bpj
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Post by bpj on Jun 5, 2008 9:34:21 GMT -6
So, I look at our upcoming schedule and Evangel is coming to Austin TX to play Lake Travis HS ('07 TX State 4A Champs) this fall. Can't wait to see that game. Man, I'm ready for some football!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 5, 2008 11:22:45 GMT -6
ECA is a far cry from what they were 5 or 6 years ago. The "play in class" rule, coupled with the church split/Calvary Baptist football program has relegated ECA to a smaller school state power, A VERY good H.S team regardless of class, but far from the national power they once were. They also are different schematically, and curiously enough racially (Since the formation of the Calvary Baptist team, and the departure of John Booty from the ECA ranks to the Calvary sidelines, ECA has been playing with a great deal more black kids than they did from their glory years of ,93-04. Just pointing out a difference, not making any inferences. )
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Post by airraider on Jun 5, 2008 20:55:33 GMT -6
ECA is a far cry from what they were 5 or 6 years ago. The "play in class" rule, coupled with the church split/Calvary Baptist football program has relegated ECA to a smaller school state power, A VERY good H.S team regardless of class, but far from the national power they once were. They also are different schematically, and curiously enough racially (Since the formation of the Calvary Baptist team, and the departure of John Booty from the ECA ranks to the Calvary sidelines, ECA has been playing with a great deal more black kids than they did from their glory years of ,93-04. Just pointing out a difference, not making any inferences. ) They will be rather decent this year due to several really good skill players returning. The QB will be back and he is well above average.. Cerderrick Tyson could end up playing anywhere on the field and is VERY dynamic.. is a decent QB as well.. But, like CoachD said.. they are no where near where they were 5 or so years back.. but still a very good football team.
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Post by coachkill22 on Jun 7, 2008 5:38:18 GMT -6
One of the guys I used to coach with is helping out the freshman team there. Its like a small college program. Top Notch. He loves it there.
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Post by Coach JR on Jun 8, 2008 13:01:44 GMT -6
ECA came to Alabama to play Hoover HS about 3-4 years back. Nothing impressive compared to the best team in AL. A year or so later Hoover scheduled John Curtis. JC put a power football whippin' on VERY good Hoover team.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2008 14:16:04 GMT -6
auburn
Just in case you weren't aware, ECA's enrollment is approximately 250-280 students in grades 9-12. During the schools best years, it was probably less than 250. Hoover's is nearly 10 TIMES that (2251 in 2005-2006)
Curtis is the same.
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Post by Coach JR on Jun 8, 2008 15:49:01 GMT -6
Yep, I understand and knew that. I also understand approximately half the student body plays football, but that's just hearsay. They've been accused of recruiting. I'm not going to get in to that, but it's clear they're a football factory. (don't mean that derogotory either) And they play in 5A as I understand. How many divisions are there? 5A in AL would be a 9-12 enrollment of about between @400-600. 6A our largest is about 700 and up. Hoover currently has 1700 enrollment. In AL ECA would be a 3A and would stomp the snot out of any 3 A team, but ECA fields a team as big as any 6A team in AL. Or am I mistaken? 100+ players? How are they classified so high?
I watched the videos of ECA too...very impressive. I was just noting that they came here with a great reputation, and Hoover beat them badly. Maybe I'm mistaken, but they appeared to have pretty close to equal numbers of players, but I may misremember.
Edit to add: I did a little research and see that they are now smaller. Or are they just reclassified? Looks like their roster is about 75 strong. And they won a 1A 2005 State Championship. It was a bigger team that came to play Hoover. But I guess that's due to what you noted in your post abouve about the split and "play in class" deal.
