jdsc55
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Post by jdsc55 on Jun 1, 2019 10:15:25 GMT -6
Just curious what everyone does in-season on the weekends ? As a coaching staff, we’re looking into making some changes to be more efficient and try to most beneficial for staff and players.
Here’s our current routine:
Friday night - Game and exchange with next opponent Saturday morning - Bring players in at 8AM, watch film from previous night and go thru teachable moments. After 45 minutes or an hour, we have players walk/jog for 15 minutes with a nice long stretch afterward. Players usually are done by 9:30 and some coaches stay behind to begin game planning for next weeks opponent. Rest of weekend - watch scout film on Hudl and exchange ideas via group text/email.
This year our HC wants us to grade every player, every play so we’re looking at possible changes. We are a smaller school with about 40 players 9-12 and a staff of 6 with many of us with families/small children.
Any tips, ideas, strategies?
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Post by wingtol on Jun 1, 2019 10:24:17 GMT -6
I have coached at small schools with a roster size very similar to what you are dealing with. I will say this, what does grading the pllayers give you? Most likely you don't have a lot of depth at each position so if a kid grades out bad what does that do for you? If your teams are like the ones I have coached there aren't many position battles going on, your dudes are your dudes no matter how they grade out in a game. Seems like a waste of time with a small roster.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 1, 2019 12:14:43 GMT -6
Saturday-bring players in 8:30am-treatment, weight workout, watch previous game film in 2 groups(offense/defense)- only 15-20 plays the GOOD, the BAD, and the UGLY-kids out by 11 am after kids leave brief coaches meeting- coaches out by 12 Scout film sent to team and all assistants - coaches are expected to watch film on thier own Sunday- informal staff meeting(8-10 am) to discuss game plan ideas for both sides of the ball Monday-formal staff meeting-game plans finalized, personnel discussed, etc
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Post by mrjvi on Jun 1, 2019 12:57:25 GMT -6
Some games are on saturday but on Friday night games-nothing on the weekend. O and D coordinators will contact whoever they need to (assistants) for their plan of the week. O and D coordinators have already put the format together for a typical week before the season started and only need to tweak it. (Hopefully) We may stay a bit later on Mondays as coaches. Have kept my staff pretty much everywhere I've coached. They like weekends where they can have family time.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 1, 2019 13:08:23 GMT -6
Staff meets 9am to noon Saturday to watch film, gameplan, BS, get stuff ready.
Give the kids the weekend off. Being away from football and the same people for a couple days will have as many positive physical benefits as anything you're going to do Saturday morning. Plus, you won't lose kids because of them not showing up on Saturday morning (that has been a recurring theme everywhere I've been that brings kids in Saturday). This whole "we have to bring kids in to do blah, blah, blah" makes my skin crawl.
Christ, football coaches could find a way to take the joy and enjoyment out of sex.
