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Post by PSS on Dec 2, 2007 16:14:33 GMT -6
TOG, I am interested by your comment about it not taking as long when you didn't have the computer breakdown stuff. We went to DSV this year and found our prep time went way up. What was it that caused you to spend more time working when you had the technology? Was it tech problems or trying to fun extra cutups & reports that you don't use when you don't have the software? One last question (and I am pretty sure I already know how you are going to respond to this) do you feel you were more prepared for a game when you had the technology or was it about the same? On the defensive side of the ball, once we actually started using the computer (Webb) our prep time was cut by 3 to 4 hours each weekend. Less handwork and video and data was correlated so that we could plan much more efficiently. The only drawback: we were running a new defense (my first year on the staff) and we wasted a lot time with the "what if " questions.
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Post by tog on Dec 2, 2007 17:26:48 GMT -6
TOG, I am interested by your comment about it not taking as long when you didn't have the computer breakdown stuff. We went to DSV this year and found our prep time went way up. What was it that caused you to spend more time working when you had the technology? Was it tech problems or trying to fun extra cutups & reports that you don't use when you don't have the software? One last question (and I am pretty sure I already know how you are going to respond to this) do you feel you were more prepared for a game when you had the technology or was it about the same? we didn't have enough people that could input it right and the technology in the rest of the district wasn't up to par so we spent hours waiting around to upload the stuff to computer in the first place now, if i could just trade hard drives and do it all on computer just break it into offense and defense and then maybe formations and down and distance then i could pull up some cutups i would need/want and could do something with especially with the kids
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Post by silkyice on Dec 2, 2007 22:44:49 GMT -6
Tog,
You put in some insane hours.
at school everyday 7:15
Monday home : if early in season 7-8, late in season 6, JV game 9 home game, 10-11 away game
Tuesday: early season 8, late in season 7
Wednesday: early season 7-8, late 6
Thursday: home 4:30
Friday: home 1-2 am - we break down film after the game
Sat: up early depending on where trade is. Meet 9-12 or even 1 or 2.
Sun: nothing
I use DSV and get our game in my laptop Friday night for the coaches to break down. I get the trade tapes ODK in my laptop Sat. morning and we watch. My DC gets the ODK in his laptop on Sat morning. I will watch more game tape on my laptop when I need to on Sat, Sun, and during the week. I am lucky, I just coach football during football season and have only one math class in the spring, but even when I wasn't so lucky, I kept the same schedule.
I am a big believer in staying late on Friday night, but having my assistants done by noon or so on Saturday and having the rest of the weekend off. Sleep, getting away from football, family, church are all important. I think we coach better that way. I know I do.
I will work in my bed on my laptop many times to 1-2am, but many times I am asleep by 10-11am. This includes week and weekend.
I only ODK on DSV. I think a lot of the other stuff can be way overkill. But, I also like to keep offense and defense simple. I certainly repsect people that put in insane hours.
One note: I am willing to bet that most (not all) coaches on this site believe in not having too much offense or defense. I am willing to bet that most (not all) believe in not practicing forever and that crisp and efficient pratices are better than just being out there and getting worn out. I am willing to bet that most (not all) coaches believe that your players exectuing what you do well is more important that having a ton of stuff. Well, the question is, if it good for your players and team, why isn't it good for you and your staff?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2007 17:21:15 GMT -6
This past season was the hardest on me because I'm currently subbing, but working a maintenance job on days I'm not subbing. Had to be at work by 6 if I wasn't subbing on a particular day.
Generally speaking, my schedule was the same the first five years of my coaching career when I had a teaching job. In my classroom by 7 am, not home until 7 pm. Later on JV game nights (Monday in my case) and obviously later on varsity game nights. The difference was Saturdays--my first job had a Saturday session, second job didn't. Both had staff meetings on Sundays that lasted anywhere from an hour to four hours depending on what we needed to do and discuss.
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Post by pegleg on Dec 3, 2007 20:36:17 GMT -6
thats the point, if you do what you do, you don't need all the prep time. those who don't know what they do end up spending extra time figuring out what to do.............and are more successful imo
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Post by PSS on Dec 3, 2007 21:11:44 GMT -6
My schedule was somewhat insane also. Some of it due to the required hours necessary to get everything done, some of due to the 40 minute one way commute.
Monday: At school by 5:45, complete defensive cutups, special teams cutups; complete planning for special teams. Athletic period starts at 7:20.
JV practice starts at 2:45, all team. Varsity works special teams so this pulls me away from JV for a while.
