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Post by levydisciple on Aug 22, 2008 22:27:55 GMT -6
Is it just my computer, or did the Playbook Requests/Direct Links to Download forum just disappear?
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Post by coachcb on Aug 22, 2008 22:41:06 GMT -6
I think it has something to do with the Coach Huey DVD store.
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Post by kboyd on Aug 22, 2008 23:54:13 GMT -6
WTF? I guess all good things come to an end - that was always the first section that I went to. Too bad.
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Post by levydisciple on Aug 23, 2008 0:55:18 GMT -6
I guess someone here can ask Coach Huey to put it back up. It really was a great resource and having it just disappear outta the blue is a little disappointing (and that's an understatement- I don't wanna sound ungrateful).
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Post by coachweigelt on Aug 23, 2008 1:19:10 GMT -6
Yeah the DVD Store looks great, but the trade section is gone also... Will that come back??
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Post by crl on Aug 23, 2008 5:38:39 GMT -6
I thought this was a web site for coaches to help or be helped and all the info was free? I have been using this for almost as long as it has been active. As for ungrateful...my hats off to the gentleman who have made this web site possible, but also I must add that many coaches have contributed and made this site special a forum to complain , talk and share. Therefore, I must add my sentiments that I am greatly disappointed that these resources have been culled, especially when they were given in free will as an open resource; with the thought, of helping and sharing the knowledge of the great game that our separate lives revolve around.
" Knowledge is a realm of openness and freedom of thought, for the good of mankind, if I had known that it would be use for its destruction I would have stayed a clerk"... ALBERT EINSTEIN
Sincerely Roldan Leyba
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 23, 2008 6:27:29 GMT -6
Coachhueys store doesnt explain taking down the free playbooks. The membership and participation has grown stagnant since they knocked down the trade list. And now that they have knocked the free playbook outs? Their is a spot for another forum/sight to come along and eat that market up. Unfortunately. The original of this sight was pretty cool.
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Post by MaineManiac on Aug 23, 2008 6:38:41 GMT -6
It was good while it lasted....Thanks to all of you who helped me out. Huey, I'm disappointed in you. You struck me as an individual above such behaviors. To take from coaches with the premise that it is to aid the profession and then to try to spin it for profit is downright wrong. I gave freely of my work and took freely of others. I would expect you would do the same.
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Post by tog on Aug 23, 2008 6:39:13 GMT -6
Huey will address this.
He is in football season as everyone else is and is working on all the code/computer stuff to do a little housework/revamping/improvements to the site. We never want the site to stagnate. The site will always remain free.
The trade section is being reworked and there will be some new rules with it, but the easiest thing for me to do is always just pm the user that is talking about something I am interested in and just plain ask them to trade some info.
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 23, 2008 7:02:04 GMT -6
so we are talking december or jan? Tog, that is nice spin. But he found time to do the changes in the last 36 hours. Now he is in middle of the season? Thats laughable.
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Post by tye2021 on Aug 23, 2008 8:01:10 GMT -6
Wow! How about waiting for Huey to explain whats going on before we start attacking him. As most of you said this site has been a GREAT source of help to me. NOT because of the free downloads but because of you guys and the sharing of ideas, knowledge and opinions. That is why I come to this site. Don't get me wrong I have also visited the Direct links like most of you. But it's the discussions that have help me out the most.
For all this site has been to US, I would hope that you would at least allow Huey to explain the changes BEFORE you start to persicute him.
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Post by MaineManiac on Aug 23, 2008 9:16:04 GMT -6
I wouldn't say attacking - I would say frustrated that our stuff disappears and places where the site moderators can make money emerge without any comment whatsoever.
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Post by phantom on Aug 23, 2008 11:48:24 GMT -6
Guys, this site isn't free, It is for us but not for Huey. Every feature on this site-message board, whiteboard, search function, etc.- costs money. Huey's been footing the bill out of pocket. The DVD deal is primarily a way to recoup those losses
I don't know this for a fact-haven't discussed it with anyone- but I'd guess that the trading section is down because Huey has to edit out posts that offer to trade copyrighted material as part of the deal with AFM. Makes sense to me. Would you do business with somebody who has a section that shops your stuff around for free?
