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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 1:35:02 GMT -6
how many hours do you get in during the season?
monday-get to school at 6am get home at 9pm tuesday-get to school at 6am get to home at 9pm wed-get to school at 6 am get home at 9pm thursday-get to school at 6am get home at 11pm or so, depending on how far the jv game is away friday-get to school at 6am get home at 2pm sat-get to school at 7am get home about 5pm sun-get to school at 10am get home about 8pm
during the season i get about 5 hours sleep a night what about you guys?
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 2, 2007 1:46:56 GMT -6
I get about 3-4 hrs of sleep a night during the season and off season. I go to bed about 4-5am and get up between 7:30am and 8:00am. I spend 95 percent of my time learning football, 3 percent with family, 5 percent on school.(OK maybe i need to spend more time on school)
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Post by airitout616 on Dec 2, 2007 3:45:08 GMT -6
Way to go 103% LOL PS just giving you a hard time.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Dec 2, 2007 5:01:43 GMT -6
how many hours do you get in during the season? monday-get to school at 6am get home at 9pm tuesday-get to school at 6am get to home at 9pm wed-get to school at 6 am get home at 9pm thursday-get to school at 6am get home at 11pm or so, depending on how far the jv game is away friday-get to school at 6am get home at 2pm sat-get to school at 7am get home about 5pm sun-get to school at 10am get home about 8pm this is a typical schedule for texas hs football coaches during the season i get about 5 hours sleep a night what about you guys? Tog can you break down in more detail what a typical week is like. would be very interested. Bryan
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 9:29:52 GMT -6
friday night-game, get home, make trade copies, download to computer
sat-get to school, watch and grade film from the night before, 3 angles, tite, wide, endzone, kids in at 10 for treatment and washout, then watch film with kids, send kids out about 12, start watching trade tapes, just a flow through watch to get an idea, then break down, then go through playlist and take stuff out, go home sat night, once home, draw some things up, ideas, to take into gameplanning session on sun
sunday-watch specific chunks of film, to nail it down, then gameplan and get scripts and schedules ready for the week, make sure that practice percentages on plays ran=what we think we will run in the game
monday-get to school at 6am, work on lesson plans, check scripts again--go to class, go to athletics, go to class, go to practice, meet about practice (not long) get scripts ready for the next day
tues-same as monday, if lesson stuff is ready-then use the time to watch more film
wed-same thing
thurs-same thing, except practice is kick the field, then go to jv game and get home whenever that is
then do it all again
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 9:34:29 GMT -6
here it is all nice and typed up from my hfc packet
MONDAY – Workday – 36 periods– Installment of Gameplan 4 periods – Special Teams 16 periods – Offense 16 periods – Defense
TUESDAY – Workday – 32 periods – Fundamental stressed work out 4 periods – Special Teams 14 Periods – Offense 14 Periods – Defense
WEDNESDAY – Workday – 28 periods - Fundamental stressed work out 4 periods – Special Teams 12 periods – Offense 12 periods – Defense
THURSDAY – Walk thru - 12 periods – Team stressed work out 4 periods – Special Teams 4 periods – Offense 4 periods – Defense
FRIDAY – Gameday
SATURDAY – Coaches Workday – Players workout and watch film 7:00am – 9:00am – Grade the previous game 9:00am – 10:00am – Work out players 10:00am – 11:00am – Show players previous game – FOCUS ON IMPROVEMENT 11:30am – 12:30pm – Lunch 12:45pm – 3:00pm – Breakdown the next opponent.
SUNDAY – Coaches Workday 1:30pm - TBD – Finish Breakdown and complete Game Plan for next opponent.
The following is a general outline of the schedule and procedures for the game planning process in season.
