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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 7:53:08 GMT -6
Our state is voting this morning to move the GPA to play to 2.0.
I am not sure if it will pass.. but wondering what other states need to play..
Their rational is raising the bar for athletes.. but.. you can graduate high school with a .9 GPA...
Whats your thoughts on this?
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2010 8:09:36 GMT -6
There is no research that I've seen (25 years) that shows raising eligibility standards improves GPAs for students in general and athletes specifically.
All it does, besides making politicians puff out their chests, is hurt athletic programs in terms of participation. Frequently excludes those kids who need some positive association (such as extra-curriculars) with school the most.
The assumption is that kids are not doing their best academically because of athletic participation and that making it harder to be eligible will improve their grades.
That of course is completely fallacious because study after study for decades have shown that kids involved in sports do better grade-wise than when they are not and also than those who don't participate.
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Post by tim914790 on Jan 29, 2010 8:11:56 GMT -6
Maryland does it county to county. My county is 2.0 and No E's for the 4th quarter. So a kid can fail a class for the year but still be eligible as long as his 4th quarter grades meet the standard. Also he can go to summer school but only for one class.
Some other counties do it for whole year grades, bust most everyone in MD is 2.0 I think.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 29, 2010 9:19:02 GMT -6
4-4-1 In order to be eligible in grades 9-12, a student must be currently enrolled and must have
been enrolled in school the immediately preceding grading period. Furthermore, during the
preceding grading period, the student must have received passing grades in a minimum of
five (5) one-credit courses or the equivalent, each of which counts toward graduation.
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 9:32:23 GMT -6
4-4-1 In order to be eligible in grades 9-12, a student must be currently enrolled and must have been enrolled in school the immediately preceding grading period. Furthermore, during the preceding grading period, the student must have received passing grades in a minimum of five (5) one-credit courses or the equivalent, each of which counts toward graduation. So am I right in saying that this rule only requires a 1.0? Passing is a D correct? |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 29, 2010 9:35:18 GMT -6
D- is passing so it could be even lower. The rule says, Passing.
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 9:41:20 GMT -6
D- is passing so it could be even lower. The rule says, Passing. Also.. is that 5 out of 7 or 5 out of 5? If you only have to pass 5 out of 7.. then it could be a .7 |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 29, 2010 9:44:30 GMT -6
If you take 7 full credit classes, yes. We encourage our guys to take 7 but most have a study hall or PE which are not full credit courses.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Jan 29, 2010 9:45:50 GMT -6
A lot of schools around where I live have their own GPA requirements above what the state mandates...
For example our school has a 1.5 GPA requirement so straight Ds would not fly
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Post by John Knight on Jan 29, 2010 9:55:19 GMT -6
Very True PP91
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Post by struceri on Jan 29, 2010 10:03:01 GMT -6
In South Dakota you have to pass 4 classes each semester to be eligibilty
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 29, 2010 11:17:18 GMT -6
In CT you have to pass 4, at my school you can't fail a core course (a course you need to graduate) during the season or in the 4th quarter.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 29, 2010 11:24:08 GMT -6
2.0 to play, passing 5 classes.
I'm not sure how I feel about eligibility requirements, I think it keeps out some kids who really need it, but I think it also elevates the standards for some who really need that, too.
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 29, 2010 11:41:34 GMT -6
we have always been 2.0...
however recently they have been pushing the deal on being on track to graduate... they have to have a minimum number of credits for whatever grade they are in... i think it is BS!
because it punishes kids even if they have turned their lives around. So say a kid is a total POS loser... drugdeal, anything. Gets all Fs as a freshman. Then his sophomore year he decides he loves football (which happens a lot at our school). Now he cant play football this year cuz he doesnt have the grades. But he starts working hard in class, and starts lifting with the team after the season is over. Now going into his junior year he has well above a 2.0 GPA, has totally turned his life around... Doesnt cut class, no discipline problems... and now he is told he cant play football because he is down credits from that freshman year F up... I understand if a kid has like 0 credits... but come on, if a kid is doing the right things and improving dont punish him. Its horrible to punish a kid and tell him no football after he has the best academic semester of his life.