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 11:56:10 GMT -6
Guys, this site isn't free, It is for us but not for Huey. Every feature on this site-message board, whiteboard, search function, etc.- costs money. Huey's been footing the bill out of pocket. The DVD deal is primarily a way to recoup those losses I don't know this for a fact-haven't discussed it with anyone- but I'd guess that the trading section is down because Huey has to edit out posts that offer to trade copyrighted material as part of the deal with AFM. Makes sense to me. Would you do business with somebody who has a section that shops your stuff around for free? I agree here. It makes sense. Even though the title was "trading", I think any reasonable person would recognize that the vast majority weren't "trading" but rather duplicating If you are starting to branch out into some commercial aspects, it makes sense to not provide a section of your website for such activities. I DO however hope that this new dealing doesn't keep us from our ultimate mission, which is to destroy the A-11
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Post by jhanawa on Aug 23, 2008 12:00:17 GMT -6
Are you guys kidding me, Huey creates this site and pours his time and effort into it for the last few years to help coaches he's never met and you guys have the internet balls to rip him for editing his OWN site? Wow.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 12:27:34 GMT -6
Are you guys kidding me, Huey creates this site and pours his time and effort into it for the last few years to help coaches he's never met and you guys have the internet balls to rip him for editing his OWN site? Wow. No kidding. What I find truly amusing is the "liberal hater" is exhibiting a VERY stereotypical LIBERAL behavior...complaining about free stuff. Maybe his Liberal Hater moniker is simply a symbol of self loathing...LOL
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 23, 2008 12:38:42 GMT -6
I have no problem with him selling stuff or even taking free stuff down. Its his website and his money. No problem. I only said that it creates room for competition. The lack of free stuff will leave room for somebody to attract an audience. That is all I said. I do however have a problem with the way they make changes. And the excuses that are made for the way those changes are made.I think I have made myself known on that .
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Post by coachcb on Aug 23, 2008 12:43:18 GMT -6
I have to agree with jh on this one; Huey has produced one of the best football forums around.
A lot of the stuff in the store was material that was being traded and copied illegally; thus Huey's liability. Plus, he has a great thing going here; nothing wrong with making some money off of it. OR AT LEAST RECOUPING HIS EXPENSES.
Now the cat is out of the bag; LETS TALK ABOUT THE "STAGNANT MEMBERSHIP" ISSUE. The issue has a lot less to do with management and more to do with some of the attitudes on this board.
There are several members of this board that continually display a complete and total lack of professionalism within their posts. Personal attacks, grossly biased and uneducated statements, and generally adolescent attitudes are becoming common place. There are several very good coaches (one of whom I work with) who used to provide very good information on this board, but left because they're tired of being attacked.
Before anyone starts pointing a finger at the management of this forum, they need to go back and take a look at the posts on this board. Who really wants to communicate with a group of individuals who want to turn every thread into a pissing match OVER NOTHING.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 12:43:22 GMT -6
I do however have a problem with the way they make changes. And the excuses that are made for the way those changes are made.I think I have made myself known on that . Again, a typical liberal action, complaining about how free things are administered by those paying for / providing said free things. Very Liberal indeed.
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 23, 2008 12:44:34 GMT -6
Guys, this site isn't free, It is for us but not for Huey. Every feature on this site-message board, whiteboard, search function, etc.- costs money. Huey's been footing the bill out of pocket. The DVD deal is primarily a way to recoup those losses I don't know this for a fact-haven't discussed it with anyone- but I'd guess that the trading section is down because Huey has to edit out posts that offer to trade copyrighted material as part of the deal with AFM. Makes sense to me. Would you do business with somebody who has a section that shops your stuff around for free? that answers the question. Their wont be a trading board if that is the deal.
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Post by liberalhater on Aug 23, 2008 12:47:15 GMT -6
CoachD, I dont have problem with those materials disappearing. I can get those materials in a multitude of other places. not to mention I have most of those materials downloade on my cpu already.READ what I wrote. I only have a problem with how they went about letting people know what they were up to.
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Post by MaineManiac on Aug 23, 2008 13:15:30 GMT -6
I have no issue with making the money needed to run the site. It is his site and he can run it how he likes. Obviously he has decided to commercialize. It is America, he can do it. I just thought this was a site to share football materials. It is now clear that CoachHuey.com is a business designed to spin a profit. Again, this is fine. We live in a capitalistic country.