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Post by airraider on Jun 8, 2008 18:19:48 GMT -6
Yep, I understand and knew that. I also understand approximately half the student body plays football, but that's just hearsay. They've been accused of recruiting. I'm not going to get in to that, but it's clear they're a football factory. (don't mean that derogotory either) And they play in 5A as I understand. How many divisions are there? 5A in AL would be a 9-12 enrollment of about between @400-600. 6A our largest is about 700 and up. Hoover currently has 1700 enrollment. In AL ECA would be a 3A and would stomp the snot out of any 3 A team, but ECA fields a team as big as any 6A team in AL. Or am I mistaken? 100+ players? How are they classified so high? I watched the videos of ECA too...very impressive. I was just noting that they came here with a great reputation, and Hoover beat them badly. Maybe I'm mistaken, but they appeared to have pretty close to equal numbers of players, but I may misremember. Edit to add: I did a little research and see that they are now smaller. Or are they just reclassified? Looks like their roster is about 75 strong. And they won a 1A 2005 State Championship. It was a bigger team that came to play Hoover. But I guess that's due to what you noted in your post abouve about the split and "play in class" deal. Prior to the 05 school year schools in Louisiana were allowed to play up in classification. It was then decided that you could only play up if that class voted to allow it. This made Evangel go from 5A down to 1A and John Curtis go from 4A down to 2A. During those two years, Evangel played teams that barely fielded enough players to play. They easily could have rewritten all of the record books that year.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2008 18:38:35 GMT -6
Yep, I understand and knew that. I also understand approximately half the student body plays football, but that's just hearsay. They've been accused of recruiting. I'm not going to get in to that, but it's clear they're a football factory. (don't mean that derogotory either) And they play in 5A as I understand. How many divisions are there? 5A in AL would be a 9-12 enrollment of about between @400-600. 6A our largest is about 700 and up. Hoover currently has 1700 enrollment. In AL ECA would be a 3A and would stomp the snot out of any 3 A team, but ECA fields a team as big as any 6A team in AL. Or am I mistaken? 100+ players? How are they classified so high? I watched the videos of ECA too...very impressive. I was just noting that they came here with a great reputation, and Hoover beat them badly. Maybe I'm mistaken, but they appeared to have pretty close to equal numbers of players, but I may misremember. Edit to add: I did a little research and see that they are now smaller. Or are they just reclassified? Looks like their roster is about 75 strong. And they won a 1A 2005 State Championship. It was a bigger team that came to play Hoover. But I guess that's due to what you noted in your post abouve about the split and "play in class" deal. Hoover has dropped 500 students in just 3 years? Wow. Did a new school open up? Now, I am not defending ECA. In fact, I am NOT a big fan of the school at all (Have you ever heard of a school with such support/enthusiasm towards one sport that they can DOMINATE schools 6 times their size, BUT they can't even field a girls basketball team? Happened to ECA one year. ) I just wanted to make sure you had all the facts.
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Post by coachhortman on Jun 8, 2008 19:03:00 GMT -6
Since I am a coach on staff, I may be able to answer some of the questions that auburn had about us. We are about75 strong on the field. Our enrollment numbers have picked up a lot in the last two years as we did get over a split in which several people followed Coach Booty to Calvary. Last year we had so many kids in our jr high we had to form separate teams (one for the seventh grade and one for the eighth grade). Fully expect our numbers in the next year to grow back closer to 100 players. First time since I have been there that had been done. I have been coaching there since 2002. Before that we had always had one team. The 03 loss to Hoover was a lot closer than you remember, we threw a pick at the end of the fourth quarter that basically ended the game for us. Hoover was a very good football team that year but so were we. That year we had a killer schedule with Longview, Rockhurst, Hoover, and DeLaSalle to put it mildly and we lost in the state title game also. We are looking forward to our schedule this year as we are playing Shiloh Christian (4A) out of Springdale,Ark, Westgate (5A state semifinalist), Lake Travis (4A state champs from Texas and Bastrop (4A state champs from La and has a 45 game winning streak). Calvary is in our district and gave us our first loss in 17 years last year at the end of the game. So we play a good schedule plus play Airline (5A) in a preseason scrimmage and Arkansas High in a jamboree before the first game. So we have our work cut out for us. Back when I first got to ECA, we had over a 100 players but due to the success of the other sports in the last 2 years, more kids are deciding to specialize it seems. Our baseball team won the state championship in 06 and was runner-ups to Calvary this past season in the state championship. Our track team took several members to the state meet and our basketball team has been doing pretty fair also. Matter of fact, our baseball team had no seniors this past year so I know they are looking forward to next year. We lost only one player from defense last year so I figure our defense to be our strength next year. We have a senior QB and has a good supporting cast around him. Several members of our coaching staff played at ECA as players but have returned to coach so they know what it takes to win the state title. Just this past weekend, we won the ULM (University of La in Monroe) 7 on 7 tournament and looking forward to the rest of the 7 on 7 summer season. We are in 2A and I expect our enrollment to possibly go to 3A next reclassification, we shall see. Our school has classes from K5-12th grade. The road to the state championship goes though John Curtis as they won last year's title and beat us in the semifinals. We are in the midst of bulding a new fieldhouse and new weightroom plus just got a new football field totally redone with a new grass field last year. My favorite part of being involved with ECA is the fact that we try to arm our kids with our faith in Jesus and that is better than any state title. Looking forward to a season of trying to win the games on our schedule.