Varsity practice starts at 3:15 until 5:45. At that time I go coach my Varsity position. All team segments including special teams are filmed. Defensive staff breaks down practice film (inside / pass hull) usually able to start this around 6:30. Complete at 7:30. Defensive staff meeting, then entire staff meeting. Usually leave the field house at 8:30, home after 9:00.
Tuesday: Same as Monday
Wednesday: Same, however we trade film early so I take the laptop home to put in one game of next weeks opponent.
Thursday: JV Game day so after the game other JV coach and I wash uniforms. Don't leave the field house until 11:00.
Friday: Varsity Game day. Same as for everyone else.
Saturday: At field house by 6:00, have to run copies of the ODK'ed game for the staff. - break down previous nights film - JH staff breaks down 2 more games for me to put in the computer ( in district play we sometimes put up to 5 games) - I put one game in at the field house, take the laptop home to put in the others - leave FH around 3:00
Sunday: at FH 7:00 am to transfer video and data to main computer. - get printouts by 9:00 - make cutups for gameplanning - staff eats together (each of us takes turn bringing lunch) -1:00 start game planning - complete gameplanning 5:00 to 7:00 - draw cards for run hull - leave FH around 9:00
I will say that it is a lot of work and time. I was the only one that knew how to properly input data into the computer. Before we starting using it in week 4 we were not getting out until after midnight on Sundays. Got fed up with that.
I am the DL coach but have been a DC for 7 years so I knew what I was doing.
It was worth it. We made the playoffs for the first time in 2003.
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Post by threeback on Dec 4, 2007 8:03:21 GMT -6
Monday- at school for 6:00. Practice from 2:00 until 3:45-4:00. After practice, DC and I meet to discuss next day's practice and get rough draft of next day's schedule (schedule stayed basically the same, but tweaked to address problem areas from the previous game) After that, let everyone know what the schedule would be like and talk about that day's practice. Usually got home about 6:30pm
Tuesday- same routine.
Wednesday- same
Thursday- practice at our athletics period. Walk through, situational calls, teams checks etc. JV stays after practice, we feed them, prep them for game as close to varsity as possible as far as position meetings, etc. JV game starts at 6:00, usually back to fieldhouse at about 8:30-9:00. Everyone goes except the head coach- he conducts a starter's meeting where problems with the week are discussed and a little more game film is watched. Wash jerseys, put JV game on hard drive. Home about 11:00.
Friday- Same basic routine as Thursday. Back to field house at around 9:00-10:00 depending on traveling distance. Jersey washing, entering of game into computer, etc. Home about 1:00-2:00. Sleep from about 3-6.
Saturday- Meet at 8:00. Grade, enter in trade tapes into computer. Begin game planning for opponent. Finish aboout 1:00. DC would put in label opponent's offense when he got home Saturday.
Sunday- I would get computer from DC at about 9:00. Enter playcalls from Friday on computer. Break down entire offense and "grade" the offense as a whole to identify and fix problem areas (i.e.-path of guards on bucksweep, alignment/playfakes of backs) during practice that week. Take notes during "re-grading" and then start on our opponent. Once finished with that, type up all notes to give to kids/coaches on Monday. Usually finished about 2-3.
We also had starters and key backups come in for recess to watch film all week on their opponent for that week. Mondays and Wednesdays were defense and Tuesdays and Thursdays was offense.
As far as sleep goes- whenever I would get home from practice, I liked to spend about two hours with my kids and then I was doing football stuff from anywhere until 12-2 in the morning. Averaged about 3-4 hours of sleep during the season. Felt it when the season ended though.
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Post by ajreaper on Dec 4, 2007 12:12:15 GMT -6
I cannot understand how any coach can function well getting only 3,4 or even 5 hours of sleep a night over the course of a season. There's a point where you get diminished returns from all those long hours.