All message boards ultimately come to an end in this fashion. Now many of us need to go in search of a board that is what Huey.com was for the past few years - free, non-profit, and helpful.
My singular issue is that I gave my materials freely thinking all would do the same; all of you have as well. Now, what I gave freely is being commercialized. It is now clear that this initial vision has changed.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 13:33:58 GMT -6
I have no issue with making the money needed to run the site. It is his site and he can run it how he likes. Obviously he has decided to commercialize. It is America, he can do it. I just thought this was a site to share football materials. It is now clear that CoachHuey.com is a business designed to spin a profit. Again, this is fine. We live in a capitalistic country. All message boards ultimately come to an end in this fashion. Now many of us need to go in search of a board that is what Huey.com was for the past few years - free, non-profit, and helpful. My singular issue is that I gave my materials freely thinking all would do the same; all of you have as well. Now, what I gave freely is being commercialized. It is now clear that this initial vision has changed. What??? I don't follow anything you said. What did you mean by "gave my materials freely". What materials are you talking about? It still costs ZERO to be a member and discuss freely on the boards. It still costs ZERO to PM someone and discuss a trade. What vision is being changed? Huey is simply adding a platform to his site, from which people can order videos and books. Videos and Books that coaches buy here from other sites. Now we can link to the purchase here. Hardly a vision change in this respect. The only difference is this site currently does not have a place where a bunch of people post "trade lists" which we all know are not being traded, but rather duplicated. Lastly, I don't understand any griping about "stagnant" membership. This may come off as very elitist, but the VAST VAST majority of "new" posts I see are generally as follows : I just got a job as _______. What type of system should I run? OR What is the best offense to run? What is the best defense to run? I don't see why anyone would be up in arms about not having access to a bunch of playbooks that are pretty much worthless. You might think Nick Saban is a defensive genius..but having a copy of the defensive playbook is not going to get your high school (or lower) football team to play defense like the 2003 LSU tiger team. In fact, without really working with Saban or others similar, the 300 pages are really little more than squiggles and lines.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 23, 2008 13:41:41 GMT -6
People need to chill. Huey will get it set up in the best way that remains open to us and also recoups some money and avoids liability. I'm pretty sure Huey ain't gonna be movin to the Keys on his coachhuey.com income. If people want the free downloads of otherwise copyrighted things, well then people can set up their own deals like Mav or whatever else. Or use private messages.
And let's not use that as why the membership is stagnant; do you really want all your new members only here to get free downloads? Getting more members is complex. I run a site too and I think there's a bit of a cap on the number of people who are interested in becoming part of this kind of online coaching community. (The moderators will have to decide if this kind of site is appropriate for lots and lots of non-coaches who are otherwise interested in football, because as a group they outnumber the tech savvy coaches out there.) As long as the product here is good people will come, and by good product I don't mean lots of free downloads.
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Post by coachweigelt on Aug 23, 2008 14:18:16 GMT -6
It is America, he can do it. This might be offtopic, but this does not only apply for the US. There are other countries you know that, right?
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Post by crl on Aug 23, 2008 14:49:08 GMT -6
Materials that are duplicated are Hueys responsibility, that is a given. But , and I only speak for myself. I have given my own material, again I state" my own material"!... freely with the intent of sharing and passing along what ever information my small brain can give. Their have been others, Brophy for one. We ask no trade, we ask for no info how to defend or what offense to run, and then use it in publications as our own gifted knowledge(I deem myself a Son of the South therefore I will not mention the Poltroon, ops excuse me" gentleman " not Huey but some other film flam person non - gratis or scalliwag...) Now some of you state" hey give Huey a chance", well fine, but he gave us no chance in his change to explain or say hey! "This is my ball and do it my way or I am going home"!. I understand the costs and the expense and time, but their is ads on this site and their is subscriptions too, that garner some kinda of enrichment, whether small or large is not my business, but what is my business is that free trade was established and then broken off. Genteel persons wars have been fought for this reason alone. The fact is this, the sharing part of this network is gone the ultimate freebie,and that is a shame now we have DVD´s to look at and say hey 39.95...it´s at the start of the season and some coaches may need some info for a specific game, maybe one of you capitalist make dough at any cost, (wonder why China owns our A´sses type, instead of listing to Rush, try reading the Wall Street Journal for the truth!") type. I myself will still visit the place,( sentimental type) but what I know, which is very little stops after this postings. As W.C. Fields Epitaph reads" I rather be in Philadelphia"... Adios and Asta la Vista Baby CRL
