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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 4:27:00 GMT -6
There have been several threads about football on TV or in movies with the latest being the one about Leach on Friday Night Lights. I tend to hate the way that coaches are portrayed. Football coaches on TV or in movies are either lovable single-minded dolts or malignantly ruthless single-minded dolts.
Does anybody have an particular episode that you find especially offensive?idiotic?
My personal favorite was on "Coach", AKA "Moe, Larry, and Shemp Win a National Championship". In the championship game Luther, the DC with the IQ of a pack of Red Man, is injured (bad back maybe?) and has to stay in the locker room during the game. As he lays there in misery he watches the game on TV. In the waning moments the Screaming Eagles cling to a slim lead but the opponents are driving for the winning TD. Luther, however, alertly notices something that he's seen on film- the opponents' stances tip off whether they're going to run or pass. With a superhuman effort he drags himself to the field just as the bad guys line up for the last play of the game, with the ball on about the 20. He stammers out "Pass, pass" the other coaches hear it, make the appropriate call (dial it up, if you will), and the game is saved.
Who would have thought that the opponent would be throwing the ball in that situation? Thank God for Luther!
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 4:51:54 GMT -6
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Post by realdawg on May 26, 2010 5:17:06 GMT -6
How about the way that Craig T Nelson treats Tom Cruise in the 80's movie set in Western Pa? Was it All the Right Moves? I cant remember the name of the movie, but the high school was Ampipe or something like that. Also, Varsity Blues gives coaches a bad name.
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Post by trojan on May 26, 2010 5:49:02 GMT -6
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Post by gunrun on May 26, 2010 6:06:31 GMT -6
Dobber was portrayed as somewhat of a neandrathal on Coach. The guy from Blind Side was made out to be kind of an idiot, too.
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Post by ojowens411 on May 26, 2010 6:18:44 GMT -6
ok...I never really watched the show Coach...but how about Bud Kilmer in Varsity Blues?...(and what happened to his assistants after the blow-up?)
Also, he's not a bad actor, but what about Billy Bob in FNL?...but even worse was Al in Any Given Sunday?
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Post by wingtol on May 26, 2010 6:35:52 GMT -6
Has there ever been a GOOD example of coaching in a movie/tv show?  |
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Post by leighty on May 26, 2010 6:36:42 GMT -6
Didn't really have a problem with Al Pacino in "Any Given Sunday." That's probably my favorite football movie. It's also got one of the greatest monologues in movie history.
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Post by utchuckd on May 26, 2010 6:39:06 GMT -6
Not to hijack the thread, but I loved Robert Loggia in Necessary Roughness. Yeah it was a caricature of most coaches, but that halftime speech was priceless.
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Post by blb on May 26, 2010 6:50:25 GMT -6
Has there ever been a GOOD example of coaching in a movie/tv show? Yeah - "Knute Rockne, All-American" which was a highly sanitized, mythologized biopic of the great Notre Dame coach's life. |
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Post by mariner42 on May 26, 2010 7:01:54 GMT -6
Up until this season, I've actually really liked the job done by FNL the show of portraying a somewhat realistic HC. This season he's become a lot more of a screamer, which is a peeve of mine. Screaming at the kids makes you feel better, and we're all guilty of it at some point, but it doesn't really change whatever's upset you.
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Post by realdawg on May 26, 2010 7:21:08 GMT -6
I didnt think the portrayal by Billy Bob Thorton in the Movie FNL was that bad. I thought it showed the pressure placed on players and coaches in a big time program to have success. (and lots of it). Even better was the way Tim McGraw played the redneck dad, then played the millionaire dad in Blind Side.
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Post by JMC on May 26, 2010 7:25:32 GMT -6
Thought Denzel did a good job in Remember the Titans.
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Post by coach31 on May 26, 2010 7:25:33 GMT -6
I think FNL the TV show does a pretty good job. If you've ever been at a place w/ little to no support you know it changes your mood all day every day. I was there once and it makes you mad about everything.
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 7:54:49 GMT -6
I think FNL the TV show does a pretty good job. If you've ever been at a place w/ little to no support you know it changes your mood all day every day. I was there once and it makes you mad about everything. I don't think he's behaving much worse this year then ever. I haven't been a steady viewer and one reason was that he was such a holler guy. Of course I'd probably be pretty surly too if, like every coach in every movie, I only had one or two assistants and both were either morons or snakes. |
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 8:15:04 GMT -6
The football coach on Glee had to have the worse wardrobe of any TV or Movie Coach, EVER!
I loved the show coach and never let the fact that they were poorly stereotyping football bother me. It was some funny stuff!
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2010 8:16:23 GMT -6
I put this in the Leach thread, but it fits here well.
On Friday Night Lights..