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Post by carookie on Jun 1, 2019 13:15:13 GMT -6
Just curious what everyone does in-season on the weekends ? As a coaching staff, we’re looking into making some changes to be more efficient and try to most beneficial for staff and players. Here’s our current routine: Friday night - Game and exchange with next opponent Saturday morning - Bring players in at 8AM, watch film from previous night and go thru teachable moments. After 45 minutes or an hour, we have players walk/jog for 15 minutes with a nice long stretch afterward. Players usually are done by 9:30 and some coaches stay behind to begin game planning for next weeks opponent. Rest of weekend - watch scout film on Hudl and exchange ideas via group text/email. This year our HC wants us to grade every player, every play so we’re looking at possible changes. We are a smaller school with about 40 players 9-12 and a staff of 6 with many of us with families/small children. Any tips, ideas, strategies? I was in a very similar position before, it wasnt as hard as you think if you have a rubric and a chart. Its just like teaching- some teachers take hours to grade, I can grade 30 essays in less than an hour (same way that AP readers do); have a grading rubric- if it meets the requirement then grade it as such. Now there are some forms we used to make things easier. Have an AC or student assistant write down all play calls during the game, then type them into an Excel file immediately after (numbered too). Send it out to all the coaches, and have columns where you can put each players number, then print up the form and use the form to grade them out (+ -, whatever you use). Heck, most mornings before films, when all the other coaches were going on about things we need to do as a program and all that bluster I was able to grade out the whole game on the paper using my phone. I'd get it copied and out to the kids before they left the weight room. As with most things the key is to know what you want to get done, pare it down to the essentials, and be organized while doing it.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 1, 2019 21:39:28 GMT -6
Friday-some coaches go out for a little bit Saturday-9th and JV have games back to back, 2 coaches come in w varsity for a lift and a run. Kids who need treatment get it, we don’t watch film bc we don’t find it too productive right then. Varsity kids typically stick around if JV is at home and watch for awhile. After the 9th&JV games coaches go home. No meetings. Film is shared via hudl and they work on it when they can. Sunday-No meeting, coaches are expected to do their jobs, break down film send a list of 15 plays to their position group of what they did well and what they need to work/focus on. Coaches communicate via phone and text what the plans and changes for the upcoming week are. All roles are divided up and expected to be done but there is trust that they will be done. We beleive we can do that on our own time, may not work for all but has worked for us.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jun 2, 2019 4:52:14 GMT -6
Friday-some coaches go out for a little bit Saturday-9th and JV have games back to back, 2 coaches come in w varsity for a lift and a run. Kids who need treatment get it, we don’t watch film bc we don’t find it too productive right then. Varsity kids typically stick around if JV is at home and watch for awhile. After the 9th&JV games coaches go home. No meetings. Film is shared via hudl and they work on it when they can. Sunday-No meeting, coaches are expected to do their jobs, break down film send a list of 15 plays to their position group of what they did well and what they need to work/focus on. Coaches communicate via phone and text what the plans and changes for the upcoming week are. All roles are divided up and expected to be done but there is trust that they will be done. We beleive we can do that on our own time, may not work for all but has worked for us. Do you guys watch the previous games film on Monday at all or are the kids just expected to watch the 15 play list on their own?
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Post by Wingtman on Jun 2, 2019 7:12:56 GMT -6
I've never been at a place that came in in season. Coaches met Sunday night about 5pm-8pm. Kids need a break, we need a break from them.
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Post by agap on Jun 2, 2019 8:28:25 GMT -6
We don't do anything as a staff or team on the weekends. We talk to each other when we need to talk about the game plan, but we don't meet at all.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 2, 2019 9:39:38 GMT -6
I have coached at small schools with a roster size very similar to what you are dealing with. I will say this, what does grading the pllayers give you? Most likely you don't have a lot of depth at each position so if a kid grades out bad what does that do for you? If your teams are like the ones I have coached there aren't many position battles going on, your dudes are your dudes no matter how they grade out in a game. Seems like a waste of time with a small roster. These are my thoughts as well. jdsc55 is there a reason why he is looking to make the change? You say you are looking to make changes to be more efficient. I would echo wingtol 's thoughts here and say doing this is one of the LEAST efficient things you can do. As he points out, you probably aren't going to have tons of depth. With 40 kids total 9-12 you there are probably several starters on Friday night that you and the staff aren't very excited about, let alone their back ups. Also, I have never been a big proponent of grading because football is not an isolated sport. If your best OL happens to be 5'11 205 and lines up against a kid who will be playing for Clemson as a freshman 3 tech in a year, how will his grade probably look? How will your ILB's grade look if your nose keeps getting pushed into his lap? I don't see the advantage. That doesn't mean you dont evaluate player performance, and make notes on technique errors, mental errors etc. The only thing I think it may be worthwhile is to chart team effort with incentives or discipline attached to that grade.
