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Post by cmow5 on Oct 31, 2008 11:25:55 GMT -6
I am asking this for a couple reason,s. I am a frosh DC and we went 8-1 and won the championship(Conference, no playoffs). Well, it was like no one cared. The kids received nothing, we told the newspaper to see about getting the kids picture in the paper and it got back to the AD and he went off on the Frosh HC for trying and said it was his(AD) job to do that, but still NOTHING. No certificate, NOTHING!
I also, help with the JV and varsity all the time. and Twice this year I heard the OC say "I dont give a $%#^ if the JV wins another game" and I heard the varsity WR/ JV OC say I"I dont care if the freshmen win a game or not.
My question's are
1. Do you do anything if your freshmen or JV win a championship?
2.. Do you care if they win?
Here is my opinion. Winning is a habit. You have to know how to win the close ones and how to maintain a lead. I damn sure hope that the 8th graders coming to me win and win a lot. It creates numbers, a winning attitude, and a confidence that cannot be taught. I hope these guys dont think that these kids can lose every game at the lower levels and then all of a sudden become winners at the Varsity level. I do agree that teaching fundamentals and techniques is very important and their argument is as lomg as we do that then thats ALL they care about. Well winning is just as important in my book hard to teach anything when no one wants to came out for a losing team.
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Post by coachsky on Oct 31, 2008 11:48:59 GMT -6
I agree with you. Winning is a habit, winning is fun, kids want to win even if it's a simple drill in practice.
In terms of celebrations and recognition. Primarily that's your job! You don't want to go too far, but you could do Pizza, T-shirts, some type of fun thing to recognize a great seasons. I'm sure your HC would support something reasonable.
Our former Frosh Coach kept historical stats on his Teachers Web Page and always talked about winning the "mythical" Frosh championship. It does set the tone as those kids meet up with each other over the years. Heck even Youth League does. Last night there was a local game on ESPNU. I coached at one of those programs Feeder teams and some of those kids battling on ESPN as HS Seniors were playing against each other as 8 year olds, same team names, uniforms, mascots, colors, heck even the same field.
Don't expect the HC to drive it, you lead it, make the kids feel good about it. The HC will either join along and support you or he'll look like a stick in the mud, his choice.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 31, 2008 11:54:02 GMT -6
Usually its an ego that interferes with recognition for lower level teams performing at an outstanding level. Similarly its lower level coaches chest thumping about how they should now be the varsity head coach after winning a "championship" that pisses off varsity coaches and ADs and principals.
Winning is fun, keep the kids coming out for football letting them have fun.
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 31, 2008 11:55:32 GMT -6
Thanks coach, I saw that game last night. It was a good one. I just dont know what to do because the frosh HC already got yelled at by the AD for trying to get the pic in the paper. BTW he only asked them if they did that when he was calling in the stats for our last game also, the newspaper does it for every school around here from elementary basketball to frosh volleyball at our school so it is not like they dont do it or charge a fee it is already part of their platform. They even do little league. So if we go get t-shirts made or pizza then we might be looking for another job. Also, who would pay for it?
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Post by Coach JR on Oct 31, 2008 11:57:15 GMT -6
JV/Frosh coaches primary job is to teach the fundamentals and get the kids ready, so it's not like a foriegn language to them when they get to varsity. However, you play games too, and you want to, as part of fundamentals, build a winning attitude and confidence. But, like was said above, it is "just the JV/Frosh" and I'm sure the Varsity coaches don't give a rip...so the job of back patting goes to you. I don't understand why the AD would have been mad about the coach going to the paper, but other than that, it's your job to reward the kids. Maybe enlist the help of a parent or two to throw a party or something.
By the way, good going coach!