I. Pre film breakdown duties A. Sub Varsity staff 1. record statistical data 2. enter game data in computer B. Varsity staff 1. grade previous night game film 2. meet and watch film with offense
II. Film breakdown A. Diagram defensive fronts and stunts 1. draw each front vs. each formation shown with all stunts B. Diagram defensive coverages 1. draw each coverage vs. each formation shown with all blitzes C. Chart down and distance defensive tendencies D. Check for all non-charted data 1. personnel packages 2. substitutions 3. variations in alignments 4. alerts to special situations
III. Board work A. Formation tendencies 1. defensive alignments to formations 2. coverages with alignments to formations 3. number of times in each alignment and coverage per formation 4. blitzes and stunts per alignments B. Field position tendencies C. Down and Distance tendencies 1. fronts, stunts and blitzes per down and distance and number of times each 2. coverages per down and distance and number of times each 3. percent of above for each down and distance
D. Attacking fronts and coverages 1. list each front and coverage on board one at a time 2. discuss formations and plays that will attack each front and its specific stunts/blitzes 3. focus on top fronts and coverages per formation but be aware of all others 4. discuss necessary adjustments or checks to defenses and alerts E. Compare Formation and Down and Distance data 1. determine runs per down and distance 2. determine passes per down and distance F. Goal line and Back to the Wall 1. determine runs per down and distance 2. determine passes per down and distance IV. Scouting Report A. Prepared for each player includes 1. personnel sheet 2. checks/alerts/adjustments sheet 3. defensive fronts and coverages 4. slants/stunts/blitzes 5. game plan outline V. Review and Adjustments Monday and Tuesday A. Review game plan after each practice per down and distance worked B. make any adjustments and review
VI. Finalize game plan A. Final review after Wednesday practice B. Make any adjustments to Down and Distance calls C. Run final copy of Game Plan
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Post by phantom on Dec 2, 2007 9:40:27 GMT -6
Tog, are you the JV coach?
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 9:47:43 GMT -6
Tog, are you the JV coach? no varsity oc work with jv some, but generally during practice I am working with the qb's and backs while the jv is on offense thursday, the hc, dc and i work out the varsity with our special teams/situational practice, then hightail it over to the jv game to coach the kids we let the jv coaches do the playcalling, we are just there to help with the kids on things
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Post by dacoachmo on Dec 2, 2007 9:54:05 GMT -6
Monday-Thursday. at school by 7:30 home by 7:45 Friday- school by 7:30 home by 11,12,1am? Saturday school at 7:00 home by 5:30 Sunday- work at home
Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday 6 hours...maybe more on Wednesday since that is more coach prep time. can't really put much in on a Thursday.
Thursday. 6 hours...less sleep possible because of excitement and thinking about game.
Friday. 5 hours. get home late. get to school early. the last two years I liked to get to schoola nd watch the game with the coaches before players arrive.
Saturday extra sleep...hooray! don't have to get up for school.
Sunday. prep time. 6 hours again.
Family time. Sunday. I always make time by telling my wife, I can work on football after my son goes to bed at 7:30. otherwise, I would never see him since I get home during the week after he is in bed!
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Dec 2, 2007 9:54:39 GMT -6
Coach what time do you practice to? If you meet after practice for a short time and you get your weekly planning done on Sunday why the late nights at school 9pm? Good stuff coach!
Bryan
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 10:16:34 GMT -6
we practice from 4-6ish then get the kids out then short meeting get scripts ready for the next day
then drive home get home 9ish
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Post by phantom on Dec 2, 2007 10:16:57 GMT -6
Tog, are you the JV coach? no varsity oc work with jv some, but generally during practice I am working with the qb's and backs while the jv is on offense thursday, the hc, dc and i work out the varsity with our special teams/situational practice, then hightail it over to the jv game to coach the kids we let the jv coaches do the playcalling, we are just there to help with the kids on things I thought so. This is a tough business and you have to take your rest when you get it. How, exactly, are you helping the program by going to the JV game?
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 10:21:04 GMT -6
1. it's expected (unless by the time we get done with practice and the jv game is so far away we will get there in the 4th quarter)
2. you get to coach the kids and evaluate what is coming up
wouldn't really consider not going really
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Post by pegleg on Dec 2, 2007 10:41:30 GMT -6
wouldn't really consider not going really really?
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2007 10:53:38 GMT -6
How, exactly, are you helping the program by going to the JV game? why wouldn't a coach go to a JV,Fresh, feeder game? Supporting the JV coaches by letting them LEAD and we serve them shows support for the entire PROGRAM (not just varsity). That would be how you mentor the younger coaches and reinforce the heirarchy for he JV kids (seeing their JV coaches in charge). It also allows a varsity coach to do his due-diligence by essentially scouting the talent he'll be coaching next year (idea of what positions will be filled). SLEEP IS OVERRATED.