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Post by coachhortman on Jun 8, 2008 19:17:17 GMT -6
In answer to Coach about our girls team, he is right, one year we did not field a team as all our girls wanted to be on the dance line, cheerleading or played softball. The last two years our girls basketball team have made the playoffs only to lose after a couple rounds. One reason we dominated bigger teams during our glory years is we had a seasoned veteran coaching staff and that we threw the ball very well. The spread never really hit until the early 2000's in La. Not knowing it then but we had 7 NFL players on our roster back during 1999 though 2003. Kids like Brock Berlin (Rams), John David Booty (Vikings), Jacob Hester (Chargers), Chase Pittman (Browns), Chad Johnson (Chiefs), Richard Smith (Chiefs) and Jonathan Wade (Rams). I hope that we can continue to teach kids about the game and play at a high level.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2008 19:46:40 GMT -6
In answer to Coach about our girls team, he is right, one year we did not field a team as all our girls wanted to be on the dance line, cheerleading or played softball. The last two years our girls basketball team have made the playoffs only to lose after a couple rounds. One reason we dominated bigger teams during our glory years is we had a seasoned veteran coaching staff and that we threw the ball very well. The spread never really hit until the early 2000's in La. Not knowing it then but we had 7 NFL players on our roster back during 1999 though 2003. Kids like Brock Berlin (Rams), John David Booty (Vikings), Jacob Hester (Chargers), Chase Pittman (Browns), Chad Johnson (Chiefs), Richard Smith (Chiefs) and Jonathan Wade (Rams). I hope that we can continue to teach kids about the game and play at a high level. Coach, just to be clear, I wasn't insinuating anything illegal. Simply stating that the environment of the school is DECIDEDLY football. It is all about the hidden curriculum. Your roster back then (and even now) and Curtis's roster look absolutely nothing like any other 2A roster in the state on a yearly basis. Both schools attribute this to "harder work, more school spirit, better coaching, better atmosphere, and students being attracted to the school" My question ..if all of the above are true, and that was the reason for over 100+ boys in the football program with 7 NFL athletes in a few years span...how could those same traits not end up with 7 girls who wanted to play basketball? Of course, you are darned if you do and darned if you don't. I suppose had you stayed in 1A back then, and won football/baseball championships, along with being competitive in other sports, people would have complained about that too. Bottom line with regards to football is that ECA does it harder and better than most out there.
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Post by Coach JR on Jun 8, 2008 20:21:25 GMT -6
Coach5085,
Im going by the Alabama HS Ath. Assoc. numbers for reclassification 2008-2010. Oak Mtn. and Spain Park opened up in the last few years, but to be honest I cant recall when. I'm thinking that Spain Park may have blead down Hoover this last decade, but I dont know how they made the transition.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2008 20:27:31 GMT -6
AUBURN-- often athletic association classification numbers...are for 3 classes (fresh,soph, jr. or soph,jr, sr ) not the entire school. Not sure how the numbers you reported are gathered, BUT that would make sense (that the 1700 number you gave is a 3 class number, providing of course, that the numbers I got were correct)
I am surprised at the enrollment variances in the top class in Bama. I think 700+ being the top class is not a very good way to do it if you have other schools with 2000+
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Post by coachhortman on Jun 8, 2008 21:11:27 GMT -6
Coach, You are right,most of the schools that I have coached in the primary sport has been football and I have been coaching in private schools for most of the last 20 years. Since I have been at ECA, I have been the head jr high boys basketball coach and helped the jr high girls team back in 02 and 03. Most of our girls back then did not like to run the floor which is my favorite thing to do with a basketball team. I have coached basketball for years until the last 3, I came to ECA because of the football program to be truthful, since that is my favorite sport. All of our sports are doing really well the last couple years both boys and girls. I don't have a answer to why girls did not want to play basketball, I know I tried to recruit girls out of the hall to play but they did not want to do so at that time. Even our principal tried very hard since she used to play basketball back then but to no avail. Thank You for the compliment about our success. A old phrase is coined when I say this but "if you will build it, they will come. Well, in