Fumbleruski or rooski

well technically its not illegal.. the rule states that no player adjacent to the center make pick up a planned loose ball.

So.. a guard cant pick it up.. but say.. a wingback can.. not as effective.. but still a way to do it..

Just like they tried to outlaw the hideout.. there are still ways to do it.. perfectly legal ways.. ;D

Couldn't you have a pulling guard pick the ball up?

Sorry, meant tackle. I read the "adjacent to the center" thing but I accidently typed guard instead of tackle. My bad.

I mean, pulling a tackle is a little more unusual, and maybe you wouldn't wanna practice something you'll use maybe once- especially at the high school level, where time is of the essence (not as much time to practice, kids have others things to focus on, etc).

The Coaches Code of Ethics
The function of a coach is to educate students through participation in interscholastic competition. An interscholastic program should be designed to enhance academic achievement and should never interfere with opportunities for academic success. Each student-athlete should be treated as though he or she were the coaches' own, and his or her welfare should be uppermost at all times. Accordingly, the following guidelines for coaches have been adopted by the NFCA Board of Directors.

The coach shall be aware that he or she has a tremendous influence, for either good or ill, on the education of the student-athlete and, thus, shall never place the value of winning above the value of instilling the highest ideals of character.

The coach shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession. In all personal contact with student-athletes, officials, athletic directors, school administrators, the state high school athletic association, the media, and the public, the coach shall strive to set an example of the highest ethical and moral conduct.

The coach shall take an active role in the prevention of drug, alcohol and tobacco abuse.

The coach shall avoid the use of alcohol and tobacco products when in contact with players.

The coach shall promote the entire interscholastic program of the school and direct his or her program in harmony with the total school program.

The coach shall master the contest rules and shall teach them to his or her team members. The coach shall not seek an advantage by circumvention of the spirit or letter of the rules.

The coach shall exert his or her influence to enhance sportsmanship by spectators, both directly and by working closely with cheerleaders, pep club sponsors, booster clubs, and administrators.

The coach shall respect and support contest officials. The coach shall not indulge in conduct which would incite players or spectators against the officials. Public criticism of officials or players is unethical.

Before and after contests, coaches for the competing teams should meet and exchange cordial greetings to set the correct tone for the event.

A coach shall not exert pressure on faculty members to give student-athletes special consideration. A coach shall not scout opponents by any means other than those adopted by the league and/or state high school athletic association.

That is mature!

Bush League BS plays belong in pop warner not high school.

I guess you run wrong ball and where's the tee and possum too!

WTF is that all about

Those plays are all plays that try to circumvent the rules and should be shut down by the officials and USC called on the coach. It is unsportsmanlike to run plays designed to cheat.

Possum is Shift snapdown on 4th down and less than 5 to draw the defense offsides. It is illegal and bushleague as well. Sad part is some officials call encroachment when it should be ion the offense.

heck I wish the rule was the same. I caught people off guard with the fumbleruski. it was a nice two point play. we called it left or right guard special.

I personally like exotic plays. double passes, throwback passes, hook and latteral, statue plays and putting the qb in motion or walking to the side lines and a direct snap to the back or fake neal down by the qb at the end of the half.

my fav play is line up in double slots and fake punt. the punter throws the ball in the direction of a gunner who is gettng mauled by the dbs. Automatic pass int. 15 yds and first down for us.

John, you need to send this post to Coach Bryant. He needs to read this, because he is really in jeopardy of teaching kids how to circumvent the rules.

I am going to have to disagree here..I think there are various situations, (especially dealing with youth ball but even at higher levels), where there is such a concept as "spirit of the game".

The obvious one on the front burner right now is the "super innovative" A-11. But several other situations come to mind. I have witnessed several instances where attendance boundaries are manipulated "by the book" that are in stark contrast with the "spirit' of the rules, which is your team should be comprised of the kids that would ordinarily go to your school...In other sports I have seen rules followed exactly, but were not in accordance with the spirit of the game (having your weaker hitters stand on home plate so that they will get out in a timely manner--allowing the top of your line up to bat within the time limits, dribbling out the last 27 seconds of a 1 point basketball game because the league rules at the time did not allow for any defensive pressure past half court at that age group...)

Coach I agee, I hink that it's your job as a coach to find ways to win, within the framework of the rules. I'm not saying I use any of the above, I did did use the "hideout" before.

The reason I asked the question is because one of the other coaches, want's to use it, I told him it's illegal.

Since you brought it up, don't forget that the Department of Justice won its consolidated anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft....the businesworld version of "not being in the spirit of the rules"

And there certainly is a "spirit of the rules" in all games with rules. Again, the A-11 jumps to the forefront. The intent and spirit of the loophole they exploit are CLEARLY to aid football teams in staffing special teams. Attendance boundary rules are often circumvented, which violate the "spirit" of the rules. I would argue that the simulated punt pass that timtheenchanter mentions is another example.

The NFHS has added language recently to discourage plays that use deception by actions or verbal cues that would lead the defense to believe the snap is not going to happen. The substitution rules have been added to prevent this kind of crap as well. The A-11 will be deemed illegal except on 4th down or true kicking situations like it is in NCAA now. I love trick plays and deception like reverse or halfback pass and they are exciting and fun to watch. Plays that are designed to get penalties called or take advantage of kids are not ethical. I do not need to lighten up we all need to be good coaches and not try to circumvent the rules(cheat)!