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Post by pegleg on Dec 2, 2007 10:54:58 GMT -6
sorry couldn't help myself
i thnk the weekly schedule is pretty standard across texas, uil mandates how long you can work with the kids so everyone is about the same during the week.
my point of contention with most coaches is the concept of working smarter not harder. we worked 9-1 or 2 and saturdays and 2 to about 5 on sunday.
for me it comes down to a simpilcity on offense. here is what we do, here is what you do and neither one is going to change. ultimately it comes down to execution and the oc finding the things that are working and hammering those until the dc changes. then you find what works now and the cycle repeats.
when i have been place where we worked twice as long it was because we weren't very good and we tried to change things every week, which is why we weren't very good imo.
i also think defense needs and does work longer, they have more stuff to figure out imo.
just my observations, please commence rock throwing!
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 11:00:03 GMT -6
this was with a new staff after about the 3rd or fourth week we had the sunday stuff down to 3-4 hours or so
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 11:00:18 GMT -6
really
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Post by pegleg on Dec 2, 2007 11:08:16 GMT -6
i gotcha. i just think that those coaches who try to prove how smart they are by over analyzing and changing things every week because "this will work great against this team" are ulitmately unsuccessfull.
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Post by brophy on Dec 2, 2007 11:14:14 GMT -6
SATURDAY – Coaches Workday – Players workout and watch film 7:00am – 9:00am – Grade the previous game 9:00am – 10:00am – Work out players 10:00am – 11:00am – Show players previous game – FOCUS ON IMPROVEMENT 11:30am – 12:30pm – Lunch 12:45pm – 3:00pm – Breakdown the next opponent. SUNDAY – Coaches Workday 1:30pm - TBD – Finish Breakdown and complete Game Plan for next opponent. How much of this (IYO) needs to be done together? How much could realistically be done individually at home? With the exception of the players involvment, I would imagine the other coaches could take copies of the game / opponent home and grade (their unit) and come up with a game plan concept by the time you meet at the next session (Sunday night) (cuts at least 3 - 4 hours right there). How much has technology aided you in making these assignments easier?
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Post by airraider on Dec 2, 2007 11:15:48 GMT -6
I really tended to work more on the past game film and personal/team offense improvement than I did on the other team.
Being that we were a no back offense.. we rarely would get the same look from film. My basic break down of defenses includes personnel evaluations.. which includes who and how they play..
You can still get some tenancies.. but how a coach calls a game vs us compared to just about any other team is probably going to differ..
Our schedule pretty much mirrors dacoahmo's.
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 11:26:42 GMT -6
SATURDAY – Coaches Workday – Players workout and watch film 7:00am – 9:00am – Grade the previous game 9:00am – 10:00am – Work out players 10:00am – 11:00am – Show players previous game – FOCUS ON IMPROVEMENT 11:30am – 12:30pm – Lunch 12:45pm – 3:00pm – Breakdown the next opponent. SUNDAY – Coaches Workday 1:30pm - TBD – Finish Breakdown and complete Game Plan for next opponent. How much of this (IYO) needs to be done together? How much could realistically be done individually at home? With the exception of the players involvment, I would imagine the other coaches could take copies of the game / opponent home and grade (their unit) and come up with a game plan concept by the time you meet at the next session (Sunday night) (cuts at least 3 - 4 hours right there). How much has technology aided you in making these assignments easier? depends on the technology available this past season we were vcr all the way no computer stuff found it went faster than at previous place with computer breakdown this was my schedule more than it was everyone elses i prefer to just stay and use the good vcr and cowboys at school to get a better pic i don't really care as long as the job gets done hell when looking at houses this last time wife and i found one with a film room, i was (hey, this would be awesome to come and get film work done in with a staf) alas, house cost too much personally i like would like to all get done together on sat about 1 or 2 then meet up sunday to go over for about 2 hours then just get all the scripts and schedule stuff ready to go
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Post by aztec on Dec 2, 2007 11:35:46 GMT -6
Some crazy hours on this board. I would be divorced if I was gone that much. I leave my house to get the kids to school at 7:30 and get home about 6:15 each night. Thursdays I finish up earlly and watch the first half of the JV or Frosh game and then pick up my kids and take them to soccer practice. Friday I get home late game day. Saturday is my real long work day. I am in the office by 6:30 am and leave about 4 pm. Sunday I work on my own so I get in about 9-10 and work for about 4-5 hours on game plans.