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 4, 2007 12:18:15 GMT -6
I cannot understand how any coach can function well getting only 3,4 or even 5 hours of sleep a night over the course of a season. There's a point where you get diminished returns from all those long hours. What about Jon Gruden? He gets a few hours of sleep a night since he could remember and even seen a doctor about it and they doc said there is nothing wrong with you so use that extra time to your advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2007 16:28:19 GMT -6
Isn't Gruden an extremely rare case though? Some will consider me a wuss for admitting this, but one reason I don't put in major late night hours is I need to be in bed (not necessarily sleeping, just in bed relaxing) for 8 hours or I'm not worth a crap the next day. I wish I wasn't that way, but I am who i am
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Post by brophy on Dec 4, 2007 17:30:53 GMT -6
just an out-of-the-box kind of observation here, but if you actually look at the needs of the human body, you can actually sustain a healthy & productive existence off of 3-4 hours of sleep, provided you can do 3 things; 1) eat a relatively balanced diet 2) get another "cat nap" (30min - 120min) later in the day 3) stay off stimulants
see Benjamin Franklin
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Post by dubber on Dec 4, 2007 19:01:22 GMT -6
I sleep 16 hours a day
Never watch film (I've seen enough football in my 22 years)
Put in 27 new plays a week during my 45 minute to 1 hour practices that I run by myself
Then I go to the strip club----this is everyday
and then I kick butt on Friday night with some awesome playcalling
The only games we lose is when we go into double overtime, because that is past my bedtime and I go home
I get paid modestly, about $85,000 a year with a $10,000 a victory bonus
but I compensate myself by stealing from our booster club
I'm also an alcoholic and eat only Taco Bell and Little Debbies.........yet I maintain my trim 6' 1'' 185 frame with six pack abs you could grate cheese on.
I smoke some meth too, usually buy it off one of my kids or trade him playing time for some bang-bang
If you would like to learn my COMPLETE coaching system, including lifestyle to success, come to my clinic.
This is not for coaches serious about making their team a champion, if that is your goal, this is not for you.
This is for the coach that wants to drink and go to strip clubs and basically half-ass his way through life, coaching, and everything else.
I'll hold nightly chalk-talks in the V.I.P. room of "The Classy Pixies", making it rain with the $3,000 you paid for my clinic.
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Post by biggerblue on Dec 4, 2007 19:05:36 GMT -6
man if u guys think u got a problem sleeping during football season try working for the railroad and coaching at the same time then tell me how much sleep ull get
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 4, 2007 20:55:57 GMT -6
Probably about 5-6 hours of sleep a night year round. I have little kids......one of whom does not sleep well.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 5, 2007 6:18:43 GMT -6
Just as assistant coach but my seasons schedule looks something like this
Monday-At school 7 am, class work and teaching until 3, football after that, get home about 8. Tuesday and Wednesday are a repeat of Monday Thursday, still at school at 7. (I like to get their early to work on classroom stuff, so that I can use my planning to do football stuff), varsity practice till 5, JV game, get home around 11 depending on where the game is. Friday-at school at 7 again (I get up at 5 to help my wife get our baby girl fed, dressed etc.) Varsity game, get home between midnight and 2 am depending on if it is home or away. Saturday-up at 7, break down and grade friday nights game at home, back at school at about 9 to view trade tapes. 9-1 or so, break down next opponent. Saturday afternoons are for college football and family. Sunday meet as a staff at 2 for about 4 hours or so. Monday-repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2007 16:35:15 GMT -6
Good point, realdawg. I was always in my classroom by 7 am, because I considered 7-8:15 my prep period. My actual prep period (normally 3rd period) was all football.
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Post by burtledog on Dec 5, 2007 17:25:25 GMT -6
I know you all love football and kids, but some of this is ridiculous. You have families and souls. They need your attention more than a noble game and someone else's kids. I would say IMHO, but it would be a lie. Grace alone, Greg
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Post by PSS on Dec 5, 2007 19:34:33 GMT -6
I know you all love football and kids, but some of this is ridiculous. You have families and souls. They need your attention more than a noble game and someone else's kids. I would say IMHO, but it would be a lie. Grace alone, Greg You bring up a good point. It takes a special type of woman to be married to a football coach. My wife knows that from August through at least November she will have very little of my time. She does a tremendous job taking care of everything, and I mean everything! I am truly blessed to have such a wonderful wife. However, she does dread this time of the year somewhat because I get antsy and I am always looking to advance my career (moving) lol. My kids have always been around whatever program I was coaching, although this year was a little different because I coached in a different school district. My oldest was always on the sidelines when he was younger and carried the cords for my headsets, and helped out at practice. My youngest is just now getting to that age. My youngest son's favorite day is game day. The offseason is great for my family and I. We get to spend a lot of time together.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 6, 2007 7:53:09 GMT -6
I know you all love football and kids, but some of this is ridiculous. You have families and souls. They need your attention more than a noble game and someone else's kids. I would say IMHO, but it would be a lie. Grace alone, Greg Bingo!!! 15-16 hours per day for football just doesn't seem very efficient for a high school coach, to me ... granted, many have to teach as well, but -- how efficient is that still?