the city of Shreveport, ECA is known for football and honestly young men want to come play where the school has had success. Lately, Calvary's facilities have attracted many from the public schools also. Only two public schools within the parish (our word for counties)has their own stadium. All the private schools have their own stadium in town. Ever since I played football, I was taught football sets the tone for the rest of the year, well, you are right at ECA it helps set the tone for the other sports. I understand that you meant nothing was illegal but you have to understand that football is very popular in our area and parents like their kids to succeed, that is why I guess every since we have played the spread game it has been successful.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 8, 2008 21:43:37 GMT -6
. A old phrase is coined when I say this but "if you will build it, they will come. Well, in the city of Shreveport, ECA is known for football and honestly young men want to come play where the school has had success. I think this is actually the attitude that causes some of the scorn from the rest of Louisiana. I know it does down south (originally with JC) The question that can't really be answered though coach, is if the "build it and they will come" model has produced such EXTRAORDINARY results in football, but..just "ordinary" success in every other endeavor. That is the key. Squads with 100+ kids, double digit scholarship teams, front lines averaging well over 270lbs... but..in all other endeavors, just an ordinary solid small private school, no different than loyola prep, or OC or st martins, or newman... That is where much of the "second guessing" comes into play. But folks... the Eagles can flat out play football..and they support their team. I LOVE the halftime at the dome... with spirit groups all the way from the elementary level there performing. Good stuff.
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Post by Coach JR on Jun 9, 2008 3:43:30 GMT -6
AUBURN-- often athletic association classification numbers...are for 3 classes (fresh,soph, jr. or soph,jr, sr ) not the entire school. Not sure how the numbers you reported are gathered, BUT that would make sense (that the 1700 number you gave is a 3 class number, providing of course, that the numbers I got were correct) I am surprised at the enrollment variances in the top class in Bama. I think 700+ being the top class is not a very good way to do it if you have other schools with 2000+ I don't know how they take the numbers, but when I checked a couple of other sources, I see that the numbers used for athletic classification and the actual enrollment are different, and seem to be using 3 classes like you suggested. As for fairness, I agree. The lowest enrollment school in AL 6A is @ 680, while the highest is 2000+. To me that ought to be divided at least in to 2 classes. The problem is, I think, there's 2 schools (Hoover and Bob Jones) with 1700 and 2000, and then a bunch in the 900-1200 range. I just don't see how they'd do it fairly. If they did, Hoover and Bob Jones would only have 2-3 schools they fairly competed with. And to my knowledge Bob Jones hasn't won anything in my memory. Like ECA, Hoover has been accused of recruiting in the past. Never could be proved. My alma mater was accused of it in Baseball. Vestavia Hills won the 6A Baseball title all but 2 years in the decade of the 90s. Hoover HS won something like 6 6A Football titles in the late 90s-2006. Any school having that much success will come under fire from those they compete against. Same with ECA. If ECA is "attracting people" to move and take advantage of the success in order to give their kid a better chance...I can understand that.
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Post by coachhortman on Jun 9, 2008 6:09:40 GMT -6
Rush Propst had a great thing there going on at Hoover. The faclities there are awesome. We go to the National select 7 on 7 tourney every year. Hoover, Katy TX, SLC (TX) Byrnes (SC), Delasalle (CA) and many more successful programs come under fire because they win on a yearly basis. Rumors and stories of cheating is always floating around because in our society, folks want to think if you are winning, you must be cheating. Our country has changed in the last 20 years in the way they think of high school sports.
Our non-district schedule always gets us ready for the district and state playoffs. By the time district rolls around we are definately battletested. Hopefully we can stay injury free during this stretch.
Speaking of new schools around Hoover, Spain Park is the newest kid on the block and I heard last year they were thinking of building another new school out there as well so that may cut into Hoover's population. I look forward to seeing what the new coach of Hoover does with the team this next year. I just wonder if they are still going to use the Tony Franklin offense system or go to something else.
