and light, personal moments portrayed. Real feelings, real emotions, real sacrifices in professional and personal lives.
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 11:00:25 GMT -6
Thanks Coachwoodall, Good site! I think a true story could have been just as good and more believable.
I read Grisham's Playing for Pizza.
Not much to it really. Good summer read for entertainment.
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Post by rock85 on May 26, 2010 11:51:49 GMT -6
How about Grisham's book "Bleachers?" I read it several years ago -- think I remember it as a pretty good read....
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Post by rock85 on May 26, 2010 11:53:10 GMT -6
Here is another movie -- what do you think of Ed Harris' portrayal of a coach in the movie "Radio"?
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Post by lochness on May 26, 2010 12:30:21 GMT -6
I think Matthew McConaughey's portrayal of Jack Lengyel in "We Are Marshall" is, although somewhat played-up for fun, a sympathetic and respectable portrayal of a football coach.
I also think that Gene Hackman's character in "The Replacements" is shown as a decent, intelligent guy.
Other than that, it's pretty tough.
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 12:44:10 GMT -6
or Hackman in Hoosiers
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Post by outlawjoseywales on May 26, 2010 14:33:47 GMT -6
I wish we could have a football movie that is at least 1/2 as good as Hoosers was. Of course there are NO movies made much anymore like that. I was at a leadership conference a number of years ago and the moderator was using clips of Hoosers as examples of correct leadership styles. I can't remember anything the guy said, but I remember the clips.
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Post by coachk12 on May 26, 2010 14:41:31 GMT -6
That T.C. Williams team was loaded. Didn't even come close to losing a game, if I remember correctly.
Although I did think Denzel did a relatively good job in the movie, but we're also talking about one of the greatest actors of the last 25 years.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2010 16:16:22 GMT -6
For me, I don't get as upset by the portrayal of individual coaches as much as I do the COACHING ENVIRONMENT and the PROFESSION.
For example, I am pretty sure there have been more than a handful of Bud Kilmer (Varsity Blues) type of coaches to walk the sidelines in Texas (among other places). I am QUITE certain however, that if any of them quit during a game, they would not be replaced by the injured former star quarterback.
The profession is portrayed as nothing more than special plays and half-time speeches, and that is a problem to me. A problem because PEOPLE ARE STUPID and the perception interferes with our profession.
Similarly, shows like CSI and Bones are actually causing trouble in the legal system. An atty who works in the DA's office has said it is getting harder to convict because jurors want to see CSI style evidence, that doesn't really exist.
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Post by blb on May 26, 2010 17:01:47 GMT -6
As far as "We Are Marshall" - Matthew McConaughey is nothing like Jack Lengyel whatsoever.
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 18:38:13 GMT -6
For me, I don't get as upset by the portrayal of individual coaches as much as I do the COACHING ENVIRONMENT and the PROFESSION. For example, I am pretty sure there have been more than a handful of Bud Kilmer (Varsity Blues) type of coaches to walk the sidelines in Texas (among other places). I am QUITE certain however, that if any of them quit during a game, they would not be replaced by the injured former star quarterback. The profession is portrayed as nothing more than special plays and half-time speeches, and that is a problem to me. A problem because PEOPLE ARE STUPID and the perception interferes with our profession. Similarly, shows like CSI and Bones are actually causing trouble in the legal system. An atty who works in the DA's office has said it is getting harder to convict because jurors want to see CSI style evidence, that doesn't really exist. That's what irritated me about my "Coach" example- the Bleacher Belicheks who think that they really know football because they can often guess if the next play will be a run or a pass.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2010 19:07:11 GMT -6
For me, I don't get as upset by the portrayal of individual coaches as much as I do the COACHING ENVIRONMENT and the PROFESSION. For example, I am pretty sure there have been more than a handful of Bud Kilmer (Varsity Blues) type of coaches to walk the sidelines in Texas (among other places). I am QUITE certain however, that if any of them quit during a game, they would not be replaced by the injured former star quarterback. The profession is portrayed as nothing more than special plays and half-time speeches, and that is a problem to me. A problem because PEOPLE ARE STUPID and the perception interferes with our profession. Similarly, shows like CSI and Bones are actually causing trouble in the legal system. An atty who works in the DA's office has said it is getting harder to convict because jurors want to see CSI style evidence, that doesn't really exist. That's what irritated me about my "Coach" example- the Bleacher Belicheks who think that they really know football because they can often guess if the next play will be a run or a pass. Exactly. And then this feeds into what may be the WORST notion of football--that it is a one or the other situation (if you ran the ball and it didnt work, a pass would have and vice versa.) Another common misconception that TV and MOVIE football plays into is the "ex player" makes great coach theme. In FNL this season..the alcoholic 19 year old ex FB is obviously sliding into an asst coach role. A few seasons ago, the wheelchair bound ex qb was an asst.... I do know that Michael Oher was NOT pleased with how they portrayed HIS football IQ in the movie Blindside. He stated he had been playing football since he was 8 years old... not some bumbling giant who had no concept of the game.
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