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Post by burtledog on Dec 6, 2007 8:14:05 GMT -6
PSS and Honored Host: I have never coached more than kids basketball in church league, but I was in ed for a few years in Summerville, SC. Yes, John McKissick's fiefdom. I went to church with half the coaching staff and taught their kids in SS. I thought I was paying attention to them, and I knew Friday and Saturdays were hectic, and many had intensive academic classes (though many did not), but they had no meetings on Sunday that I recall (if so they were well after morning services). They never missed church (the Coach would probably beaten them worse if he heard they consistently missed church than if they consistently screwed up their film work). 3-4 months of the schedule some of you talk about is just unhealthy. One of the things that many of you have mentioned and I saw with many of my friends in Green Wave land is having your boys in particular on the practice field with you. This goes a long way towards remedying some of the neglect. The living in family/work disconnect has been one of the worst things in western society. I remember subbing long term once and teaching my daughter for over a month in one period a day and being a member of her team (Middle School). Even though I had to be very careful about the home into the classroom thing, it was one of the happiest little periods of my life. I hope all of you can do something like that until sanity returns. I don't mean to criticize. I know you are competitive, hence your jobs, I know fans have unreal expectations. Heck, I hang out here because I am hooked on being an informed fan and love evesdropping on your conversations and do so to the detriment of my real interests. I admire the game and many of you. But I am worried for you all and your families. If you all burn out or your families break down, who will do this work you are called to and who will care for your wives and children? Grace Alone, Greg
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Post by longball on Dec 6, 2007 9:17:06 GMT -6
I get six hours of sleep every night of the week and year barring interruption ie sick kid or long road trip but I will still wake at 6:30. I go to bed at 12:30 and wake up at 6:30 like clock work. I cannot explain why but that is my schedule. May not need the alarm clock but I set it anyway. I do not know why it works like this but that is how my day or night schedule works. I guess i like a schedule. By the way, 10 year old son who goes to bed at 8:30 and wakes at 5:30 every day. He has never had a bed time? Must be Genetic.
Longball
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Post by silkyice on Dec 6, 2007 9:41:48 GMT -6
I know you all love football and kids, but some of this is ridiculous. You have families and souls. They need your attention more than a noble game and someone else's kids. I would say IMHO, but it would be a lie. Grace alone, Greg Reminds of the saying that football is a great game but a terrible god.
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Post by phantom on Dec 6, 2007 10:28:24 GMT -6
I know you all love football and kids, but some of this is ridiculous. You have families and souls. They need your attention more than a noble game and someone else's kids. I would say IMHO, but it would be a lie. Grace alone, Greg Bingo!!! 15-16 hours per day for football just doesn't seem very efficient for a high school coach, to me ... granted, many have to teach as well, but -- how efficient is that still? I have to agree. 15-16 hour days for HS football is way, way too much.
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Post by jwp on Dec 6, 2007 14:06:35 GMT -6
To each his own...just because you work a ton of hours does not mean you are neglecting your family...coaches get to be home plenty during the holidays, summer, etc...
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 6, 2007 16:22:35 GMT -6
FOOTBALL COACHS' MOTTO
DONT SMILE TIL CHRISTMAS
ILL REST WHEN IM DEAD
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 6, 2007 16:43:11 GMT -6
To each his own...just because you work a ton of hours does not mean you are neglecting your family...coaches get to be home plenty during the holidays, summer, etc... i'm not arguing that someone is neglecting anything ... just seems inefficient to me, that's all.
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Post by tog on Dec 6, 2007 17:04:56 GMT -6
To each his own...just because you work a ton of hours does not mean you are neglecting your family...coaches get to be home plenty during the holidays, summer, etc... i'm not arguing that someone is neglecting anything ... just seems inefficient to me, that's all. lol you are right last school it was the football that was making things wayyyy more complicated and inefficient than it needed to be this school it is the classroom/paperwork/redtape aspect of things
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 6, 2007 22:04:17 GMT -6
i'm not arguing that someone is neglecting anything ... just seems inefficient to me, that's all. lol you are right last school it was the football that was making things wayyyy more complicated and inefficient than it needed to be this school it is the classroom/paperwork/redtape aspect of things i'm totally understanding of both those situations for you. i've been in similar situation and it was a physical and mental drain on me. was fortunate to land on a staff that really stressed efficiency and we had the resources (man power/technology/financial) to make it a reality.
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