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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2008 18:51:16 GMT -6
Very surprised this thread has gone this way. I agree with the usage PSS just pointed out. Weeks would go by without me checking the "trading post" but very rarely does a day go by without me checking the offensive and general boards.
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Post by oguru on Aug 23, 2008 19:28:30 GMT -6
Tog can we locked this thread. Huey is the man,and he can do whatever he pleases with his sie. GO HUEY YOU THE MAN
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Post by tog on Aug 23, 2008 19:42:20 GMT -6
guru we encourage discussion
just keep it civil
if any of you guys have suggestions about how to have a trading post where there are no copyrighted materials in it you are more than welcome to suggest some
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Post by amikell on Aug 23, 2008 21:01:01 GMT -6
this is a great thread. only in today's world (note i did not say in amurka) will people complain about a free site. long story short, tog has made it abundantly clearly that the trading post will be back in one form or another. CHILL out people... tog I have no idea how to have a trading post w/ no copyrighted material. the signature line suggesting a pm for traing list is a great idea. maybe a section where we all can post our own savefile links w/ our stuff or trade lists on it. I have inadvertantly traded for copyrighted stuff before and won't do it anymore, b/c I veiw it as a form a theft. i got BLASTED on another site and basically called a woman's sexual organ b/c of it my feelings about it... the moral of this longwinded, rambling post is....to each his own...however huey has to Cover his butt, and we should be thankful this cow is still giving milk for free, and stop complaining that it's not chocolate milk.
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Post by tog on Aug 23, 2008 21:21:28 GMT -6
this is a great thread. only in today's world (note i did not say in amurka) will people complain about a free site. long story short, tog has made it abundantly clearly that the trading post will be back in one form or another. CHILL out people... tog I have no idea how to have a trading post w/ no copyrighted material. the signature line suggesting a pm for traing list is a great idea. maybe a section where we all can post our own savefile links w/ our stuff or trade lists on it. I have inadvertantly traded for copyrighted stuff before and won't do it anymore, b/c I veiw it as a form a theft. i got BLASTED on another site and basically called a woman's sexual organ b/c of it my feelings about it... the moral of this longwinded, rambling post is....to each his own...however huey has to Cover his butt, and we should be thankful this cow is still giving milk for free, and stop complaining that it's not chocolate milk. thanks mikell anyone that calls you a female organ probably uses vagisil anyhow guys--it isn't that difficult I have just about every dang playbook out there if there is something I want I just ask if I see someone has it if I want film from so and so I ask if they don't/won't send it then guess what someone else has already run that crap somewhere else before i can get a picture of it in my head real good and find out how my team wants to run it based on our kids getting the 94 vikings playbook from someone and installing it word for word is sheer idiocy fit what you do to your kids if you have studied the game at all you can figure out different ways to get the job done and adap that around your kids.
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Post by k on Aug 23, 2008 21:45:09 GMT -6
Easily the most amusing thing in this thread is the people who are going balistic on those who don't think the change was a good idea.
YOU SHUT UP! THIS FREE YOU CAN'T DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING!
It is just silly... It is a community and people will obviously express themselves in regards to major changes to that community.
What this ends up hurting is the people who were "taboo" to ask for here as mentioned earlier in the thread. With the information removed from the community it won't be long before you'll see a torrent out for some of the stuff...
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Post by crl on Aug 24, 2008 2:00:21 GMT -6
Tog, thank you for clarification...I have expressed my love for this site and as stated I have no prob at Huey making money. I never really trade, if I have something that someone wants I give it freely. Some Coaches here have sent me info that has proved invaluable and hopefully the stuff I have gave has helped somewhat.
Great Site, Great advice, Good people
One Star, One Republic, One Texas "Sam Houston" CRL
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Post by coachweigelt on Aug 24, 2008 2:37:25 GMT -6
Guys, you German in extremly horroable. My eyes are hurting ;D I always loved TED's stuff, and I think he is helping alot of guys and if huey wants us to trade via PM heck then lets do that... I will do it as TOG said in my Sig. By the way Brophy trade still up??
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 24, 2008 6:10:41 GMT -6
I dont know why everybody is so upset w/ me. The direction of this board recently just opens the door to other people competing with their own website. supply and demand. I am fully in favor of people making money. coach huey has every right to do that. My only beef with the trading post is that it JUST DISAPPEARED. NO warning, No Explanation. I have since gotten that explanation and its cool.