I think one of the problems we have run into with HS football is keeping up with the Jones. Team A is doing this so we have to do more. At some point it has to become counter productive and you are just spending time to spend time. I don't have my assistants spend huge time on the weekends they input the games on the computer normally we have most of them done during the week. I am the only guy who works on the Def side of the ball on Sundays.
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 11:35:54 GMT -6
another big reason to do it together is for the younger coaches on staff to learn if that isn't that big an issue
just get it done
the older/wiser? i get the more i fall into the work smarter category
when i was younger i would make sure i was the first one there and the last one to leave year round
still am that way but not to just do it
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Post by aztec on Dec 2, 2007 11:36:39 GMT -6
Crap forgot to answer the question. I get about 7 hours a night except for Friday night I normally get about 4-5 hours.
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Post by airraider on Dec 2, 2007 11:58:07 GMT -6
Some crazy hours on this board. I would be divorced if I was gone that much. I leave my house to get the kids to school at 7:30 and get home about 6:15 each night. Thursdays I finish up earlly and watch the first half of the JV or Frosh game and then pick up my kids and take them to soccer practice. Friday I get home late game day. Saturday is my real long work day. I am in the office by 6:30 am and leave about 4 pm. Sunday I work on my own so I get in about 9-10 and work for about 4-5 hours on game plans. I think one of the problems we have run into with HS football is keeping up with the Jones. Team A is doing this so we have to do more. At some point it has to become counter productive and you are just spending time to spend time. I don't have my assistants spend huge time on the weekends they input the games on the computer normally we have most of them done during the week. I am the only guy who works on the Def side of the ball on Sundays. Have ran into this myself.. worktime becomes BS time.. story time.. eating time.. not that I mind all that.. but more work gets done when I am at my computer at my house doing what I need to do..
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Post by tcm57 on Dec 2, 2007 12:14:54 GMT -6
Attending JV/lower level games when possible can go a long way in establishing respect from those young players and their parents. You'd be surprised at the positive comments (through various sources) we've had over the years from parents who think it's great that the varsity head coach/varsity staff took the time to attend the games. Being visible ... and setting an example that you truly care about all the kids in your program will pay off big time.
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 2, 2007 12:46:31 GMT -6
I work at UPS from 3ish to 9ish every Mon-Fri. I try to get a couple hours sleep after that. Usually get up about 12:00-1:00 depending on what time I finally got to sleep and what I needed to do that day.
We start practice at 2:00. The school is about 30 seconds from my house so if it weren't for the Indy 500 going on out here I could probably run/walk to school.
We try to get off the field by 5:00. Usually we don't. I've got class at 6 so I had to cut out early a few times, which sucked. We normally do team D (we play both ways) last so I was just running the scout offense and we've got several guys doing that.
I've got class from 6-9 on Tue, Wed., and Thur. Except for Thursday nights I usually got out pretty early. I normally got home between 8 and 9. Eat something, watch film, maybe watch some TV with the girlfriend. Get to bed about 11 and do it all over again.
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Post by coachbw on Dec 2, 2007 13:55:28 GMT -6
TOG, I am interested by your comment about it not taking as long when you didn't have the computer breakdown stuff. We went to DSV this year and found our prep time went way up. What was it that caused you to spend more time working when you had the technology? Was it tech problems or trying to fun extra cutups & reports that you don't use when you don't have the software? One last question (and I am pretty sure I already know how you are going to respond to this) do you feel you were more prepared for a game when you had the technology or was it about the same?
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 2, 2007 16:03:01 GMT -6
I think a KEY component is prepping EFFECTIVELY withing your scheme. One staff I was with would spend HOURS discussing what play calls they liked and how they would block each run vs all the different fronts they saw on film. They would discuss what they liked strong, and weak...etc...BUT they NEVER had a freaking check with me system. So, if they called a trap to the right, and happened to get a shade,5,9 to the right, and they prefered trapping the 3, they were STUCK. Foolish if you ask me.
PEGLEG brings up a great point...AND i think one of the reasons why you see coaches with simple assignments coaching for long careers (successfully). If you run the wing-t, your kids KNOW their rules...so you dont have to do all that crap...just look at the video and say "ok, we can't base #78, so we won't be running belly to that side...Number 44 seems kind of timid as a 9 tech, so we can bucksweep, and Down him to death..."
Same with option, or zone teams.
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