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 31, 2008 12:07:04 GMT -6
Coach, I have to say this is a two edge sword. Yes, I want our JV's and Frosh to win, but not at the expense of changing our system. and IMO is the purpose of Frosh and JV programs. For instance, our Frosh team won a game a few weeks back , I was mad because they are running 5-2 cv 2 which is not our defense. two weeks ago, frosh running our stuff ,lost 6-0 not happy w/ the outcome but feel good because they are doing our stuff. Last week, they win and doing our stuff, I'm a happy camper.
Another thing that gets to me. Frosh team up but 30 in the forth quarter and the bench hasn't been emptied yet. let me tell you, parents were ready to fry this guy. IMO, yea it's great to win but we want fundementals and scheme taught. Oh yea, our frosh guy has run off about eight kids.
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Post by sbv on Oct 31, 2008 12:12:57 GMT -6
I am the HC at a small school (approximately 75 kids per grade) that has been down the last 10 years. We had 31 kids out for football this year, with approximately 16 playing varsity. When it came time for our JV games, my view was that the game was more about getting the kids who are on scout team all week some game experience by playing them as well as some kids who play on varsity in other positions that they will need to possibly play next year. We were able to ensure that every kid started either the varsity game or the JV game at a position. Because of this we had some really bad kids in spots that hurt our chances of winning, so for me I guess I didn't care if we won or lost. Obviously I preferred winning to losing and the assistant coaches I had call the offense and defense wanted to win more than anything, but at the end of the day it really was about getting those kids some experience. I think that if I had 60 players, and didn't have the ability to start all of the JV players on one side of the ball, it would be more about winning and losing but like the other posters said that it is up to you as the coaches, and the parents of those players to set something up.
When I was at a large school in Iowa, I was a sophomore coach at a good program. We went 9-0 and at the end of the year for our sophomore awards banquet the parents gave each of the coaches a framed poster that had our team picture, shots from the games, and a schedule with the scores on it with the title "undefeated" on it. We had a nice little thing but the high school never recognized our success. Of course, the Freshmen teams (They had 2 of them) were both undefeated, and the High School team lost in the state championship.
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 31, 2008 12:13:44 GMT -6
I just dont understand how the varsity staff casnnot care if they have a bunch of kids that dont know how to win? Either this year or next I will be at the varsity level and I will be one of the biggest supporters of the JV/frosh teams. One to make sure they are being taught the "right" way and 2 to show them we are ONE team not three teams. I expected my frosh to be at JV and Varsity games and cheering and learning and even made them leave their sits and come close to the Varsity players to sing the school fight song with them after a game. I hate the its "Just JV/frosh" attitude. Because to my 30 freshmen and their supporters it is VERY important. They worked just as hard as the rest of the team.
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Post by calicoachh on Oct 31, 2008 12:23:48 GMT -6
i agree that winning is a habit, but i have also seen frosh and jv coaches doing things that the varsity does not do in order to win. the role of the lower levels is to prepare kids for teh next higher level. hopefully they prepare thier kids well enough and have enough players to win games. winning games the right way keeps kids in the program and excitment at a high level, winning the wrong way stunts the progress at the next level, either jv or varsity.
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 31, 2008 12:27:17 GMT -6
Just to let you guys know I run EVERYTHING the same as the Varsity. we are a 3-4 cover 3 anmd thats what we run. This was my first year and at the beging I went to EVERY varsity coach and sayed "What would you like these kids to know coming you to you next year" I got ONE response. So I even went further and decided to attend everything I possibly could that delt with the varsity so I could learn my self what is being taught and exactly how. My D kids are very prepared for the next level and the onmly thing I did different was blitz a little more and more aggressively because I can at this level, but my blitz packages where all the same name, reads, blitzes, ETC...