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humble
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Post by humble on Jun 2, 2019 9:45:52 GMT -6
Just curious what everyone does in-season on the weekends ? As a coaching staff, we’re looking into making some changes to be more efficient and try to most beneficial for staff and players. Here’s our current routine: Friday night - Game and exchange with next opponent Saturday morning - Bring players in at 8AM, watch film from previous night and go thru teachable moments. After 45 minutes or an hour, we have players walk/jog for 15 minutes with a nice long stretch afterward. Players usually are done by 9:30 and some coaches stay behind to begin game planning for next weeks opponent. Rest of weekend - watch scout film on Hudl and exchange ideas via group text/email. This year our HC wants us to grade every player, every play so we’re looking at possible changes. We are a smaller school with about 40 players 9-12 and a staff of 6 with many of us with families/small children. Any tips, ideas, strategies? I would use the watching film with players/walk/stretch time for a good workout. Saturday morning is the perfect time to get that 3rd or 4th workout of the week in. If players don't watch film on their own they aren't gonna pay attention on sat morning anyway. Just my opinion.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 2, 2019 11:19:15 GMT -6
Friday night D staff watches film to get tackles & quick reflection of game, ACs grade before Sunday meetings
Saturday off, treatment offered
meet Sunday afternoon, team meeting, kids watch a little film/lift O/D swap), get treatment, stay and game plan
We 'grade' with a check list of things we look for on defense. Some coaches do the =/- thing and get a percentage.
The check list is easy and simple and it looks like this series first hit assist tackle TFL fumble caused fumble recovered big play big hit
and so forth, basically things you want to see on film that a good defense should do. Each is worth either 1, 2, or 3 points each depending on how important they might be. There are a couple of areas that 'earn' negative points
missed tackle loaf
etc....
Each player has a sheets and I just put tick marks as they show on film, then add them up. It 'evens' out the ball game for the types of mismatches mentioned above. And you can get a 'value' even without having a percentage grade-- if you played DE for 10 series of a game and had only 1 asst. tackle and 3 loafs, then as a coach it gives documentation for what you can see on film.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 2, 2019 11:20:05 GMT -6
On a side notes not to derail the OP, but how often and when do you guys lift that DON'T bring in kids on the week end?
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Post by realdawg on Jun 2, 2019 12:05:37 GMT -6
For us we stay after Friday. Wash uniforms. Do tackles. Watch a little film. Saturday’s are off. Coaches are expected to review and “grade” their positions. Sunday formal staff meeting. Kids don’t come in at all. Our kids lift in class during the school day.
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Post by coach31 on Jun 2, 2019 16:32:55 GMT -6
We don’t meet or bring the kids in over the weekend (there are 1 or 2 Jv games that are sat, but normally Jv plays Monday evening). Coaches grade and plan on their own, but we textvand call each other as needed). We life twice a week in season. Monday, wed for varsity guys. It has been good
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Post by adawg2302 on Jun 2, 2019 22:03:49 GMT -6
On a side notes not to derail the OP, but how often and when do you guys lift that DON'T bring in kids on the week end? 3 days a week during “Football” weights class (they dump other students in that class but the majority are football players).
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Post by Coach Vint on Jun 2, 2019 22:06:41 GMT -6
Saturday’s coaches are in at 8. We watch our film, chart loafs and grade our players. We are done with this by 9:30. We then start working on next opponent. Kids get treatment at 9:30, lift with HC at 10:00, light jogging and stretch at 10:30. 10:45 to 11:00 we call out loads. 11-11:10 we watch specials. 11:15-11:45 we watch film by position. 11:45-12 we do awards. Kids leave at noon. Coaches gone by 1. We come in Sunday from 2-6 or 6:30 to finalize game plan.
Our kids are focused watching film on Saturday. We are focused game planning in the office. When work is done, we leave.
We played 4 TV games on Thursdays last year and i loved it. We watched film, lifted, and ran Friday. Coaches came in Friday at 7 to watch film. We then met after kids left to watch next opponent. We took Saturday off.
