What would you do as a HC and S&C coach?

If I'm the HC, that kid is GONZO!! Not only do I not allow him back, I carry it over into a school disciplinary issue. A kid with that much disrespect has issues much greater than I am qualified to handle. It's one thing to lose your temper and do something irrational as a knee jerk reaction, but based on what you described, he was given a reasonable chance to make a decision that could have benefitted him, or at least not hurt him further. He chose insanity.

Every kid is worth saving--BUT--taken to water doesn't always equate to a drinking horse.

If I'm the S&C coach, either that kid goes, or I go. A line has to be drawn. Was there a history of conflict between the two prior to the most recent incident?

Football would be the least of his worries.

He'd never would have gotten past the first F bomb in our program. it would have been addressed and there would have been a consequence with future consequence spelled out very concisely.

If it happened again, a much stronger consequence and depending on the situation, he would need to convince his parents to move in order to continue playing H.S. football because it wouldn't happen at our school.

I would say that the player quit and he is no longer on the team. If you had admin to back you up on this. That is the way to handle it. Heck we had a kid who was just beating his helmet against a locker and would not come out for the 2nd half this year. Made a scene in the locker room so we just told him he was done. The mother called and we told her we could not have behavior like that and told her, he was no longer on the team. AD supported it so it was a closed deal.

Although the hard-ass in me says he'd be gone I will say that the above statement is very true and should be considered. BUT...

IMO walking out/quitting on us and his teammates is forgivable in certain situations (jp lists some above), but M-F'ing a coach is a death sentence. Meet with AD, Kid, and Parents and let it be known that he crossed the line through defiance and he made the verbal-equivalent of drop kicking the coach in the face.

Things are different nowadays (we all know this and need to come to terms with it). I firmly believe that if you hold true to what you believe in, don't give in, and tow the line that the kids will adjust to you. That's part of teaching a kid right from wrong. I don't care what his homelife/socioeconomic status is- mfing an authority figure is not acceptable.

You can't go around M-F'ing authority figures like cops, judges, your boss, etc. and expect to get your way. This kid is 1-4 years from technically being an adult- he needs to learn from his mistake. If you give in you are NOT helping this kid at all.

I cant speak for anyone else but I learned that my TEAM is better without any cancers, distractions or energy drainers.

The rest of the team benefits when the coaching staff can focus on the team and not the weak individual who takes all time and effort.

I invite a kid to the weight room, I tell them what to do, if they do not do what I expect I do not invite them back. They can still come out for football but they will be hard pressed to win a spot without the conditioning required. Those that are not in workouts have makeup work to do. Perhaps a "time out" away from the coach and the players peers is just what the young man needs.

one thought on this. Any player who quits during a workout, refuses to do as instructed, is disrespectful to authority figures is more than likely to quit when the game gets tough and will do something to attract attention that in the end will result in coach being fired.

This needs to be fixed, the young man needs to be disciplined, do it FOR HIM.

If they are a fresh or soph they are removed from the offseason class and not allowed to play the next season....after the season they are put back into the off season class(if thats what they want)and have to make it thru the off season class,after school workouts and summer workouts without incident.If they do they are allowed to play again....Jrs would be gone....

Thats a good post jpd25......only thing I'd add (for whats its worth?)......when you're in the business of "pushing" people to their limits, then asking them for more, and pushing even harder.....I'd expect a few "FU's"....."MF's"...."Read between the lines, coach", "middle finger gestures" and other assorted obscenity's murmured under their breath.....comes with the territory to me.....you can make a big deal out of it and escalate it......or stay in control, let things cool off, then get back to work.......since none of us but soopd was there, we don't actually know what the entire story is ......in my experiences, the football boys could be a little testy at times, when you "pushed them hard"......but the "worst" by far was.....my (15-19) "womens softball team", I coached for several seasons..... That was a real love/hate relationship at times....nothing like coaching a bunch of angry women, after you've pushed them to the limit....they'd call me an old f---in....SOB one minute/hug my neck the next, lol! ;D

In my District (where I work and used to coach) the S & C coach would be called onto the carpet for making the kid sit in the chair, thus embarrassing him in front of his peers. If the S & C coach was an off-campus non-teacher he would be asked to resign. The head coach would be told he needed to apologize to the kid and his parents. The kid would definitely let back on the team, no consequences for his behavior.

Also, all of this took place within the first 10 minutes of work.

That player would no longer be a starter.
I think that is a big problem is starting kids on talent alone....and the kid always breaks your heart.
The other option is to send him home. Work or go home, the choice is yours!

An update on the situation.

The kid got to come back with an apology only to the S&C coach (no form of punishment for his actions).

I am the S&C coach and I had a disucussion with the head coach about how I was not happy with the situation. He told me you can not just kick kids off the team for things like that. So I stayed and kept running the offseason program trying to get passed my feelings and was going to let it slide. Then during another intense workout session the same kid takes a knee during one of the drills. His position coach gets on to him and he starts shaking his head no and being a real smarta@*. The head coach kicks him out of the field house and tells him in front of the entire team and staff, "You are done, do not ever try to come back."

I was thinking in the back of my mind that the HC was finally fed up with the kid so I decided I was going to let things slide on the past incident and stay on as a coach. However, 1 week later the kid is back in our offseason drills and in the weightroom. Nobody talked with me about it or anything. I asked the HC about it and he said we are going to give him another chance.

I told the HC that I was not going to work in an environment that lets the kids do whatever they want to when they want to.

I resigned from my position.

God bless you brother. Hope things work out for you in Alabama.

I think you did the right thing. At least you can sleep at night.