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Post by optionguy on Feb 3, 2009 18:57:51 GMT -6
Not a teacher so please forgive my ignorance, but what is so terrible about "being written up"? What goes on in this process? Is the entire situation detailed in the write up? If so, this could actually be construed as a positive when viewed by a better administrative group in the future, couldn't it? Is being written up like check marks next to your name on the blackboard, but for big boys and girls? Are you allowed to respond to the allegations/charges/write up, and is that also considered part of your file? I agree with the others who said if the kid finished, but is not playing next year, come on in. This is not "quitting" in the negative sense of the word in my mind. This is not that different than giving your 2-weeks notice. If he bailed mid-season, then I would have to be "written up" because he won't be at the banquet. "Being written up" just doesn't sound like such a horrible consequence to me, I guess. Oh, and in regard to, "Do the right thing... no matter what??", that should be the goal always. Isn't this what we ask of our players? A write-up is a formal, written reprimand for violating established policy/law/insubordination.
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Post by rip60zgo on Feb 3, 2009 20:46:40 GMT -6
Not a teacher so please forgive my ignorance, but what is so terrible about "being written up"? What goes on in this process? Is the entire situation detailed in the write up? If so, this could actually be construed as a positive when viewed by a better administrative group in the future, couldn't it? Is being written up like check marks next to your name on the blackboard, but for big boys and girls? Are you allowed to respond to the allegations/charges/write up, and is that also considered part of your file? I agree with the others who said if the kid finished, but is not playing next year, come on in. This is not "quitting" in the negative sense of the word in my mind. This is not that different than giving your 2-weeks notice. If he bailed mid-season, then I would have to be "written up" because he won't be at the banquet. "Being written up" just doesn't sound like such a horrible consequence to me, I guess. Oh, and in regard to, "Do the right thing... no matter what??", that should be the goal always. Isn't this what we ask of our players? A write-up is a formal, written reprimand for violating established policy/law/insubordination. Coach- Understood, but what are the repercussions of this? Is there any long-term action? Is it basically a speeding ticket? Pay it and move on? Why is this something to be afraid of?
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 3, 2009 20:49:27 GMT -6
It can follow you around.... I know teachers and coaches who lost out on jobs or interviews because of their "file"....
Usually it is the first step in a series of documentations that will lead to your removal as teacher or coach... Not a good thing.
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Post by k on Feb 3, 2009 21:10:37 GMT -6
I have to ditto up on a couple things people have already said.
1) Kid finished the season he is a part of the team till after the banquet is over and he should be treated as such and respected for coming and telling you to your face what his plans were that takes balls.
2) I'd dig my heals in too if #1 wasn't the case but I'd also dig my heals in against my head coach if he tried to ban the kid in #1 from coming.
3) To the kid who stuck it out but wasn't coming back the next year I'd also say something like "You know Jimmy didn't play a ton of Varsity football as a junior this year and I know he really expected to play and didn't get play time but he was a very important cog both at the JV level and making us better on the Varsity level. We were a better team for having him and we are going to miss him next year on a number of levels. I want to wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors."
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Post by airraider on Feb 4, 2009 7:59:11 GMT -6
I dont know if this matters much..
But the kid wasnt some bench warmer.. he was the starting Center.. Kicker.. and DT.. very small 1A school.. 3rd smallest in state.. so they do not have many players..
So when a kid like this quits, the ripples are felt across the board..
On another page.. what if he didnt just quit? What if he was arrested for drug possession.. or cussed out the head coach?
Would either of those make a difference if they happened after the season?
Neither did.. but just trying to see what is what.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 4, 2009 8:13:51 GMT -6
I personally would not care if a kid says "I wont be playing next year" as long as he finished the season he can come to the banquet. sometimes kids hate losing so much they in turn hate playing. i see it now with our basketball team losing games. kids are already saying they "aint playin next year". losing hurts. Losing a kid who is a star doesnt make it any different to me, not at all. all you can do as a coach is make your program attractive but you cant lower the bar for anyone. NO player bigger than the team, no team bigger than the program.
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Post by casec11 on Feb 4, 2009 8:17:12 GMT -6
So did he quit in season, or after all the games have been played? I would eco K's opinion... If it was after the season was over he deserves recognition and a thank you, just like the rest. Also if it is after the season there may be other reasons (such as family) for the kid to quit.. Starting center Kicker and DT usually don't just say im done with football without there being a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 19:12:12 GMT -6
Nothing's wrong with it if it has a principle (not principal) behind it. This just sounds like a stubborn, individual feeling slighted because the administration chose not to back him, because HE thinks a kid quit on him.
