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Post by airman on Sept 22, 2008 18:22:26 GMT -6
my fav play is line up in double slots and fake punt. the punter throws the ball in the direction of a gunner who is gettng mauled by the dbs. Automatic pass int. 15 yds and first down for us. Airman, just so you know, if you are in college, Texas, or Mass. and the ball is thrown to simulate a punt, there is no DPI on that play. Not sure about the federation rules. The pass is thrown like a regular fake punt not in any way to simulate a punt. basically it is a like a fade pass play. however the gunner is usually getting mauled so bad that it gets called right way. I tell the officals we use it and have never had it not called.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 23, 2008 4:37:16 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 10:53:28 GMT -6
I guess respecting other coaches, isn't in that passage, huh John ?
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Post by airman on Sept 23, 2008 12:26:23 GMT -6
so running a fake punt is some how is not being ethical. I have always found that are on the etthics high horse are like the rev. jim backer they fall and fall hard eventually.
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Post by airman on Sept 23, 2008 13:28:42 GMT -6
so running a fake punt is some how is not being ethical. I have always found those that are on the ethics high horse are like the rev. jim backer they fall and fall hard eventually.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 23, 2008 14:50:01 GMT -6
I agree with Los on this one; I'm not going to make a big deal out of gimmick plays, but I don't think that they're a positive part of the game.
I think a lot of coaches would echo my sentiments if they had spent some time coaching in the youth and middle school leagues I have been around. Entire offenses based off trick plays were common place; and it got old in a hurry.
We almost always destroyed these kinds of plays, but to do so, we had to waste practice time defending it. We still emphasized fundamentals on defense (tackling, shedding, etc..) and our kids were always sound, but there was SOOO much more that I could have taught those kids about the "real game" had we not had to simulate a "coach, we gots the wrong ball play" during defensive periods. Heck, we had to spend almost an entire week going over half-back toss pass/QB screen; like I said, gets old IN A HURRY.
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Post by airman on Sept 23, 2008 14:58:58 GMT -6
I agree with Los on this one; I'm not going to make a big deal out of gimmick plays, but I don't think that they're a positive part of the game. I think a lot of coaches would echo my sentiments if they had spent some time coaching in the youth and middle school leagues I have been around. Entire offenses based off trick plays were common place; and it got old in a hurry. We almost always destroyed these kinds of plays, but to do so, we had to waste practice time defending it. We still emphasized fundamentals on defense (tackling, shedding, etc..) and our kids were always sound, but there was SOOO much more that I could have taught those kids about the "real game" had we not had to simulate a "coach, we gots the wrong ball play" during defensive periods. Heck, we had to spend almost an entire week going over half-back toss pass/QB screen; like I said, gets old IN A HURRY. that is the point of runing multiple formations, multiple plays and exotic plays. the other team has to use valuable practice for them. most every one i know makes people practice things which they might or might not use in a game just to make the other coach think. if the half back pass is bad then vince Lombardi is turning over in his grave. that was one of the ways he attacked teams which came up to fast on the green bay packer power sweep.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 23, 2008 19:59:41 GMT -6
Guys, it is what it is, Bull$hit. You all know the difference in trickery and down right rules stretching and it is not OK to do the latter. I am not high and mighty, just telling that running plays that are designed to circumvent the rules is not right. Put in all the trick plays and fakes you want. Fine I love them but not things that are designed to abuse the rules. In my opinion the A-11 is that kind of deal, designed to abuse the numbering exception. I have been coaching 25 years guys so give me a little credit here, I know just a little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2008 5:02:47 GMT -6
Coach I'm not saying you don't...you are the one who is coming off like you are holding the 10 commandments of football.
Calling someone a "cheat" because they asked about a play...ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY AGREED IT WAS ILLEGAL. Is ignorant. Agian I think you need to go back and read what was posted, before firing off about cheating.
Noone here is saying that they are going to run them I don't recall anyone here even saying they agree with them. Nobody asked for a refresher on he rules.
the post was to simply discuss a football play
You need to back off the self righteous routine.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 24, 2008 5:21:10 GMT -6
You just called me ignorant. Now that is out of line. I simply pointed out that running plays that circumvent the rules are unethical, illegal and are basically cheating. I called no one a cheat. Just a little old man advice. Take it for what it is worth.
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Post by tog on Sept 24, 2008 6:13:10 GMT -6
i think this thread has run it's course
if you want to bicker at each other do it via pm's
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