Now the OC/ "HC" acts like he is running the same thing, but really does not care what they know moving up. His favorite play is the damn lonesome polecat. Thats another problem I am having, being affiliated with him. Maybe I am catching the dissatisfaction with his coaching style because about the only one that thinks he is am good coach is him
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Post by touchdownmaker on Oct 31, 2008 12:52:32 GMT -6
Thanks coach, I saw that game last night. It was a good one. I just dont know what to do because the frosh HC already got yelled at by the AD for trying to get the pic in the paper. BTW he only asked them if they did that when he was calling in the stats for our last game also, the newspaper does it for every school around here from elementary basketball to frosh volleyball at our school so it is not like they dont do it or charge a fee it is already part of their platform. They even do little league. So if we go get t-shirts made or pizza then we might be looking for another job. Also, who would pay for it? strong word of advice. find out from your varsity hc, the principal of the hs and ms and also the ad of both schools if giving out any type of awards is ok. we have done it and we just pay for it out of our own pocket. in fact, we are buying all of our varsity awards trophies ourselvs though our school does typically pay for 2 awards. |
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Post by mitch on Oct 31, 2008 13:53:39 GMT -6
I don't really subscribe to the theory that the Freshmen on down need to run the same system as the high school. Terminology ( hole numbering, position naming, playcalling system) yes, but them using the same defense/offense is not that big a deal to me. If they are teaching great fundamentals (blocking/tackling), physical play, and great effort, then we can teach them whatever "system" we want when they get to us and I believe we will be succesful.
I want the Junior High/ Middle school to be succesful- winning breeds winning. If they come to us with good fundamentals and a history of success, then we have a great chance for success.
Back to the original question, I want everyone to play, and expect everyone to play if a game is in hand, but not at the sake of costing the game. I would also expect the coach, AD, parents, whoever to make a big deal out the younger teams achievements. This game is after all about the kids so give them recognition. Sounds like your AD, and possibly the Head Coach have ego problems.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 31, 2008 14:08:11 GMT -6
Coach, your A.D.'s attitude is pure lazy crap. He got upset that someone "went over his head" because this jerk is too sorry lazy to pick up the phone and made 1 little call to the paper.
He's just typical, sorry, lazy AD, that's all.
(and in the south when someone calls you "sorry" that's bad.)
Here's the deal-I don't know how many times I've read and heard people talk about how good a varsity will be because their JV or Frosh teams were good.
If the varsity team is poor, people will say things like, "good things are ahead because the JV was 8-0" and stuff like that.
Everybody knows that a good JV or Frosh team is a sign of good things for the future of the Varsity.
We never consider it an insult to our varsity at all. Even in poor years, if the under class teams were good, every one was talking about the improvement the varsity would get with these kids.
OJW
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Post by CVBears on Oct 31, 2008 14:54:05 GMT -6
The black and white answer is "NO" And I have been associated with the lower levels before. At the JV/Frosh level, it is about teaching fundy's and the system(s) of the program. If they win on top of that, great!
In terms of recognition... don't you already have a team banquet, give participation awards, some individual awards (maybe?) or something of that nature? To me, talking about freshmen sports in the paper, or jv for that matter, is a little much (just IMO). Sell it to the kids, hype up the kids, pat the kids on the back, make sure you spread the love for them, but I just don't think a JV or a Freshmen "league championship" is a "championship" worthy of shouting from the rooftops.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2008 16:29:04 GMT -6
I kind of alluded to some of these issues in another thread, when here about the freshman telling a coach on the sideline "Coach...it doesn't look like we are going to win this...can the younger guys go hit the showers before the older kids use up the hot water.."