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Post by airraider on Feb 5, 2009 20:28:31 GMT -6
Nothing's wrong with it if it has a principle (not principal) behind it. This just sounds like a stubborn, individual feeling slighted because the administration chose not to back him, because HE thinks a kid quit on him. There is NO doubt that he is stubborn.. no doubt at all.. And I feel that it probably has a lot more to do with the "I will show you.." then the kid actually being there..
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Post by coachwilley on Feb 5, 2009 21:20:27 GMT -6
I agree, we ask our kids to finish what they start. If he finishes the season in good standing then he should get recognized and be able to participate in the banquet.
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Post by phantom on Feb 5, 2009 22:29:36 GMT -6
Nothing's wrong with it if it has a principle (not principal) behind it. This just sounds like a stubborn, individual feeling slighted because the administration chose not to back him, because HE thinks a kid quit on him. There is NO doubt that he is stubborn.. no doubt at all.. And I feel that it probably has a lot more to do with the "I will show you.." then the kid actually being there.. Have you told him that? If the kid finished the season in good standing then he deserves to go to the banquet. The title of the thread is "Do the right thing...." but I don't think that the coach is doing the right thing here.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 6, 2009 9:36:10 GMT -6
Wow...
If that was the question...
"Should a kid be allowed to attend a banquet at the end of the season, when he does not intend on playing again the following year?"
Huh? Of course he should. Shame on you, for being mad at the kid for being honest and upfront about not wanting to committ to the most demanding of games and disciplines.
How could the question of punishing a kid, for having the descency and integrity to be forthright about his position, be a thought... unless, his not wanting to return speaks to a larger, already perceived problem / short coming, that the coach is the blame?
The coach obviously realizes, the fact that he lost this stud player, is a reflection of his poor leadership and program direction, and instead of wanting to improve the program, he'd rather punish the kid that's highlighting the fact that something's wrong with the coaches leadership and the direction of the program.
If your coach wasn't thinking of punishing, wished the kid well, then I'd believe he was comfortable with the direction of the program, and it was just the kid, not wanting to play anymore... But this need to punish a kid, for doing the right thing, finishing the season he started, and not starting one he doesn't believe he could finish, being punished, simply because it reflects poorly on the program and the coach... means the coach understands just how poorly his program is being ran... and is mad at the kid for pointing it out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 21:17:35 GMT -6
Nothing's wrong with it if it has a principle (not principal) behind it. This just sounds like a stubborn, individual feeling slighted because the administration chose not to back him, because HE thinks a kid quit on him. There is NO doubt that he is stubborn.. no doubt at all.. And I feel that it probably has a lot more to do with the "I will show you.." then the kid actually being there.. Then the problem here coach is you have an adult acting like an adolescent, the kid has an excuse to do so ...he is one. Adults standing behind a principle is one thing, having a tantrum is another Also spite is a dangerous thing especially when it's inthe hands of an adult that reacts like a scolded child when tested regardless of how good he is.
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Post by airraider on Feb 8, 2009 21:33:51 GMT -6
Wow... If that was the question... "Should a kid be allowed to attend a banquet at the end of the season, when he does not intend on playing again the following year?"Huh? Of course he should. Shame on you, for being mad at the kid for being honest and upfront about not wanting to committ to the most demanding of games and disciplines. How could the question of punishing a kid, for having the descency and integrity to be forthright about his position, be a thought... unless, his not wanting to return speaks to a larger, already perceived problem / short coming, that the coach is the blame? The coach obviously realizes, the fact that he lost this stud player, is a reflection of his poor leadership and program direction, and instead of wanting to improve the program, he'd rather punish the kid that's highlighting the fact that something's wrong with the coaches leadership and the direction of the program. If your coach wasn't thinking of punishing, wished the kid well, then I'd believe he was comfortable with the direction of the program, and it was just the kid, not wanting to play anymore... But this need to punish a kid, for doing the right thing, finishing the season he started, and not starting one he doesn't believe he could finish, being punished, simply because it reflects poorly on the program and the coach... means the coach understands just how poorly his program is being ran... and is mad at the kid for pointing it out. He is not mad at the kid.. its a simple question of what is best for the team.. the kid quit on his teammates and the coach.. as well as several other players do not think he deserves to be recognized as part of the team.. Your comments about the guy having poor leadership are totally off base and borderline assanine.. The kid quit because he did not want to work hard in the off season.. he admitted that.. The question at hand is NOT whether or not he SHOULD or SHOULDT NOT have let the kid go.. its whether or not he should have skipped the banquet like he did based on his principal not having his back.. I also would not have wanted the kid to attend.. but.. where I differ from my buddy.. I would not have ruined the banquet by not attending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2009 21:44:55 GMT -6
I think I misinterpreted the first post as well. There are many parts to this. One, if the kid finished the season, he should be honored at the banquet and, if the other kids feel the "quitter" doesn't deserve that, it needs to be explained to them. Just because many of them feel that way doesn't mean they are right or even entitled to feel that way. And, the HC needs to be the one who sets the record straight. A kid who completes the athletic season, but isn't invited to the banquet is a concept that doesn't even make sense to me. I thought the original question was the kid quit during the season; then he shouldn't have been honored.
