|
|
Post by poorbob on Feb 11, 2009 15:29:28 GMT -6
Basically, Texas Tech and Mike Leach are about to part ways because TT cannot back down on a few buyout clauses. They are more than prepared, and some would say trying, to let Leach go because they don't want a coach to be bigger than the university. Some say he might not be the coach during spring practice. He has stated numerous times publicly that he wants to be there. He (or his agents) has also, however, officially interviewed for one job in nine years and expressed interest in a few more. To me, this has always been for show so his contract would come together and has never been serious. For the one job he officially interviewed for, he took his name out of consideration. The yearly media reports at the end of the year have upset some fans as they view it as Leach wanting out. I would say that the media tries to create stories and many of these are not true at all. Leach has been there nine years and said he wants to be there for a long time.
So what do you think, as coaches, about TT trying to get rid of him a few months after posting a 11-2 record? Personally, I think it's pathetic and TT doesn't know how to deal with success.
|
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 11, 2009 15:46:51 GMT -6
Basically, Texas Tech and Mike Leach are about to part ways because TT cannot back down on a few buyout clauses. They are more than prepared, and some would say trying, to let Leach go because they don't want a coach to be bigger than the university. Some say he might not be the coach during spring practice. He has stated numerous times publicly that he wants to be there. He (or his agents) has also, however, officially interviewed for one job in nine years and expressed interest in a few more. To me, this has always been for show so his contract would come together and has never been serious. For the one job he officially interviewed for, he took his name out of consideration. The yearly media reports at the end of the year have upset some fans as they view it as Leach wanting out. I would say that the media tries to create stories and many of these are not true at all. Leach has been there nine years and said he wants to be there for a long time. So what do you think, as coaches, about TT trying to get rid of him a few months after posting a 11-2 record? Personally, I think it's pathetic and TT doesn't know how to deal with success. If this is true, they're fools! And again, assuming it's true, Leach may have flirted one too many times with other jobs. At that level of football, and the football power structure, egos get bruised to the point some are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. I have not heard any word of this though. Didn't they give him a big extension at the end of the season? They'll have to pay some big money if they let him go. He'll find another job. If he's willing to wait on the right one, he might land a big one. Tx A&M, Miami, ND, and South Carolina all will likely be open within the next year to 3 years. And that's just off the top of my head. Not sure he'd be a fit at any or all of those, just throwing out jobs. |
|
|
|
Post by dolomite on Feb 11, 2009 15:54:24 GMT -6
We have no idea what all of the variables are. There could be something very nasty under raps. There could be nothing. I don't think that a coach should get a free ticket do to wins and losses. At the end of the day TT is a reputable University that is renowned for it's education. I am sure there's more to the story than what were hearing.. JMHO..
|
|
|
|
Post by poorbob on Feb 11, 2009 16:27:28 GMT -6
There was no extension signed. This is the same contract they have been negotiating since before this last season. He has two years left on his current contract, but some say it would be better to let him go than have a lame duck coach. Also, he recently brought in the best recruiting class in Texas Tech history. Obviously I want him to stay, but I'm trying to say it like it is. I think the university has an inferiority complex and will never handle success well.
|
|
|
|
Post by dolomite on Feb 11, 2009 16:59:25 GMT -6
some would say trying, to let Leach go because they don't want a coach to be bigger than the university. I disagree with that statement. They are the same school who hired Bobby Knight right? He was bigger than the whole state of Indiana, let alone Texas Tech University. Damn I was just gonna post that... Swear!!!!!!! |
|
|
|
Post by poorbob on Feb 11, 2009 17:20:38 GMT -6
Bob Knight was a personal friend of the AD. Mike Leach is sort of on bad terms with him. Bob Knight also earned a lot of his income through outside means. Mike Leach hardly earns any, forcing TT to pay the rest. These are the primary differences between the two situations.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 18:00:31 GMT -6
If that's true, that would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard...Bigger that Texas tech..who te hell ever heard of that school before Leach got there.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 18:00:32 GMT -6
And who the hell would EVER want to work there after that Bull$hit
|
|
|
|
Post by spreadattack on Feb 11, 2009 18:52:54 GMT -6
The negotiating problem for Leach is where does he go? My guess on these clauses is that they don't want him flirting again next year. He says he needs flexibility (likely), they say, well where would you be going? And there's something to be said for that. Unless he sits out a year not sure what leverage he has. I'm sure they want to put in a big buyout for whatever school might want him down the line and try to restrict his contact with them.