Attitudes like that are not necessarily selfish or detrimental to the program. They simply alert the coach of the reality that those young guys bleed, sweat, cry...for THEM..not for some abstract overarching program
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2008 7:55:25 GMT -6
wow..obviously was not all with it on that last post--- "when here" should have been "the one" and THEM...should have been "themselves"
yuck...not a good typing day.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 1, 2008 8:06:56 GMT -6
I don't really subscribe to the theory that the Freshmen on down need to run the same system as the high school. Terminology ( hole numbering, position naming, playcalling system) yes, but them using the same defense/offense is not that big a deal to me. If they are teaching great fundamentals (blocking/tackling), physical play, and great effort, then we can teach them whatever "system" we want when they get to us and I believe we will be succesful. I want the Junior High/ Middle school to be succesful- winning breeds winning. If they come to us with good fundamentals and a history of success, then we have a great chance for success. Back to the original question, I want everyone to play, and expect everyone to play if a game is in hand, but not at the sake of costing the game. I would also expect the coach, AD, parents, whoever to make a big deal out the younger teams achievements. This game is after all about the kids so give them recognition. Sounds like your AD, and possibly the Head Coach have ego problems. If you want to your program to be consistently successful, the lower levels HAVE to run the varsity system. The varsity system should be flexbible enough to account for various levels and types of talent, but you still have to run the system. In my experience, the coaches that DON'T want to run the varsity system are far more involved with the Xs and Os; NOT "fundamentals". |
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2008 8:22:40 GMT -6
Freshmen and sophomore championships are LAME. The thing is, on that level, there are SO many factors involved in winning...many lower level teams don't film their games, don't get quality practices during the week because they have to send their better players up as scrimmage fodder against the upper level teams, and are often staffed with the youngest and least experienced coaches. Heck, my third year coaching, I was the head frosh-soph coach of a 9-0 team. I didn't know the difference between a post route and a 4-weak blitz. That team was SO talented that I could have sat on home Friday nights in my lazy boy and let the QB call the plays and we STILL would have been 9-0. And, of course, our varsity struggled that year, so all of the parents of the F-S kids thought I needed to be the head varsity coach.  If only they REALLY knew... The thing is, when kids on the lower levels are awarded with all kinds of accolades for a good freshman or sophomore season...they get plaques, their pictures in the papers, special patches for their letterman jackets, the cheerleaders putting out, etc, etc...when they get those things when they are 14 or 15 years old, then what is the incentive to improve? What do you, as varsity coaches, have to keep those lower level kids hungry? That F-S team I "coached" to a 9-0 season? The freshmen on that team went 9-0 the next year...so, 2 years of lower level football and an 18-0 record. Guess what? Last year, those same two classes, together again as seniors and juniors on the varsity, limped through a 5-4 regular season before losing to a really weak first round playoff opponent that was beat 40-0 in the second round a week later. On the other side, we have a local team around here that traditionally has 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 freshmen and sophomore teams but once those guys get up to the varsity, they are playoff caliber every year. So, my biggest problem with heaping all sorts of accolades on lower level kids is that it is really hard to keep them hungry for varsity football, when the playing field is significantly leveled. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2008 8:59:18 GMT -6
If you want to your program to be consistently successful, the lower levels HAVE to run the varsity system. The varsity system should be flexbible enough to account for various levels and types of talent, but you still have to run the system. NOT true--because of the emphasis on the word HAVE. Very true..in my experience as well. |
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 1, 2008 9:20:45 GMT -6
My question's are 1. Do you do anything if your freshmen or JV win a championship? 2.. Do you care if they win? 1. Not as you have described. I would recognize them at our banquet and let them know I am proud of them. 2. Not if it is at the expense of fundamentals and player development. [not trying to insinuate that your, cmow5, championship is] I don't think younger levels need to run carbon copies of the varsity programs, but it should be similar in scheme and philosophy. Fundamentals are most important, IMO. However, running the Varsity stuff and playing everyone while you get your a$$ kicked is no fun. There has to be a balance, its still a game. But when the pressure to win becomes so great that we are willing to sacrifice player development, then its a problem, again, IMO. |