In response the "real" question, no the coach shouldn't have skipped the banquet based on the principal not having his back. Quite frankly, the principal shouldn't have had his back on this one.
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Post by phantom on Feb 8, 2009 22:06:56 GMT -6
I think I misinterpreted the first post as well. There are many parts to this. One, if the kid finished the season, he should be honored at the banquet and, if the other kids feel the "quitter" doesn't deserve that, it needs to be explained to them. Just because many of them feel that way doesn't mean they are right or even entitled to feel that way. And, the HC needs to be the one who sets the record straight. A kid who completes the athletic season, but isn't invited to the banquet is a concept that doesn't even make sense to me. I thought the original question was the kid quit during the season; then he shouldn't have been honored. In response the "real" question, no the coach shouldn't have skipped the banquet based on the principal not having his back. Quite frankly, the principal shouldn't have had his back on this one. This is the way that I feel about it. When you're in the wrong- and I do believe that the coach was completely wrong here- you should not expect to be backed.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 9, 2009 9:54:43 GMT -6
Wow... If that was the question... "Should a kid be allowed to attend a banquet at the end of the season, when he does not intend on playing again the following year?"Huh? Of course he should. Shame on you, for being mad at the kid for being honest and upfront about not wanting to committ to the most demanding of games and disciplines. How could the question of punishing a kid, for having the descency and integrity to be forthright about his position, be a thought... unless, his not wanting to return speaks to a larger, already perceived problem / short coming, that the coach is the blame? The coach obviously realizes, the fact that he lost this stud player, is a reflection of his poor leadership and program direction, and instead of wanting to improve the program, he'd rather punish the kid that's highlighting the fact that something's wrong with the coaches leadership and the direction of the program. If your coach wasn't thinking of punishing, wished the kid well, then I'd believe he was comfortable with the direction of the program, and it was just the kid, not wanting to play anymore... But this need to punish a kid, for doing the right thing, finishing the season he started, and not starting one he doesn't believe he could finish, being punished, simply because it reflects poorly on the program and the coach... means the coach understands just how poorly his program is being ran... and is mad at the kid for pointing it out. He is not mad at the kid.. its a simple question of what is best for the team.. the kid quit on his teammates and the coach.. as well as several other players do not think he deserves to be recognized as part of the team.. Your comments about the guy having poor leadership are totally off base and borderline assanine.. The kid quit because he did not want to work hard in the off season.. he admitted that.. The question at hand is NOT whether or not he SHOULD or SHOULDT NOT have let the kid go.. its whether or not he should have skipped the banquet like he did based on his principal not having his back.. I also would not have wanted the kid to attend.. but.. where I differ from my buddy.. I would not have ruined the banquet by not attending. Wow! My bad coach... when you said "your friend"... I really thought you meant your friend... I didn't think it was code for "you". My apologies... But hey... don't ask questions, you really don't want to hear the answers to... ;D
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Post by airraider on Feb 9, 2009 12:11:34 GMT -6
He is not mad at the kid.. its a simple question of what is best for the team.. the kid quit on his teammates and the coach.. as well as several other players do not think he deserves to be recognized as part of the team.. Your comments about the guy having poor leadership are totally off base and borderline assanine.. The kid quit because he did not want to work hard in the off season.. he admitted that.. The question at hand is NOT whether or not he SHOULD or SHOULDT NOT have let the kid go.. its whether or not he should have skipped the banquet like he did based on his principal not having his back.. I also would not have wanted the kid to attend.. but.. where I differ from my buddy.. I would not have ruined the banquet by not attending. Wow! My bad coach... when you said "your friend"... I really thought you meant your friend... I didn't think it was code for "you". My apologies... But hey... don't ask questions, you really don't want to hear the answers to... ;D I think it clearly states at the end of my last post that I personally would have went to the banquet. My friend did not.. I dont agree with that.. I do agree that maybe it would not be in the best interest of the team aspect for the kid to join the team at the banquet.. Others dont agree with that.. and that is fine.. we are all entitled to that.. But for your to question this guys leadership abilities and program direction is completely ignorant.. because YOU do not know anything about it.. You cannot make those judgements based on one single situation.. Nevermind the fact that he puts together a track team last year with 30+ kids and finishes 2nd in district when in the years before they never had more than 5 boys on the team and never scored more than 20 points at ANY meet. I think this guy is doing a great job in his program.. My general question had to do with sticking to your guns no matter what.. who cares if what is right is right to us.. it was right to him.. and he stuck to it.. but the question is.. if something is right in your mind.. just how far would you go to prove/make your point valid? My friend refused to take part in something that "HE" saw as wrong.. he did not attend the banquet.. I may have hated being there.. but I would have went.. What would the rest of you do? THAT was the point of this post.. not to bash some guy based on what his views are.. and to degrade his abilities as if you know him and his abilities personally.