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Post by Coach JR on Jun 9, 2008 6:19:21 GMT -6
Rush Propst had a great thing there going on at Hoover. The faclities there are awesome. We go to the National select 7 on 7 tourney every year. Hoover, Katy TX, SLC (TX) Byrnes (SC), Delasalle (CA) and many more successful programs come under fire because they win on a yearly basis. Rumors and stories of cheating is always floating around because in our society, folks want to think if you are winning, you must be cheating. Our country has changed in the last 20 years in the way they think of high school sports. Our non-district schedule always gets us ready for the district and state playoffs. By the time district rolls around we are definately battletested. Hopefully we can stay injury free during this stretch. Speaking of new schools around Hoover, Spain Park is the newest kid on the block and I heard last year they were thinking of building another new school out there as well so that may cut into Hoover's population. I look forward to seeing what the new coach of Hoover does with the team this next year. I just wonder if they are still going to use the Tony Franklin offense system or go to something else. Spain Park went deep in the playoffs this last season. Good program. I don't even know who the new coach at Hoover is. No way they wont still be good with all the kids and resources. As I understand it, Propst and Franklin are friends, but had a parting of ways as to offensive philosophy. The "spread" is making it's way through HS football in AL, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of it remain.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 9, 2008 12:28:00 GMT -6
Rush Propst had a great thing there going on at Hoover. The faclities there are awesome. We go to the National select 7 on 7 tourney every year. Hoover, Katy TX, SLC (TX) Byrnes (SC), Delasalle (CA) and many more successful programs come under fire because they win on a yearly basis. Rumors and stories of cheating is always floating around because in our society, folks want to think if you are winning, you must be cheating. Our country has changed in the last 20 years in the way they think of high school sports. Our non-district schedule always gets us ready for the district and state playoffs. By the time district rolls around we are definately battletested. Hopefully we can stay injury free during this stretch. Speaking of new schools around Hoover, Spain Park is the newest kid on the block and I heard last year they were thinking of building another new school out there as well so that may cut into Hoover's population. I look forward to seeing what the new coach of Hoover does with the team this next year. I just wonder if they are still going to use the Tony Franklin offense system or go to something else. When you have success at ANYTHING in the US these days, be prepared for the detractors. Instead of following in the same footsteps, holding the successful up for praise, inspiration and study it is much easier to do nothing, criticize, marginalize, exaggerate to bring the successful down to everyone elses level. Its something we see more and more of every day in our society, we love to see the big dogs fall flat on their faces and pick at any tiny percieved flaw in the successful, it's called the green eyed devil of jealousy and covetousness. Of course the reason in differences dont have anyting to do coaching, effort or decsion making. The book Atlas Shrugged should be required reading for all the naysayers. My hat is off to a school like ECA who goes out of its way to schedule teams with 5x to 10x their enrollment, when most coaches have a problem if their school has 1200 kids and they have to play someone with 1500. Coach, best of "luck" and more importantly great job on fullfilling the more important mission.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 10, 2008 15:56:36 GMT -6
Rush Propst had a great thing there going on at Hoover. The faclities there are awesome. We go to the National select 7 on 7 tourney every year. Hoover, Katy TX, SLC (TX) Byrnes (SC), Delasalle (CA) and many more successful programs come under fire because they win on a yearly basis. Rumors and stories of cheating is always floating around because in our society, folks want to think if you are winning, you must be cheating. Our country has changed in the last 20 years in the way they think of high school sports. Our non-district schedule always gets us ready for the district and state playoffs. By the time district rolls around we are definately battletested. Hopefully we can stay injury free during this stretch. Speaking of new schools around Hoover, Spain Park is the newest kid on the block and I heard last year they were thinking of building another new school out there as well so that may cut into Hoover's population. I look forward to seeing what the new coach of Hoover does with the team this next year. I just wonder if they are still going to use the Tony Franklin offense system or go to something else. Spain Park went deep in the playoffs this last season. Good program. I don't even know who the new coach at Hoover is. No way they wont still be good with all the kids and resources. As I understand it, Propst and Franklin are friends, but had a parting of ways as to offensive philosophy. The "spread" is making it's way through HS football in AL, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of it remain. Coach, Ive seen your game program, suiting up SO MANY 9th graders to play varsity, even an 8th grader and not a ton of size either. Your team is No bigger (players over 200 lbs) than our local HS that plays class B, is .500 and has about 900 or so students. To play that aggressive a schedule is quite amazing with such young squads. At the youth level when I had the Omaha program we went from worst and struggling to first and dominating and had a HUGE influx of players with little to no recruiting from us other than flyers at LOCAL schools and a punt pass and kick event. We ended up getting kids from all over town that we had never seen, heard of or met. We heard the same thing from the green eyed monsters, just learned to ignore it and laugh it off. Now in the rural area Im in we have to turn away kids that live 30 miles away in Lincoln that we have no clue who they are, but they want to drive here to play, THIS SEASON . It happens without any effort whatsoever.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 10, 2008 16:29:35 GMT -6
No doubt about that at all Dave. I don't think ANYONE, even ECA's biggest detractors have ever accused ECA of not trying to schedule the toughest opponents out there.