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Post by phantom on Nov 1, 2008 14:56:26 GMT -6
I am asking this for a couple reason,s. I am a frosh DC and we went 8-1 and won the championship(Conference, no playoffs). Well, it was like no one cared. The kids received nothing, we told the newspaper to see about getting the kids picture in the paper and it got back to the AD and he went off on the Frosh HC for trying and said it was his(AD) job to do that, but still NOTHING. No certificate, NOTHING! I also, help with the JV and varsity all the time. and Twice this year I heard the OC say "I dont give a $%#^ if the JV wins another game" and I heard the varsity WR/ JV OC say I"I dont care if the freshmen win a game or not. My question's are 1. Do you do anything if your freshmen or JV win a championship? 2.. Do you care if they win? Here is my opinion. Winning is a habit. You have to know how to win the close ones and how to maintain a lead. I {censored} sure hope that the 8th graders coming to me win and win a lot. It creates numbers, a winning attitude, and a confidence that cannot be taught. I hope these guys dont think that these kids can lose every game at the lower levels and then all of a sudden become winners at the Varsity level. I do agree that teaching fundamentals and techniques is very important and their argument is as lomg as we do that then thats ALL they care about. Well winning is just as important in my book hard to teach anything when no one wants to came out for a losing team. We don't have a freshman team, only JV (8th-10th grade) and they've been very successful. There's no special recognition for a JV championship since in our league there are no official JV standings and no official JV championship. JV scores are not reported so there's recognition from the media. When they've won championships we've given them T-shirts and mentioned it at the banquet. We don't want to go overboard because, frankly, we don't want them to get too big-headed about a JV championship. It's a nice step toward where we want them but only a step. We do want them to win, though, and we do want them running our basic system. ' |
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Post by PSS on Nov 1, 2008 16:51:37 GMT -6
I am asking this for a couple reason,s. I am a frosh DC and we went 8-1 and won the championship(Conference, no playoffs). Well, it was like no one cared. The kids received nothing, we told the newspaper to see about getting the kids picture in the paper and it got back to the AD and he went off on the Frosh HC for trying and said it was his(AD) job to do that, but still NOTHING. No certificate, NOTHING! I also, help with the JV and varsity all the time. and Twice this year I heard the OC say "I dont give a $%#^ if the JV wins another game" and I heard the varsity WR/ JV OC say I"I dont care if the freshmen win a game or not. My question's are 1. Do you do anything if your freshmen or JV win a championship? 2.. Do you care if they win? Here is my opinion. Winning is a habit. You have to know how to win the close ones and how to maintain a lead. I {censored} sure hope that the 8th graders coming to me win and win a lot. It creates numbers, a winning attitude, and a confidence that cannot be taught. I hope these guys dont think that these kids can lose every game at the lower levels and then all of a sudden become winners at the Varsity level. I do agree that teaching fundamentals and techniques is very important and their argument is as lomg as we do that then thats ALL they care about. Well winning is just as important in my book hard to teach anything when no one wants to came out for a losing team. We have 2 freshmen and and 2 JV teams, depending on our opponents. If our opponent doesn't have that many teams we will often combine the two and have one freshman, or one JV. This often happens during district plays. We promote winning at every level. Our varsity coaches are the freshmen and JV coaches, so of course we want to win. Nothing like sweeping a team (winning at all levels) that week. Now we will play everyone on both sides of the ball and develop their skills as a player; however, it is a competitive sport the last time I looked and the object of the game is to win. If we pitch a shutout the next day everyone gets to "pop the top" of a Big Red together, a tradition we started this year. Ultimately, the goal of these players is to reach the varsity and contribute. That's their reward. We have had 8 moved up this year including 1 freshman. They do also get a certificate at our football banquet. |
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Post by mitch on Nov 2, 2008 9:24:01 GMT -6