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 14:53:57 GMT -6
Materials that are duplicated are Hueys responsibility, that is a given. But , and I only speak for myself. I have given my own material, again I state" my own material"!... freely with the intent of sharing and passing along what ever information my small brain can give. Their have been others, Brophy for one. We ask no trade, we ask for no info how to defend or what offense to run, and then use it in publications as our own gifted knowledge(I deem myself a Son of the South therefore I will not mention the Poltroon, ops excuse me" gentleman " not Huey but some other film flam person non - gratis or scalliwag...) Now some of you state" hey give Huey a chance", well fine, but he gave us no chance in his change to explain or say hey! "This is my ball and do it my way or I am going home"!. I understand the costs and the expense and time, but their is ads on this site and their is subscriptions too, that garner some kinda of enrichment, whether small or large is not my business, but what is my business is that free trade was established and then broken off. Genteel persons wars have been fought for this reason alone. The fact is this, the sharing part of this network is gone the ultimate freebie,and that is a shame now we have DVD´s to look at and say hey 39.95...it´s at the start of the season and some coaches may need some info for a specific game, maybe one of you capitalist make dough at any cost, (wonder why China owns our A´sses type, instead of listing to Rush, try reading the Wall Street Journal for the truth!") type. I myself will still visit the place,( sentimental type) but what I know, which is very little stops after this postings. As W.C. Fields Epitaph reads" I rather be in Philadelphia"... Adios and Asta la Vista Baby CRL Again...WHAT? ? How does NOT having a trade/playbook section of a message board have ANYTHING to do with what you are talking about? I love the fact that in the first statement, you acknowledge that duplicated materials may fall under Huey's responsibility (and these represented the VAST VAST VAST majority of items) and then say "oh, but I put up my own stuff" (and what stuff would that be?) Please tell me, what is keeping you from sharing "your materials" with this new format? The only difference I see is that the site no longer has a designated place to aid in copywrite violations. Something else I noticed in the trade/playbook section...I rarely if ever saw anyone bold enough to ask to trade any of Darrin Slack's C4 or R4 materials..(because they know he is a member here). Just an observation.
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Post by crl on Aug 23, 2008 14:59:31 GMT -6
5085.... this is what this thread started as...the section of the material that was donated by coaches is gone, left, no more, taken off, demised...we as contributors built it up to share for FREE with other coaches...are you in Florida and not hydrating during double days? Hable english? Sparche english, Par le vous (ENGLISH) can´t spell for beans ? Did you wear a helmet with a liner in your playing days?
Sorry was to be my last info message....but I am thinking of getting a special ed certification...thought I would start now.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 23, 2008 15:07:05 GMT -6
5085.... this is what this thread started as...the section of the material that was donated by coaches is gone, left, no more, taken off, demised...we as contributors built it up to share for FREE with other coaches...are you in Florida and not hydrating during double days? Hable english? Sparche english, Par le vous englese? Did you wear a helmet with a liner in your playing days? Parle vous Anglais. not Englese.. Again, what is different? WHAT did you build up to share free with other coaches? That is my point? WHAT materials? And WHAT is keeping you from sharing with coaches now??? Most importantly, KEEP IN MIND that this "change" is all of a few hours old, and we don't really know what the end result will be. The messages boards are far and away the crux of this site, not the playbook/trading section. I have been exchanging ideas ALL morning for FREE.. that hasn't changed.
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Post by crl on Aug 23, 2008 15:08:01 GMT -6
I never traded, or used any copy written applications that I knew of, once I asked for some free soft ware for my palm pilot, never got a response mi culpa, I went to mass and confession for that...as for material when I say my own, it was just that...and by the way did I not send you some defense stuff on the double eagle flex, or have I mixed up you up or have you forgotten...PS ask the Ted Seely how he feels about it? As for contributions...I placed several Playbooks(not that they helped), and defensive and offensive ppts on this site, gratis! If the site was up you could cross reference them, holy mackerel, its down! As Charlie Chan stated" Sorry, my mistake, or should I say your error?"
the message is my last...I hope. Copying this for my on line course for my Masters in Cranial Depressions and similar sports injuries.
Sorry learned my French in Canada...coaching 12 receivers at once eh!
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