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Post by lnueva32 on Jun 2, 2019 23:46:20 GMT -6
Saturday- kids have off unless they want to ice bath from 8am-10am. Only need one coach for this. Film exchange is usually completed by 10:30am. Everyone watches on their own but we end up texting all day.
Sunday- 8am-2pm Coaches come and talk about the previous game, injuries, etc. Next is the gameplan for this weeks opponent. We also make cut-ups from the previous game to be shown before Monday's practice usually between 20-25 plays, The good, bad, and ugly.
I'm a big believer in being efficient. Our practices are 2 hours. 55 mins for O & D everyday with 10-15 mins for special teams.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2019 7:35:45 GMT -6
Saturday’s coaches are in at 8. We watch our film, chart loafs and grade our players. We are done with this by 9:30. We then start working on next opponent. Kids get treatment at 9:30, lift with HC at 10:00, light jogging and stretch at 10:30. 10:45 to 11:00 we call out loads. 11-11:10 we watch specials. 11:15-11:45 we watch film by position. 11:45-12 we do awards. Kids leave at noon. Coaches gone by 1. We come in Sunday from 2-6 or 6:30 to finalize game plan. Our kids are focused watching film on Saturday. We are focused game planning in the office. When work is done, we leave. We played 4 TV games on Thursdays last year and i loved it. We watched film, lifted, and ran Friday. Coaches came in Friday at 7 to watch film. We then met after kids left to watch next opponent. We took Saturday off. Is there no school on Friday?
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Post by Footballguy on Jun 3, 2019 9:28:35 GMT -6
We don’t meet as a staff or ask our players to come in. It just wouldn’t work out in our community as the majority of our players work on the weekend, plus we feel it’s best to give our players and staff time away.
Each staff member will be responsible for break down parts of film, along with leaving notes for their postion groups.
I as the HC/DC will put Toft here the defensive gameplan, which we will install on Monday. The same goes with our Offense/ SPT.
We watch film during lunch on Monday (full team), Wednesday ( full team), Friday ( defensive adjustments/ formation checks).
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Post by Footballguy on Jun 3, 2019 9:28:49 GMT -6
We don’t meet as a staff or ask our players to come in. It just wouldn’t work out in our community as the majority of our players work on the weekend, plus we feel it’s best to give our players and staff time away.
Each staff member will be responsible for break down parts of film, along with leaving notes for their postion groups.
I as the HC/DC will put together the defensive gameplan, which we will install on Monday. The same goes with our Offense/ SPT.
We watch film during lunch on Monday (full team), Wednesday ( full team), Friday ( defensive adjustments/ formation checks).
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Post by fantom on Jun 3, 2019 9:31:38 GMT -6
We don’t meet as a staff or ask our players to come in. It just wouldn’t work out in our community as the majority of our players work on the weekend, plus we feel it’s best to give our players and staff time away. Each staff member will be responsible for break down parts of film, along with leaving notes for their postion groups. I as the HC/DC will put Toft here the defensive gameplan, which we will install on Monday. The same goes with our Offense/ SPT. We watch film during lunch on Monday (full team), Wednesday ( full team), Friday ( defensive adjustments/ formation checks). Why wouldn't weekend staff meetings work in your community?
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Post by waddles52 on Jun 3, 2019 11:12:26 GMT -6
Saturday: staff completes HUDL break down. We divvy up by coach. Someone gets Down and Distance, someone get yard line and hash, etc. We ask that everyone be done by 6 pm on Saturday with their duties.
Coordinators start making game plans. I am the DC, I try to have my game plan ready before I go to bed on Saturday night. Scout cards drawn up, cutups shared and a Google slides presentation ready for our kids on Monday.
Sunday afternoon, I talk by phone to our HC. We talk about game plan and personnel, just to make sure we're on the same page.
We meet Sunday night as a whole staff. HC starts by reviewing last game. Coordinators then present game plans. We're able to meet in 90-120 minutes most weeks.