I understand the pirating issue. If thats the beef then you dont have a need for a trading board. Let people with the original document Post it a thousand times. The very simple solution is to ban people who claim to be copying or pirating materials. The list have nothing to do with who is pirating and who is not. JUST DEAL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE PIRATING.BAN THEM. Nobody can prove who has what. Let post their list and nothing more. If everything is done privately, you dont have an issue.
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Post by splitbacks on Aug 24, 2008 6:37:16 GMT -6
The biggest problem is too many people asking, not enough giving. Used to have a lot of guys willing to post for nothing, Bruce Eien, Teed, Gatorball, etc, but they must have run out. Now you get guys on there asking if anyone has a copy of some teams 2007 offense. Many of the requests were unrealistic, or maybe there was too much contraband material being traded and Huey is protecting himself and the other members
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Post by help on Aug 24, 2008 10:19:09 GMT -6
Just go to a different site. They are many with free materials. Dont sweat the small stuff.
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Post by ajreaper on Aug 24, 2008 12:09:33 GMT -6
To put it in purely football terms:
"TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YOU"
Whatever else Coach Huey makes available for us is more then we would have had so behappy with it.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 24, 2008 12:33:14 GMT -6
Weird thread. Btw playbooks and pointpoints shouldn't be lost to the ether because they aren't copyrightable for many reasons, one of which being that the ideas contained therein are not original. (Compare this with a coaching DVD where, while the info itself might not be copyrightable, the presentation makes it an original work, and hey, it's usually a duplicate - duh). Though I'd guess Huey and tog are checking with people with more expertise.
But a copy of a playbook is not like a pirated mp3 of a hit song or even a copied DVD of an Alex Gibbs tape or whatever.
ADDENDUM: actually I was just googling and I'm not 100% I'm right that playbooks aren't copyrighted, but I don't know for sure. Like I said I figure tog and Huey have it covered. People need to chill.
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 24, 2008 16:15:13 GMT -6
nearly 3 years worth of posts to read in the trading section ... 1 guy to do it.
you do the math? that's how long before it is back.
we (well, i should not say we, as it is me) must toe the line regarding copyright infringement. there has been some contact since early april regarding this ... which is why many of the trade lists and blatantly public video trades were removed. it is now at the fore front. so, i have to sort through every single post to remove/edit if necessary before i return the section.
think what you want, post what you feel .... but, it is what it is .... copyrighted material was being traded way too much, I was getting calls on it.. and, i take it i'm the only one ... how many of you received a phone call regarding your posting of copyrighted material??? i have, even though i wasn't the one doing the posting. but, it still falls on me (and, eventually, i will include you in that mess) but, neither wants that which means, i will do what i feel is appropriate now to avoid it.
i also find it somewhat amusing that members who have been involved for 2 or 3 years yet only have about 200-300 posts (the greater majority of those in the trading section ASKING for stuff) complaining about how the site has changed and the intent is now different. many coaches buy dvd's, many buy from AFM... uh, makes sense to eliminate a step and simply offer those here... it is nothing more than a common sense union or function.... "hey, i don't have to google or go to another web store to buy dvd's ... i can just click here" ... and, why not "buy local" if you are going to buy?
let's focus on what is actually happening .... * i am personally reading through every post in the trading section (and, yes, coachjerk, it will likely take several months). * i am speaking with several individuals with more expertise in copyright law to see what i can/can't be held accountable for - which will then determine the new guidelines i will follow. * nothing is any different in the cost for you of this site. post all you want. if you are discussing the zone read play and happen to have a great powerpoint for it, then share it right there... no need for a separate section for that. (if all you want is to take a powerpoint for free, then, sorry, you can keep complaining unless someone does include it within the thread). * for now, there is no specific trading section. sharing/posting links to playbooks, powerpoints, etc. is perfectly fine. i just apologize that right now there isn't one single place someone could go to get that information. so, you will have to work a little harder to get your free stuff, i guess.
now, if you SERIOUSLY have a problem then email me your phone number and I will be happy to call you and discuss my site with you.
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Post by midlineqb on Aug 24, 2008 16:57:25 GMT -6
Great post Huey! You are telling it like it is. You are not at fault for the calls you've been getting about copyright infringement, as you said. It is a lot of others.
Really enjoy the discussions on the site. Keep up the great work!
Buddy
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Post by 1ispread on Aug 24, 2008 18:56:30 GMT -6
The site is GREAT!!! Im not concerned whether you call the play 26 power, 46 G or 60 Load, which is what you get from a playbook. I enjoy reading the discussions of how you coach & teach your power play & how you incorporate into the rest of your offense. I dont need a playbook, I have a playbook that I know needs "tweaking" from time to time. Thank you Coach Huey.