Leach suffers from having both a wandering eye and, apparently, being an awkward interview, at least enough to scare some other ADs off. But who knows. Doesn't sound overall fair to me but I can see it objectively from a negotiating standpoint.
|
|
|
|
Post by poorbob on Feb 11, 2009 19:03:26 GMT -6
Well, the best recruiter and a great assistant left today for the same position at Arizona. He was the RB's coach and brought in some great prospects lately. So, it looks like to me they told everyone Leach wont be there next year and all the assistants are jumping ship. I feel sad for Leach and all the players that went there specifically to be in that system. Stupid pissing contest.
|
|
|
|
Post by airman on Feb 11, 2009 19:12:40 GMT -6
leach should man up and fulfill his contract. If he does not want to do this he should resign from his position and move on.
I like mike leach but I have no time for people who sign contracts in good faith and then when they do not get what they want, they act like children.
|
|
|
|
Post by spreadattack on Feb 11, 2009 20:10:47 GMT -6
A contract is neither a moral nor religious pact; it is an agreement among regular people, usually about money. And it should be treated (and regarded) as such.
|
|
|
|
Post by olinecoach61 on Feb 12, 2009 8:06:33 GMT -6
Bottom line, he has made TT a player on the national stage. That is not an easy thing to do. Pay the man.
|
|
|
|
Post by fatkicker on Feb 12, 2009 8:21:11 GMT -6
well you know.....leach is like the ham.....and tech, well, they are the eggs.......
|
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 12, 2009 8:36:33 GMT -6
A contract is neither a moral nor religious pact; it is an agreement among regular people, usually about money. And it should be treated (and regarded) as such. Yep! And contracts always contemplate "the divorce" and set the rules and numbers for it. Some folks confuse contracts with handshake moral agreements. All contracts leave an out for both sides. |
|
|
|
Post by spreadattack on Feb 12, 2009 9:15:42 GMT -6
A contract is neither a moral nor religious pact; it is an agreement among regular people, usually about money. And it should be treated (and regarded) as such. Yep! And contracts always contemplate "the divorce" and set the rules and numbers for it. Some folks confuse contracts with handshake moral agreements. All contracts leave an out for both sides. right, if a contact says that the Coach must pay $3m if he leaves early, that is the only significance of leaving, it is that someone must pay them $3m. It's not about commitment, or morality, or ethics; that's how much they value him quitting. If they have some other strings attached, then fine. Most employment contracts are at will, they use these lengthy contracts in football as protection for both coach and school. If a coach does well they want to get a buyout, if he does poorly the coach wants some protection in case they want to fire him. It works for both sides. Like I said, if you work for GE or a law firm or most places you probably can be fired or quit on a whim. |
|
|
|
Post by warrior53 on Feb 12, 2009 11:05:20 GMT -6
If that's true, that would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard...Bigger that Texas tech..who te hell ever heard of that school before Leach got there. You know, I was thinking the same thing. Before BK or Leach who in the sports world even knew about TT? BUT...I think TT's admin needs to get over themselves a little bit here. Keep it in reality boys, TT is not, nor ever will be the #1 college football team in Texas, that is and always will be the University of Texas. TT will not even be the #2 team in Texas, that is and always has been Oklahoma. (I know OU is not in Texas...that is sarcasm...please try to keep up). Permian is bigger than TT in the football world for goodness sake. It used to be that Permian football was bigger, but Leach has built quite a following in the state. People love him and the program. But you are dead on that it will never be UT or OU. |
|
|
|
Post by airman on Feb 12, 2009 17:48:23 GMT -6
say I sign a 5 year deal to play m e3 million a season. now after 3 years I have turned the program around adn we are a player on the national level.
now I want a contract extension(which is what mike leach wants) and the university does not want to give me one for various reason. heck it could be the economy sucks right now and they do not want to be Notre Dame who is stuck with Charlie Wiess lame duck coach who they cannot afford to buy out.