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Post by airraider on Jun 10, 2008 18:44:42 GMT -6
Spain Park went deep in the playoffs this last season. Good program. I don't even know who the new coach at Hoover is. No way they wont still be good with all the kids and resources. As I understand it, Propst and Franklin are friends, but had a parting of ways as to offensive philosophy. The "spread" is making it's way through HS football in AL, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of it remain. Coach, Ive seen your game program, suiting up SO MANY 9th graders to play varsity, even an 8th grader and not a ton of size either. Your team is No bigger (players over 200 lbs) than our local HS that plays class B, is .500 and has about 900 or so students. To play that aggressive a schedule is quite amazing with such young squads. At the youth level when I had the Omaha program we went from worst and struggling to first and dominating and had a HUGE influx of players with little to no recruiting from us other than flyers at LOCAL schools and a punt pass and kick event. We ended up getting kids from all over town that we had never seen, heard of or met. We heard the same thing from the green eyed monsters, just learned to ignore it and laugh it off. Now in the rural area Im in we have to turn away kids that live 30 miles away in Lincoln that we have no clue who they are, but they want to drive here to play, THIS SEASON . It happens without any effort whatsoever. I will disagree about the players over 200lbs.. the way those suckers work out.. they have some nice size lads..
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Post by davecisar on Jun 10, 2008 19:19:21 GMT -6
Ive seen the roster, it was e-mailed to me. 20 kids 200 or above and one of the biggest kids was their kicker Only 3 kids above 250 and biggest kid 279
FEWER than the local .500 class B High School (22 kids 200 or over last season) Small by class A standards here who often have 200+ kids out for football.
Tons of 9th graders suiting up. Including a 5'3" 152 pound defensive linemen. They have a 4'10" 102 lb CB they suit up for varsity, a 9th grader as well as 4 kids 145 lbs or less on a 55 man squad.
Defintiely not huge by most standards if you compare them to their pre-season schedule or the schedule they like to play or the Class A and B teams around here.
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Post by coachhortman on Jun 10, 2008 21:49:36 GMT -6
Hey Coach, I have been at ECA since 2002, our schedule has always been tough and has me shaking my head sometimes wondering what in the world are we doing scheduling these folks but in the end we are battletested. There has been some years we have taken some butt whuppins like playing SLC, Longview in 05, Texas High in 05 but it has always helped us in the end result. While we may not weigh as much as say a West Monroe, we normally have a fast defense that can run. The last few years that has been our strength. We cut noone from the squad provided that they make all workouts during the summer unless it is something beyond their control such as a injury or something. We like to keep kids included even if they are not a first or second teamer. I believe it is important for a kid to be involved for several reasons. Self esteem, friends, stay in good shape, stay out of trouble, and so many more reasons I could think of. There has been many a time where a kid did not look like he was going to be a athlete only to bloom either his junior or senior year. It is important for kids to learn the value of hard work and the benefits of that work. It is important for kids to be shown that they are appreciated and loved regardless of their athletic talents. While we may not be huge in the lb department, I do believe we teach our kids to have a huge heart. You have to have heart to play this game. I also like it when seniors adopt these younger kids to help bring them along, that is a joy to see also.
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Post by airraider on Jun 10, 2008 22:13:35 GMT -6
Ive seen the roster, it was e-mailed to me. 20 kids 200 or above and one of the biggest kids was their kicker Only 3 kids above 250 and biggest kid 279 FEWER than the local .500 class B High School (22 kids 200 or over last season) Small by class A standards here who often have 200+ kids out for football. Tons of 9th graders suiting up. Including a 5'3" 152 pound defensive linemen. They have a 4'10" 102 lb CB they suit up for varsity, a 9th grader as well as 4 kids 145 lbs or less on a 55 man squad. Defintiely not huge by most standards if you compare them to their pre-season schedule or the schedule they like to play or the Class A and B teams around here. As a 4A school.. I would love to have 20 kids over 200lbs.. we have about 11.. out of those 11.. only 6 or so are good looking 200lbs+ Evangel's 220lbs kids are SOLID.. im not saying they are huge.. but they have some good looking kids.. and besides.. chill out.. I was paying them a compliment..