I don't really subscribe to the theory that the Freshmen on down need to run the same system as the high school. Terminology ( hole numbering, position naming, playcalling system) yes, but them using the same defense/offense is not that big a deal to me. If they are teaching great fundamentals (blocking/tackling), physical play, and great effort, then we can teach them whatever "system" we want when they get to us and I believe we will be succesful. I want the Junior High/ Middle school to be succesful- winning breeds winning. If they come to us with good fundamentals and a history of success, then we have a great chance for success. Back to the original question, I want everyone to play, and expect everyone to play if a game is in hand, but not at the sake of costing the game. I would also expect the coach, AD, parents, whoever to make a big deal out the younger teams achievements. This game is after all about the kids so give them recognition. Sounds like your AD, and possibly the Head Coach have ego problems. If you want to your program to be consistently successful, the lower levels HAVE to run the varsity system. The varsity system should be flexbible enough to account for various levels and types of talent, but you still have to run the system. In my experience, the coaches that DON'T want to run the varsity system are far more involved with the Xs and Os; NOT "fundamentals". If you believe that, OK, but I am just speaking from experience as well. We have been very successful at the HS and our lower levels don't always run the varsity system. I think the most important thing you can teach the young ones is the right way to play the game (fundamentals I described above), not a scheme that most 7th - 9th graders are going to forget about 2 weeks after their season is over  . Our lower levels are definitely not too concerned with the X's and O's, b/c I have coached them as well and we are about as basic as it gets. Of course, I am talking about a small school situation, so my opinion is based on a different perspective than someone from a school who has completely different varisty/lower level staffs. |
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Post by khalfie on Nov 2, 2008 9:51:11 GMT -6
19 said it all...
Frosh / JV championships... trophies... plaques? Huh?
If you are not playing varsity... its practice!
If its practice, run the system, learn the fundamentals... if you want prestige, acknowledgement... make the varsity program... that's where it counts... the rest is practice.
I'm one of those guys that believe, Frosh get the old uniforms...
Frosh and JV don't get the emblem on their helmet...
If we have a practice field.... they have to play on the practice field...
If they want the "juice", the accolades... play varsity... as a Frosh or Soph... and to do that... you have to be exceptional!
Frosh ball... Jv ball... practice...
Don't tell me you should get a trophy, or your name in the paper... for practice!
This is High School Football Brother... if you want accolades and trophies go to intramurals brother!
LOL! ;D
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Post by trojan on Nov 2, 2008 10:09:16 GMT -6
Just to let you guys know I run EVERYTHING the same as the Varsity. Based on several of the responses, I was wondering about this. If you are winning with the varsity system, then you must be doing a good job, right? We had a team at my school that went more two or three games deep in the state playoffs, a couple years in a row. They had been undefeated in 7th, 8th, and 9th grades. If they beat up on the same kids from the other schools that we play in 7th, then they did it in all the subsequent years. That makes sense, right? Now, I'm just a 7th grade coach. I'm no varsity HC. Still, if I were a head coach, it seems like if my near-future players win and win again doing what I do at my level, I'd be thrilled. Our 7th grade team went 5-2, and our 8th grade team went 6-1 (league champs). Our frosh won ZERO games. The varsity HC is more than a little interested in what we do in the middle school. He is always supportive, giving us whatever he can give us. He and a varsity asst. even filmed one of our home games for us with the endzone cam. I agree with the comments that say that you need to be the one to head the celebration, but I would also be surprised/disappointed if the higher-ups weren't at least pleased about lower level success. Congratulations on your success, and best of luck in the future! |
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Post by khalfie on Nov 2, 2008 10:19:52 GMT -6