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Post by phantom on Feb 9, 2009 12:30:17 GMT -6
If you're going to "stick to your guns" you have to be willing to take the consequences. In this case that includes a possible disciplinary writeup. Well, other people-the principal, in this case- have guns to stick to, too.
Along with the question, "Should I do what I think is right?" comes the question, "Am I right?". I'm sorry if you think that we're bashing your buddy but you can't separate those questions.
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Post by coachwilley on Feb 9, 2009 12:59:42 GMT -6
A good buddy of mine.. one who I used to coach for.. is in a situation that I would like your thoughts on.. He has had a great relationship with everyone, especially the principal.. this is his second year at the school.. He has a kid quit on him at the end of the season.. Said basically that he wants to play.. and would if he didn't have to do all the off season stuff.. whatever.. Well.. time for the football banquet to come around.. and his mom wants him to be able to go to it and be involved. Well my buddy says no way.. the kid cannot go.. Doesn't feel it would be the best thing for the team for someone who quits to be recognized as apart of the team. Well.. the principal gets involved and says the kid has to go.. So my buddy says that is fine.. and tonight as the banquet is going on.. he will be sitting at home.. The principal said he is going to have to write him up for it.. and my buddy said.. thats fine.. Several players also said they would not attend if the kid in question was allowed to go.. What are your thoughts on this? I have mixed feelings.. but just wanted to see how others viewed this. I don't know if the posters were meaning to bash your friend, I think they were giving their thoughts on this like you asked for. The fact that he skipped the banquet should be an action that he could be "judged" for since that was one of the pieces of the puzzle that you wanted input on. He could be (probably is) a great coach like you allude to in your latter post. Regarding skipping the banquet and allowing other kids to skip it...what about his responsibility to the kids that didn't quit after the season? Don't they (and their parents) deserve the end of season recognition that they earned? What's best for the team as far as that goes? Obviously he's doing what he thinks is best for the team, and the principal is doing what he thinks is right. Is the coach setting a bad example about following your bosses orders? What if a player disagrees with the coach in the future about what he thinks is best for the team? Should he boycott in the future or should he approach the coach, ere his opinion and then follow what the coach thinks is best for the team? Not a slam at all, just some of my thoughts on the subject.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2009 13:20:59 GMT -6
Along with the question, "Should I do what I think is right?" comes the question, "Am I right?". I'm sorry if you think that we're bashing your buddy but you can't separate those questions. I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Keep in mind Air, while you are defending your buddy, YOU are ALSO looking to "quit football" at your school after the season too. Just another perspective.
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Post by airraider on Feb 9, 2009 15:08:07 GMT -6
I dont think everyone is bashing him.. There are several people on here who have the same outlook on it that I do..
But Khalfie insinuated things that are simply not true..