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Post by MICoach on Jun 3, 2019 11:22:36 GMT -6
My current school is a bit more blue collar and the majority of kids either wouldn't have a ride, would have to work, or might just choose not to come. We take the whole weekend off with some communication between coaches.
My last school we had treatment at 8:00 on Saturday for anyone who needed it. Sunday coaches were in at 10:00 for film breakdown (theoretically should've done tagging etc. on Saturday) and gameplanning then players in at 1:00 for team film and sometimes a lift. This didn't suck as much as it sounds, we'd usually rotate bringing donuts/bagels and if I'm lucky and offense goes first on team film I'd be home by the second quarter of the NFL games.
We get 2-3 games in before school starts so I would usually "grade" the OL for those games and then once school starts not have time. We weren't deep enough to have a lot of roster shakeups so the grades were more just commentary. It takes a lot of time to do well in my opinion so once I'm more occupied with school it's just not gonna happen. I'll make comments on the hudl film and hope they watch it.
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Post by Footballguy on Jun 3, 2019 17:31:50 GMT -6
We don’t meet as a staff or ask our players to come in. It just wouldn’t work out in our community as the majority of our players work on the weekend, plus we feel it’s best to give our players and staff time away. Each staff member will be responsible for break down parts of film, along with leaving notes for their postion groups. I as the HC/DC will put Toft here the defensive gameplan, which we will install on Monday. The same goes with our Offense/ SPT. We watch film during lunch on Monday (full team), Wednesday ( full team), Friday ( defensive adjustments/ formation checks). Why wouldn't weekend staff meetings work in your community? We are a staff of four, me included ( OC is on campus, along with me). Our community is agricultural based and two of our staff members work out their schedule to allow them to attend practice. Both coaches work on the weekend, so it’s not possible to meet during the morning or afternoons. Hudl allows us to watch film independently and grade and break our film and opponents.
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Post by CoachUndershirt on Jun 5, 2019 4:46:34 GMT -6
Staff meets 9am to noon Saturday to watch film, gameplan, BS, get stuff ready. Give the kids the weekend off. Being away from football and the same people for a couple days will have as many positive physical benefits as anything you're going to do Saturday morning. Plus, you won't lose kids because of them not showing up on Saturday morning (that has been a recurring theme everywhere I've been that brings kids in Saturday). This whole "we have to bring kids in to do blah, blah, blah" makes my skin crawl. Christ, football coaches could find a way to take the joy and enjoyment out of sex.I've found that grading the film right after helps me improve my performance, she usually doesn't like her grades.
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Post by morris on Jun 5, 2019 5:43:22 GMT -6
Staff meets 9am to noon Saturday to watch film, gameplan, BS, get stuff ready. Give the kids the weekend off. Being away from football and the same people for a couple days will have as many positive physical benefits as anything you're going to do Saturday morning. Plus, you won't lose kids because of them not showing up on Saturday morning (that has been a recurring theme everywhere I've been that brings kids in Saturday). This whole "we have to bring kids in to do blah, blah, blah" makes my skin crawl. Christ, football coaches could find a way to take the joy and enjoyment out of sex.I've found that grading the film right after helps me improve my performance, she usually doesn't like her grades. There are some R4 pin, pull, plug, cushion, collision accelerator jokes there.