--Coach tells player in office to go learn how to be a punter. Player says "coach, I don't know how to kick anything. I am more of a hands type player". Coach snarls, player says yes sir and leaves.
--Player shown practicing by himself with no instruction on how to be punter
--girl (obviously budding romantic interest) sees player and begins to teach him how to punt. She learned all about football because her Dad "was a quarterback and almost made it to the pros"
--Player immediately punts the ball better after 35 seconds of her tutelage
--In game scene, coach tells player to get "his field goal" team on the field. Bad snap results in player shoveling ball to angry/misunderstood player who scores TD on last play of game. There was no mention of the player ever practicing place kicking...just punting.
Is there any wonder why people think they can coach?
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Post by dubber on May 26, 2010 8:24:08 GMT -6
Does anyone else have a problem with the way coaches were portrayed in the Blindside?
All the SEC coaches (played by themselves) seemed to be ready to fill that stereotype on single-mindedness, car salesman persona......
And what about the high school coach?!
Would you allow a player's mother to watch practice and then come out on the field and huddle up your players without you?
I would've lost my job.......
I bet Michael Oher's high school coach was appalled that his role in Michael's life was trivialized.
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 8:38:35 GMT -6
the blindside was a big time fairy tale in my opinion. Think you could waltz into those projects in that car and sass them and just leave. Hoho!!!!! rich stuff!
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Post by coachweav88 on May 26, 2010 8:42:00 GMT -6
I hate Varsity Blues! Especially the final game. All you have to do to coach is draw up some cool plays. Forget about practicing or executing them. Just draw them up and it will work.
I also love (sarcastic) the idea of, "Coach is a moron, so we'll all band together and win doing our own thing." I have never seen that work. Even if the coach is a moron, I'd think you'd still have a better chance doing what he says than doing your own thing.
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Post by coachweav88 on May 26, 2010 8:43:39 GMT -6
the blindside was a big time fairy tale in my opinion. Think you could waltz into those projects in that car and sass them and just leave. Hoho!!!!! rich stuff! ... And wearing those outfits! |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on May 26, 2010 8:49:57 GMT -6
I don't know what the problem is with the media's idea of coaching, but they usually only have a staff with 1 or 2 guys.
Well "Wildcats" didn't have a guy, but you know what I mean.
Even a JV program has large staffs, most youth programs have more than 1 or 2. Get it right people.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
OJW
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Post by leighty on May 26, 2010 8:54:19 GMT -6
I bet Michael Oher's high school coach was appalled that his role in Michael's life was trivialized. I'll bet he doesn't care. He parlayed his relationship with Oher into an assistant coach job at Ole Miss. He was the head coach at an NAIA school for a couple of years and is currently the OC at Arkansas State. |
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Post by coachknight on May 26, 2010 8:57:44 GMT -6
How about Al Bundy (whatever his name was) in Little Giants? And Rick Moranis? Geez, they'll let anybody coach. LOL
Not football, but Herb Brooks in Miracle was supposedly portrayed fairly accurately, both with his incessant drive and the distant he kept from his players.
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Post by John Knight on May 26, 2010 9:08:28 GMT -6
Little Giants is probably the most realistic of all! OK pee wee guys, let me have it!
LOL!!!!!!!!!
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 9:12:17 GMT -6
How about Al Bundy (whatever his name was) in Little Giants? And Rick Moranis? Geez, they'll let anybody coach. LOL Not football, but Herb Brooks in Miracle was supposedly portrayed fairly accurately, both with his incessant drive and the distant he kept from his players. Was that a bad thing? |
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 9:16:25 GMT -6
I don't know what the problem is with the media's idea of coaching, but they usually only have a staff with 1 or 2 guys. Well "Wildcats" didn't have a guy, but you know what I mean. Even a JV program has large staffs, most youth programs have more than 1 or 2. Get it right people. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. OJW My theory is that very screenwriters have any athletics in their background. In fact most were either artsy types or would be considered nerds. They haven't experienced much football and what they have experienced was bad. |
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Post by phantom on May 26, 2010 9:19:25 GMT -6
YES! because he was considered un-caring, cold, heartless, and he didnt tell little johnny that failure was ok. But do you think that he was portrayed in a negative way? I don't. He did come off as cold, uncaring, and heartless because he intended to come off that way. |
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Post by blb on May 26, 2010 9:20:20 GMT -6
There will never be more assistant coaches in TV-movies about football because they'd have to pay more actors to play "minor" roles.
So the ones that are portrayed are stereotypical composites - "morons or snakes" as phantom posted - but then, so are the head coaches. And all are over-the-top. Which is why I don't watch 'em, that and every hit shown would kill a normal human being.
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Post by rolltide52 on May 26, 2010 9:23:09 GMT -6
I cant stand the fact that in Remeber the Titans they run reverse on 4th and forever, to win the game. That one play ruins the whole movie.
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