I have two options. I can finish my contract and move on or I can resign my position and look for work elsewhere.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 18:00:46 GMT -6
leach should man up and fulfill his contract. If he does not want to do this he should resign from his position and move on. I like mike leach but I have no time for people who sign contracts in good faith and then when they do not get what they want, they act like children. See I disagree with that...these schools will drop a coach that doesn't win without batting an eye. They don't honor those contracts either. Again before Leach the TT program was hardly ever heard of. I have no poble with any coach looking at other programs, while employed at a school. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 18:06:11 GMT -6
say I sign a 5 year deal to play m e3 million a season. now after 3 years I have turned the program around adn we are a player on the national level. now I want a contract extension(which is what mike leach wants) and the university does not want to give me one for various reason. heck it could be the economy sucks right now and they do not want to be Notre Dame who is stuck with Charlie Wiess lame duck coach who they cannot afford to buy out. I have two options. I can finish my contract and move on or I can resign my position and look for work elsewhere. So whats the difference if he looks around before he resigns. Or there's option 3, see who will offer you what you wan't explain to the school you now work for that another school is offering you what they wont..ask do they have an interest in matching, or exceeding the other offer, and decide according to their answer. |
|
|
|
Post by airman on Feb 12, 2009 18:49:04 GMT -6
leach should man up and fulfill his contract. If he does not want to do this he should resign from his position and move on. I like mike leach but I have no time for people who sign contracts in good faith and then when they do not get what they want, they act like children. See I disagree with that...these schools will drop a coach that doesn't win without batting an eye. They don't honor those contracts either. Again before Leach the TT program was hardly ever heard of. I have no poble with any coach looking at other programs, while employed at a school. yes a school will drop coaches fast. however the coach walks away with compensation. Most coaches get their full contracts when they are fired. This is why notre dame cannot fire chalie. they would owe a ton of money. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 19:24:12 GMT -6
I've never heard of a coach being compensated by a school for leaving, that doesn't make sense and I'm sure they get money back if the coach opts out of a contract.
And as for ND, they are holding onto Weiss because it would cost too much to get rid of him...Ok so who suffers now, his team, the school, ND fans, why...because ND doesn't want to spend the money to get rid of a dud...so ND says screw everyone else getting rid of him is expensive. School doesn't look that good in this situation
|
|
|
|
Post by airman on Feb 12, 2009 19:44:47 GMT -6
there are people at ND who want to get rid of charle but ND cannot afford it. THey bought ty willingham off when they fired him.
|
|
|
|
Post by Coach Huey on Feb 12, 2009 20:00:18 GMT -6
how much of the media's "news reports" have driven the perception that leach is "looking"?
man has a contract ... in it, it has guidelines if he resigns early. also has guidelines if he is terminated early.
university tendered an extension with different guidelines than on current contract. coach does not agree to those terms. university does not agree to coach's terms on what the guidelines should be.
coach does not sign extension because he does not agree with the contract. wants to stay but not under currently proposed guidelines. university wants him to stay, but under their new guidelines.
where is the problem? this happens all the time. even in high school...