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Post by mitch on Aug 24, 2008 19:06:54 GMT -6
Just want to say thanks Coach Huey, Tog and others. Your site is great, and I know the vast majority of us don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Post by Shotgun1 on Aug 24, 2008 20:15:53 GMT -6
This is the best football site on the web and will continue to be the best. The site is about sharing the football coaching experience and the knowledge one accumulates while doing so. If you want to discuss a specific defense/offense or play then post away and expect some answers. If you personally make up a PP or playbook and want to share it, post it. If you want to post/trade pirated marerial openly the guy that made all this possible can get in trouble with the law. I appreciate all Huey and the moderators do to keep this place the best football site.
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Post by ajreaper on Aug 25, 2008 10:39:42 GMT -6
LOL, another example of those who do good things getting slammed for it (at least to some extent)- it's mostly a thankless job but the majority appreciate and understand the time and effort you all put into this- THANKS!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2008 17:47:46 GMT -6
Why do I feel like I just watched a bad movie ??
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Post by coachteed on Aug 27, 2008 20:25:32 GMT -6
Coach Huey,
I understand completely. I also received some calls from people to remove items from my site due to copyright issue.
Sorry I haven't been posting lately. Shoulder surgery, web development business, and my site take time. Sometimes the wife even makes football take a back seat. After 24 years you'd think she'd learn ;D
I'm so far behind I still have playbooks to scan that Gator sent me awhile ago. If you're still around Gator, I didn't forget you
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Post by ampipebulldog on Sept 14, 2008 19:52:08 GMT -6
understand this, but what a shame. This was my university.
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Post by tog on Sept 14, 2008 20:15:13 GMT -6
understand this, but what a shame. This was my university. class is still in session
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Post by tedseay on Oct 6, 2008 10:04:12 GMT -6
PS ask the Ted Seely how he feels about it? The Ted Seely, he is confused about the debate, to say the least...clearly, Huey could have done a better PR job on the transition to selling AFM videos; just as clearly, it's his site and anyone who doesn't like it can go pound sand... I retain a goodly collection of materials that other coaches on this board have shared, so if anyone is looking for a specific item, please feel free to PM me.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 6, 2008 11:36:07 GMT -6
Thanks Ted, you've helped me alot over the years.
I understand totally about the videos, great idea.
What I miss and what I drew from nearly every day was the playbook section. I should have downloaded and kept every playbook on there, but I didn't and I really miss it.
Does anyone know if that will ever be put back up?
Thanks, love the site, and have been helped greatly by it. OJW
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Post by dubber on Oct 6, 2008 17:38:35 GMT -6
The BEST MATERIALS on this whole site is found in the "Articles" section at the top of the page.
I imagine it is also the least used portion.
I have seen at least 20 posts about how to run the smash route, and everytime, I paste the link for Huey's Smash article. That is worth 100 NFL playbooks from the 70's.
Ted Seay's Wild Bunch is to offensive theory what David Hume's Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion was to modern theology.
Ask Ted.....he'll send you the playbook.
We have excellent resources-----the best ones are found among us!
If we are to improve this site, I would love to see more articles written and placed in the "ARTICLES" section. That will be a wealth of knowledge from which the cycle of READ-THINK-POST-LEARN would be magnified.
Thanks Huey.
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Post by poweriguy on Oct 7, 2008 23:10:19 GMT -6
Honestly, I would love to see what members here are doing. Playbooks, Power Points, spreadsheets ect...
Like dubber said, Ted Seay's stuff is great. Also Gunslinger's cross concept is killer. I showed a fellow coach a print out of the thread and he just said "wow". Huey's Smash artical gave me an understanding WHAT a smash concept was. This is mostly a board of high school coaches, and that is what I want to know, football for the high school level.
I've learned WAY more from that stuff, then any 1992 Washington Redskins or 1984 Alabama playbook I've seen.
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Post by tedseay on Oct 9, 2008 6:46:43 GMT -6
Like dubber said, Ted Seay's stuff is great. Thanks (all) for the kind words; if they are true, however, it's because I took a system, built up over a decade, that borrowed from Mouse Davis, Andrew Coverdale and Dan Robinson, and Mark Speckman, and added to it over a few short months Gunslinger's Cross package, Chris (spreadattack) Brown's 3/4 Verticals package, and Huey's Smash concept, as well as some great practical tips for improving the Rocket Sweep series and the Fly/Jet Sweep series. In other words, this site has increased the velocity of circulation for good football ideas...
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