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 7:22:27 GMT -6
AR, Youve said a bunch of times you have a ton of athleticism on your team, surprised at the size. On Millard Norths Varsity team last year alone they have: 32 kids over 200 lbs 6 kids 280 or above. mustangbooster.com/team.htmThats just on their varsity roster. They have lots of 200 lb kids on JV, Reserve and their 2 Frosh teams as well. As you saw from their roster just a handfull of Sophs suiting up and just 1 freshman ( his big brother is an NU LB) Evangel here was suiting up everyone they had on one team. If Millard North did that Im sure they would have 60-70 kids over 200 suited up. I guess we grow em bigger up here Kids grow up lifting weights here, part of the football culture here for a long time.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 11, 2008 8:03:30 GMT -6
Evangels varsity roster BTW has 9 kids that are Frosh or Sophs that are over 200, so that would mean 11 kids over 200 as Juniors or Seniors. similar to your numbers. My guess is in many HS programs a good number of those underclassmen dont see the field or suit for varsity, they play JV, Reserve or Frosh ball at 5A-4A level ( A and B here). Obviously you are closer to the situation than most, but obviously they seem to be doing a lot of things right.
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Post by airraider on Jun 11, 2008 9:48:20 GMT -6
Evangels varsity roster BTW has 9 kids that are Frosh or Sophs that are over 200, so that would mean 11 kids over 200 as Juniors or Seniors. similar to your numbers. My guess is in many HS programs a good number of those underclassmen dont see the field or suit for varsity, they play JV, Reserve or Frosh ball at 5A-4A level ( A and B here). Obviously you are closer to the situation than most, but obviously they seem to be doing a lot of things right. I think the main difference is.. Evangel being a private school has mostly kids who are there as football players because they want to be there to play football.. where as my bigger kids.. they are just like.. "sure, I'll play".. their kids work hard and they RARELY have the big heavy's that are just playing to play.. their kids put in the work year round and are very much in shape.. Most of the other inner city schools around here have those 6'2 300lb'ers.. sloppy.. but big.. we dont.. have 2 kids who I would consider sloppy.. the other "big" kids.. are maybe a little pudgy.. but they are still good looking kids.. would I want some bigger kids?? Sure, even if they were sloppy.. I wouldnt have them on the Oline.. but would be nice to play some bigger D-linemen.. Most teams around here rely on these big boys to lean on you while their little scat backs run by you.. We are trying to bring a new style of football to the area.. mainly because we have to.. we have NO one to lean on people.. lol
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Post by brophy on Jun 11, 2008 9:56:54 GMT -6
I think the main difference is.. Evangel being a private school has mostly kids who are there as football players because they want to be there to play football.. where as my bigger kids.. they are just like.. "sure, I'll play".. the other dynamic involved with a PRIVATE (and religious) environment is; 1) TUITION -> INVOLVEMENT - if I am spending $$$ amount each semester, as a parent, I'm darn sure little Billy is 110% all in with weights, practice, playbook, homework, etc. If he is not starting (and the reason I have him in that environment is to excel at football), then I am applying pressure to billy or the coaches. Expectations are quite different. This expectation also plays a big role in how organized and "big-time" these programs are. All programs are run efficiently and budgeted like a college. 2) PRIVATE V. PUBLIC - Private school can abide by whatever practices and policy it deems appropriate. Corporal punishment is okay at private schools..... practice Saturday & Sunday? No problem. 3) RELIGION - effort is equated / extension of worship. Loafing and participation can easily be tied to your stewardship of God-given ability. That doesn't always relate to the public kid I look at schools like John Curtis, Cavalry, and Evangel, and some folks would argue that they 'steal' or cherry-pick athletes. I actually think that these schools for all intents and purposes perform a ministry to many of these athletes. They provide them with all the tools necessary to be their best and develop their potential, whereas in MANY public programs those kids would likely be wasted and never tap into their own personal potential. that being said, enjoy the Cerderrick Tyson show....great athlete
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