Just to let you guys know I run EVERYTHING the same as the Varsity. Based on several of the responses, I was wondering about this. If you are winning with the varsity system, then you must be doing a good job, right? We had a team at my school that went more two or three games deep in the state playoffs, a couple years in a row. They had been undefeated in 7th, 8th, and 9th grades. If they beat up on the same kids from the other schools that we play in 7th, then they did it in all the subsequent years. That makes sense, right? Now, I'm just a 7th grade coach. I'm no varsity HC. Still, if I were a head coach, it seems like if my near-future players win and win again doing what I do at my level, I'd be thrilled. Our 7th grade team went 5-2, and our 8th grade team went 6-1 (league champs). Our frosh won ZERO games. The varsity HC is more than a little interested in what we do in the middle school. He is always supportive, giving us whatever he can give us. He and a varsity asst. even filmed one of our home games for us with the endzone cam. I agree with the comments that say that you need to be the one to head the celebration, but I would also be surprised/disappointed if the higher-ups weren't at least pleased about lower level success. Congratulations on your success, and best of luck in the future! Apples and Oranges Trojan... Youth ball is a totally different animal. The Youth team should be celebrated... get trophies... name in the paper. That is their VARSITY program. The HS HC should take an interest... come to a few practices to show he cares and believes it to be worthwhile. Hell, the HC should have the Youth team introduced and recognized at a Varsity game... offer any assistance necessary... However, when we are talking within the confines of the HS itself... you are one program... and that one program is VARSITY... if you aren't playing VARSITY, you are practicing and proving your that you should be playing VARSITY.... that's it... that's all. |
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Post by mitch on Nov 2, 2008 10:20:11 GMT -6
Let the kids have a little sense of accomplishment!!! Make the teams play on the practice field?, c'mon Its about the kids, guys!!!
I am not for trophies either, but a picture in the newspaper is going to make the kids fat and satisfied when they get to the varsity level? Kids do something positive, recognize it.
By the way I'm talking about JH and lower, not JV. JV is part of the varsity team. JH and down are related, but their own entity.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 2, 2008 10:24:40 GMT -6
Let the kids have a little sense of accomplishment!!! Make the teams play on the practice field?, c'mon Its about the kids, guys!!! I am not for trophies either, but a picture in the newspaper is going to make the kids fat and satisfied when they get to the varsity level? Kids do something positive, recognize it. I couldn't agree more Mith... Its about the kids... and the best thing we can do for the kids, is allow them to earn something... instead of feeding into this era of entitlement. You want the golden fleece... earn it... the prize should be internal, intrinsic, simply the opportunity to play, should be the reward... If its not fun on the practice field... then you are playing for all the wrong reaons! But again, I'm talking about the HS program... the youth team can use the game field any time they want... unless its rainy... and we have a home game coming up...  |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 2, 2008 10:26:48 GMT -6
LOL, as a high school coach how could you not care if the lower level teams have success? Why would you ever make comments suggesting what they do is unimportant? At some point in time you'll need to have their trust and respect and if you made statements saying you it does not matter to you if they've won or lost that translates that you don't care about them and you'll have a much more difficult time bringing them fully into the fold early when it's their time.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 2, 2008 10:45:36 GMT -6
19 said it all... Frosh / JV championships... trophies... plaques? Huh? If you are not playing varsity... its practice! If its practice, run the system, learn the fundamentals... if you want prestige, acknowledgement... make the varsity program... that's where it counts... the rest is practice. I'm one of those guys that believe, Frosh get the old uniforms... Frosh and JV don't get the emblem on their helmet... If we have a practice field.... they have to play on the practice field... If they want the "juice", the accolades... play varsity... as a Frosh or Soph... and to do that... you have to be exceptional! Frosh ball... Jv ball... practice... Don't tell me you should get a trophy, or your name in the paper... for practice! This is High School Football Brother... if you want accolades and trophies go to intramurals brother! LOL! ;D This is a view that I shared probably up until 2 or 3 years ago. However, I now believe that such a view is essentially a mature adult view that probably is not embraced by 13 and 14 year olds as a whole. I don't think it is reasonable or realistic to expect 14 year old boys to think in the self-sacrificial terms that adults do. Not reasonable or realistic to expect them to devote themselves to an abstract overarching "program" of which traditionally they aren't "truly" a part of until they are upperclassmen or an exceptional athlete. Obviously not saying that anyone is wrong here..only that in a constant effort to improve, this is one area I have been exploring. |
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If only they REALLY knew...
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