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Post by airraider on Feb 9, 2009 15:09:39 GMT -6
Along with the question, "Should I do what I think is right?" comes the question, "Am I right?". I'm sorry if you think that we're bashing your buddy but you can't separate those questions. I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Keep in mind Air, while you are defending your buddy, YOU are ALSO looking to "quit football" at your school after the season too. Just another perspective. You are right.. I am looking into other possibilities.. but.. if I leave now.. and when the school sports banquet comes around in May.. some people would probably be offended if I decided to show up. And also keep in mind.. I am not defending my buddy.. other than on the accusation that he has poor leadership skills. I think he was WRONG for not going to the banquet. I just wanted to see if others shared that feeling.. whether or not he was wrong in making a fuss about the kid not being there is a different topic.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2009 16:07:27 GMT -6
Great point. I guess my response would be that when you take a head coaching role, the idea is that it is for more than one year. So, a coach with only a year or two into it, leaving because they "want" to leave is different than a kid. But you still make a valid point
I am all for sticking up for what you believe in, but as phantom said, what you believe in has to have some semblance of being "right"
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Post by tye2021 on Feb 9, 2009 16:58:20 GMT -6
IMO, the coach is absolutely wrong in this situation. The kid should be allowed to go to a POST season banquet for a season he COMPLETED. Its not a PRE-season banquet its a POST-season banquet. He is also wrong for not attending the banquet because if nothing else he OWES it to the rest of the kids in that program. If you give johnny a trophy or certificate for the 2008 football season you also owe Jason a trophy or certificate for the 2008 season even if he isn't returning for the 2009 season. He put in the work during the season he deserves to be recognized for it along with his peers.
And as some have pointed out before, this kid told his coach at the end of the season that he will not be returning next year. That is no different than you handing in your 2 weeks notice. Should yor employer treat you like Sh-- for the next two weeks because you are leaving? Should your players acknowledge you when they see you in the halls considering you , (as he beleives it) "quit" on them?
If you consider yourself any kind of role model for the kids in your program, you should be MAN enough to except that fact that this kid was MAN enough to tell you personally that he would not be returning the following season. You should be MAN enough to stand up in front of him and his parents, his former teamates and their parents and thank him for what he did do while he was in your program. He left in plenty of time for you not to depend on him when you are game planning for next season.
I'm not saying that your friend is a bad person, coach or teacher. But he used really bad judgement at best.
I also understand everyone saying that the administration should back their coaches. When they are in the right. But if I were the admin in the above situation I could not back you up on this. It would go against what i believe to be right. And why should I compromise my principles for yours?
You may agree, disagree or agree to disagree!
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Post by optionguy on Feb 9, 2009 18:10:19 GMT -6
A write-up is a formal, written reprimand for violating established policy/law/insubordination. Coach- Understood, but what are the repercussions of this? Is there any long-term action? Is it basically a speeding ticket? Pay it and move on? Why is this something to be afraid of? The write-up can be used to dismiss a staff member.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 9, 2009 21:59:24 GMT -6
I think it clearly states at the end of my last post that I personally would have went to the banquet. My friend did not.. I dont agree with that.. I saw this as a clever rouse to throw us off the trail... I could be wrong... but I BELIEVED I WAS RIGHT... I do agree that maybe it would not be in the best interest of the team aspect for the kid to join the team at the banquet.. Others dont agree with that.. and that is fine.. we are all entitled to that.. Then why are you jumping down my throat for not agreeing with you agreeing with your buddy? 1. I don't know you or your buddy... all I have is your words to base an opinion on... 2. Your words, led me to believe a man that acts this irrational, is arguing more than "respect for the program." 3. Kid gave coach an entire season... and coach wants to punish him because he doesn't want to give him another... and you find my assumptions assinine? It was this type of over the top emotion that led me to believe you were talking about yourself and not a "friend!" But for your to question this guys leadership abilities and program direction is completely ignorant.. because YOU do not know anything about it.. You cannot make those judgements based on one single situation.. Yes I can... I can form an opinion on just about anything... whether I have a lot of information, or a little information, I can form an opinion... And after hearing half the story... a story you purposely slanted by stating a kid quit... when he did not quit, but more importantly decided not to continue playing... It became very apparent to me, that you were biased, was going to give your buddy's point of view... and it quickly made me surmize a bigger problem... I could be wrong... but I doubt it... you know what... I think I'm right... and I'm going to stick to my guns... More so... I think you don't have a buddy, its really you, we're talking about... isn't it... tell the truth... its you! Nevermind the fact that he puts together a track team last year with 30+ kids and finishes 2nd in district when in the years before they never had more than 5 boys on the team and never scored more than 20 points at ANY meet. So what are