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Post by hwkfn1 on Jan 29, 2010 11:42:53 GMT -6
In Iowa, one F makes you ineligible for 30 school days, no matter the subject. We had one student who had an A or B in every class, except welding. His final project fell apart and he got an F in the class. He was ineligible for the first 5 games of the season. I had one kid last fall, who is in special ed. He passed, with Cs and Ds every clas except Spanish. He was ineligible. Since football begins so early, it works out that the kids miss over half of the season because of one F. I agree that their needs to be some standard, but schools need to be allowed to appeal for special cases.
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Post by hwkfn1 on Jan 29, 2010 11:44:08 GMT -6
Sorry, I also meant to add that what it is doing is making kids take less advanced class for fear of getting an F.
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Post by mc140 on Jan 29, 2010 12:05:21 GMT -6
In lL all you need to do is pass 4 classes. So you could have 4 D's and 3 F's and still be able to play. However lots of school districts have a much more stringent policy than this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2010 12:31:52 GMT -6
True--the IL state standards are fairly laxed, but most schools have standards far tougher. For instance, at my current program, one F means a kid is ineligible. I think there are several like that.
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Post by juice10 on Jan 29, 2010 13:36:02 GMT -6
Our district in WI is 1.667, and/or 2 F's in a quarter will sit you out as well.
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Post by airraider on Jan 29, 2010 15:28:41 GMT -6
well it passed.. up to 2.0 and went from 5 classes passed to 6.. going to be some heavy grade changes and cheating going on now.
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Post by ramsoc on Jan 29, 2010 22:10:32 GMT -6
2.0
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Post by coachdjenkins on Jan 30, 2010 5:55:23 GMT -6
Not a 2.0, in Louisiana just a "C" average and pass 6
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Post by realdawg on Jan 30, 2010 6:07:46 GMT -6
In NC gotta pass 3 out of 4 from the previous semester. LEA requirements are a little more strict but no 2.0 rule
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Post by airraider on Jan 30, 2010 15:00:16 GMT -6
Not a 2.0, in Louisiana just a "C" average and pass 6 Yea.. someone just tried explaining that to me today.. its pretty vague.. |
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Post by coachdjenkins on Jan 30, 2010 20:06:05 GMT -6
The 6 classes is to argue if a student is eligible he/she will graduate. The C average is to appease the legislature and make it a school district decision on a C average. The other plan was insane -- I am currently doing my graduate research study on this topic.
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Post by tim914790 on Jan 30, 2010 20:39:06 GMT -6
I liek th eidea of forcing a kid to join a sport if they have a sub-par GPA, it may be the lack of discipline or structure that is forcing he/she to drop. I knwo that is a slippery slope but if you have good head coaches I think the school as a whole would funtion better because more kids would be attached to something.
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Post by cnunley on Jan 30, 2010 21:13:45 GMT -6
Pass 5 out of 7.
So its another one of those 5 D's and 2 F's and you're good.
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Post by newhc on Jan 31, 2010 15:33:24 GMT -6
NC is a LEA, by LEA... LEA that I am in has the following rules:
2.0 for second semester (3rd and 4th Quarter)
85% Attendance (2nd Semester)
75% Pass Rate School Year
Must be promoted to the next grade
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Post by dc207 on Jan 31, 2010 16:06:41 GMT -6
Our area is supposedly going to a 2.0 across the board next year, which is ridiculous because you don't even need a 1.0 to graduate with a DIPLOMA. Yet you need a 2.0 to play a sport...UNLESS you are a diagnosed Special Ed student. Then you can be eligible no matter what your GPA. I would think a lawyer would have a field day with this one, but the administrators around here all seem to support it.
Fine with me. Our kids are pretty solid academically. At least two schools nearby are F-__ed though. They each would've lost all their athletes this past season.
I just think having different standards to eligibility and grauation is exclusionary and counterproductive to what we are trying to do as coaches and educators. And nobody can convince me otherwise.
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Post by robd on Jan 31, 2010 21:37:52 GMT -6
In Wisconsin, WIAA rules are 2 F's in a semester and you sit I think 15 days. After the 15 days the AD checks to see if your back up to passing, if you are, you can go back to playing. If not, you sit until your grades are above the 2 F's level. Individual school districts can have their own rules for grades and participation.
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