"coach, we want you to stay but you will need to pick up an extra class, bringing your total to 6"
coach doesn't want to leave but doesn't want to teach 6 classes a day ... he tries to negotiate other things so he can stay. school is doing what it needs and won't budge.
a decision to be made...
where is the problem?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 21:18:36 GMT -6
there are people at ND who want to get rid of charle but ND cannot afford it. THey bought ty willingham off when they fired him. Oh i'm sure there is, but my point is that the universities aren't free of blame n these matters. I can't really blame a coach for looking |
|
|
|
Post by coryell2009 on Feb 13, 2009 10:54:38 GMT -6
If that's true, that would be the stupidest thing I've ever heard...Bigger that Texas tech..who te hell ever heard of that school before Leach got there. Actually I did. I went to Texas Tech after graduating from Coach Jones at Kimball and went there because of Spike Dykes. So don't paint everyone with that brush.....Plenty of people knew of Texas Tech before and plenty of people in Texas will know about Texas Tech after he leaves. I love what the man has done for Texas Tech football, and now that we are on the map, I think we should do everything in our power to keep him, but don't discredit the program if they can't keep him. Sorry but it's a rant of a football alumni..... |
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 11:05:01 GMT -6
Yep! And contracts always contemplate "the divorce" and set the rules and numbers for it. Some folks confuse contracts with handshake moral agreements. All contracts leave an out for both sides. right, if a contact says that the Coach must pay $3m if he leaves early, that is the only significance of leaving, it is that someone must pay them $3m. It's not about commitment, or morality, or ethics; that's how much they value him quitting. If they have some other strings attached, then fine. Most employment contracts are at will, they use these lengthy contracts in football as protection for both coach and school. If a coach does well they want to get a buyout, if he does poorly the coach wants some protection in case they want to fire him. It works for both sides. Like I said, if you work for GE or a law firm or most places you probably can be fired or quit on a whim. It's also why you almost never see a coach coach to the end of the contract. When the contract is up, neither side enjoys the protections, and all bets are off...usually neither side lets it come to that...they either get fired and get paid, leave and have the buyout paid by the new job, or renegotiate and extend prior to the end. |
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 11:09:39 GMT -6
leach should man up and fulfill his contract. If he does not want to do this he should resign from his position and move on. I like mike leach but I have no time for people who sign contracts in good faith and then when they do not get what they want, they act like children. See I disagree with that...these schools will drop a coach that doesn't win without batting an eye. They don't honor those contracts either. Again before Leach the TT program was hardly ever heard of. I have no poble with any coach looking at other programs, while employed at a school. They do honor the contracts. If they fire the coach, they pay the contracted buyout. If the coach takes a new job, he or the new job pays the buyout...it's all part of the contract. In legal terms it's call "liquidated damages". It's damages to the aggrieved party that are spelled out within the agreement. |
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 11:11:37 GMT -6
I've never heard of a coach being compensated by a school for leaving, that doesn't make sense and I'm sure they get money back if the coach opts out of a contract. Tuberville was given $5.2 Million when he "resigned" this last year. It's all negotiation. The parties to a contract can change them as they please as long as they have a meeting of the minds. |
|
|
|
Post by Coach JR on Feb 13, 2009 11:18:33 GMT -6
say I sign a 5 year deal to play m e3 million a season. now after 3 years I have turned the program around adn we are a player on the national level. now I want a contract extension(which is what mike leach wants) and the university does not want to give me one for various reason. heck it could be the economy sucks right now and they do not want to be Notre Dame who is stuck with Charlie Wiess lame duck coach who they cannot afford to buy out. I have two options. I can finish my contract and move on or I can resign my position and look for work elsewhere. If you had a job like that, you'd have an agent too...he'd never let you have any success and let your contract lapse...you'd get the new deal prior to the end, or you'd be looking to improve your situation elsehwere. The school would have to decide how much your worth to them. Some schools can't afford to keep good coaches around, and most coaches don't feel sorry for them and stay for less money than they can make elsehwere, usually. If you're coaching at Rhode Island School for the Deaf and Blind and making $150K a year, and you've made a name for yourself somehow, and Big BCS U comes a calling in a Brinks Truck...well I know how most people are. Most coaches are people as far as I know. I know there are some great coaches at smaller schools, but even they get raises and new contracts now and again when they have success. It's the business that big time college and pro coaching has become. |
|