you saying... he's a better track coach than football? Success indicates good leadership? How many of the track kids are returning next year? Were they invited to the banquet? I think this guy is doing a great job in his program.. Really? Except for ostracizing one of his previous players, because the kid didn't want to play for him anymore... not to mention neglecting all the kids that were planning to play for him again... how selfish is this guy... oh yeah, he's just sticking to his guns! My general question had to do with sticking to your guns no matter what.. who cares if what is right is right to us.. it was right to him.. and he stuck to it.. but the question is.. if something is right in your mind.. just how far would you go to prove/make your point valid? Let me see if I understand you correctly... Your general question had to do with stubborness, pride, ego, vindictiveness, wrath, regardless of what's right, as long as he can justify it to himself, forget everyone else he might hurt? The question was, if you think you are right, how far would you go to get others to believe you were right? Well... it depends... just how insecure am I? My friend refused to take part in something that "HE" saw as wrong.. he did not attend the banquet.. I may have hated being there.. but I would have went.. What would the rest of you do? I would have done like your buddy... screwed over the rest of the kids that gave me a tough season, and stayed home and pouted, till everyone saw it my way... I mean... that's what every great leader would do... right? THere I go again... getting all assinine, questioning the character of a man I don't know, over a situation i don't know anything about... that is... except for what you've told me! THAT was the point of this post.. not to bash some guy based on what his views are.. and to degrade his abilities as if you know him and his abilities personally. Well... the point of my response, was to illustrate how assinine it is... for a head coach, the leader, the adult in charge, to WANT to punish a kid, because the kid didn't want to play for him anymore. I find that deplorable... immature, and indicative of a bigger problem. And if I hurt your feelings or your buddy's feelings, because of the impression you gave me of your buddy from your posts... well that's too bad... that's the impression you gave me, based on the facts you presented... True or not... that's the picture you painted... the message you conveyed... and now you're mad because I didn't see it the way you wanted me to? Yeah... that's a shame.
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Post by airraider on Feb 10, 2009 6:27:53 GMT -6
Real easy... First, as everyone else has stated, pick your battles... And the battle he should pick, is... 1. Allow the kid to attend... 2. Recognize all the other kids... for whatever... 3. Conveniently forget to recognize the kid. 4. Repeat for something else... 5. Smile and say good night, And my friend.. you think this method of passive aggressiveness is any less "deplorable... immature, and indicative of a bigger problem"? You can take 2 hours to break down a post if you want.. but the bottom line.. someone that would degrade another person in this business to the point of questioning their ability as a coach based on some simple knowledge of the way he handled a situation is pretty irresponsible. Sure, he did something stupid.. but it was a judgment call.. one which we all surely have equaled at some point in life.. and most probably in the profession.. I am just glad there wasn't some jerk around to tell us how much we suck at our jobs.
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Post by khalfie on Feb 10, 2009 8:56:10 GMT -6
Real easy... First, as everyone else has stated, pick your battles... And the battle he should pick, is... 1. Allow the kid to attend... 2. Recognize all the other kids... for whatever... 3. Conveniently forget to recognize the kid. 4. Repeat for something else... 5. Smile and say good night, And my friend.. you think this method of passive aggressiveness is any less "deplorable... immature, and indicative of a bigger problem"? You can take 2 hours to break down a post if you want.. but the bottom line.. someone that would degrade another person in this business to the point of questioning their ability as a coach based on some simple knowledge of the way he handled a situation is pretty irresponsible. Sure, he did something stupid.. but it was a judgment call.. one which we all surely have equaled at some point in life.. and most probably in the profession.. I am just glad there wasn't some jerk around to tell us how much we suck at our jobs. Hill Larry... 1. My first response was based on you telling half the story... a story about a kid who quit on his team... a coach who was being forced to honor said quitter, by his administration and booster club... but wait a minute... the kid didn't quit on his team... that was just some LIE concoted by a "friend" of a guy, who was angry at a kid for not wanting to play for him any longer... 2. We need more "jerks" in this world... otherwise people would do whatever they want, simply because they think its the right thing to do, regardless of its effect on others. 3. When in a hole... stop digging man!
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Post by gdoggwr on Feb 10, 2009 10:33:59 GMT -6
As long as I've been a coach I've tried to keep two principles in mind: 1) Family before football (and I fail at that as much as anyone) 2) TEAM before me - which means that I always strive to do what is best for the team, not what is best for me.
I'm sure there is a lot to this story that is untold... but the best thing for the team is to have its HC be there for them. If the team is being recognized, then the coaches need to be there, period. To not be there is saying "I care more about myself than the team." If you personal principles make it impossible for you to be at the banquet if that kid is there then RESIGN because you are in a situation where the admin is forcing you to go against what you believe.
For me it really is that black and white.
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