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Post by newhope on Jun 5, 2019 6:20:37 GMT -6
Just curious what everyone does in-season on the weekends ? As a coaching staff, we’re looking into making some changes to be more efficient and try to most beneficial for staff and players. Here’s our current routine: Friday night - Game and exchange with next opponent Saturday morning - Bring players in at 8AM, watch film from previous night and go thru teachable moments. After 45 minutes or an hour, we have players walk/jog for 15 minutes with a nice long stretch afterward. Players usually are done by 9:30 and some coaches stay behind to begin game planning for next weeks opponent. Rest of weekend - watch scout film on Hudl and exchange ideas via group text/email. This year our HC wants us to grade every player, every play so we’re looking at possible changes. We are a smaller school with about 40 players 9-12 and a staff of 6 with many of us with families/small children. Any tips, ideas, strategies? I was in a very similar position before, it wasnt as hard as you think if you have a rubric and a chart. Its just like teaching- some teachers take hours to grade, I can grade 30 essays in less than an hour (same way that AP readers do); have a grading rubric- if it meets the requirement then grade it as such. Now there are some forms we used to make things easier. Have an AC or student assistant write down all play calls during the game, then type them into an Excel file immediately after (numbered too). Send it out to all the coaches, and have columns where you can put each players number, then print up the form and use the form to grade them out (+ -, whatever you use). Heck, most mornings before films, when all the other coaches were going on about things we need to do as a program and all that bluster I was able to grade out the whole game on the paper using my phone. I'd get it copied and out to the kids before they left the weight room. As with most things the key is to know what you want to get done, pare it down to the essentials, and be organized while doing it. I don't see it as an issue of an efficient system to grade the film--I see it as a "what's the purpose in grading" issue. As someone said above, what are you going to do when a kid makes a bad grade? It's like coming up with a grading system and a rubric for an assessment that is pure BS and serves no real purpose in the first place. If you're going to give coaches more work to do, have a purpose for it and a positive result for the program that will come from it. Otherwise it's just busy work. As a head coach, I'm not using the grades for anything. I can see from the film what needs to be corrected without a grade. So, I'm not asking my coaches to give of their time to do something I'm not putting in value in. To do so, at least in my situation, would be disrespectful to them. If you're a HC and you can't watch the film and see what is being done correctly and what isn't, and what needs to be worked on and improved, you shouldn't be a HC. If the HC is giving assistants this to do in order to make them watch film, he's fooling himself. If they're too lazy and uninvested to watch the film in the first place, they'll just BS through the grading and create bigger issues for the HC.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 5, 2019 6:53:22 GMT -6
I was in a very similar position before, it wasnt as hard as you think if you have a rubric and a chart. Its just like teaching- some teachers take hours to grade, I can grade 30 essays in less than an hour (same way that AP readers do); have a grading rubric- if it meets the requirement then grade it as such. Now there are some forms we used to make things easier. Have an AC or student assistant write down all play calls during the game, then type them into an Excel file immediately after (numbered too). Send it out to all the coaches, and have columns where you can put each players number, then print up the form and use the form to grade them out (+ -, whatever you use). Heck, most mornings before films, when all the other coaches were going on about things we need to do as a program and all that bluster I was able to grade out the whole game on the paper using my phone. I'd get it copied and out to the kids before they left the weight room. As with most things the key is to know what you want to get done, pare it down to the essentials, and be organized while doing it. I don't see it as an issue of an efficient system to grade the film--I see it as a "what's the purpose in grading" issue. As someone said above, what are you going to do when a kid makes a bad grade? It's like coming up with a grading system and a rubric for an assessment that is pure BS and serves no real purpose in the first place. If you're going to give coaches more work to do, have a purpose for it and a positive result for the program that will come from it. Otherwise it's just busy work. As a head coach, I'm not using the grades for anything. I can see from the film what needs to be corrected without a grade. So, I'm not asking my coaches to give of their time to do something I'm not putting in value in. To do so, at least in my situation, would be disrespectful to them. If you're a HC and you can't watch the film and see what is being done correctly and what isn't, and what needs to be worked on and improved, you shouldn't be a HC. If the HC is giving assistants this to do in order to make them watch film, he's fooling himself. If they're too lazy and uninvested to watch the film in the first place, they'll just BS through the grading and create bigger issues for the HC. Great post. I think grading is not the most productive use of anyone’s time and bot the mist effective tool to get better. We watch film with the team. Every play. And correct everything. Literally anything I see wrong I am going to attempt to fix. And not just for that kid, I make sure everyone is paying attention. I hate when a kid makes a mistake that I just corrected for someone else.
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