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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 13, 2019 15:23:54 GMT -6
Do any of you guys have articles, powerpoints, etc. that you discusss with your athletes?
We are starting to have a serious vape oil marijuana problem at our school and I'm not stupid enough to believe that our football players are not partaking. Any kind of info would be great or any strategies you use for your players will be helpful as well. Thanks in advance.
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Post by veerman12 on Feb 13, 2019 16:54:59 GMT -6
School districts and local police in our area have enacted local ordinances where if kids are caught with vape pens, juuls, pods, etc, it's a municipal violation and subject to fines of up to $250. When these kids parents start getting hit in the wallet it tends to erase some of these issues.
Dont know if that helps at all, but that's what they've done here.
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Post by colt1 on Feb 18, 2019 10:55:24 GMT -6
Health risks include everything from being "nic sick" as in smoking so much at one time they can't function because they are needing to vomit from the extra nicotine ingested. Heart palpitations, vomiting, seizures, uncontrolled sweating, death because they get a hold of something that laced with some sort of toxic chemical etc... We had an entire PD session on it last year. Ultimately they want the thrill of getting away with doing it at school because its hard to catch and hard to control and extremely easy to hide. But most of them are too chicken s**t to actually have one of their own so they use other peoples and wind up getting something other than nicotine and its harmful.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 18, 2019 11:19:16 GMT -6
IMO, there's not much you can do until the kids and their parents get hit with school and legal consequences for it. I've tried to do health units on weed in the past and it turns into a chit-show because the kids will take the word of social media over anything that's taught. Three kids earned themselves "0"'s on a weed health project last year as they wanted to turn in an argument about why it should be legalized in our state and not what was required of the assignment. All three refused to redo the project and are now retaking their second semester of health because of it.
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Post by s73 on Feb 18, 2019 11:25:16 GMT -6
We have sent 2 kids to the ER over the last month due to smoking "dabs" (pure form of THC) in their vape pens. Dabs are much more potent than regular weed. Since they are legal in Colorado our kids order it online and have it sent to them.
Our district suspends kids when caught, issues them a ticket through the PD & makes them take a 1 day online informational course pertaining to the dangers.
With that said, IMO all of that is BS. An online formational course will do nothing b/c kids are always going to push boundaries.
What we have done instead starting last week as a district is create an informative video & posted for our PARENTS to help them recognize risks and signs of use.
If more parents step up problem will shrink, if they don't it will not IMO.
But, to truly make a difference I believe it has to come from home first.
Again, JMO.
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Post by colt1 on Feb 18, 2019 11:51:36 GMT -6
We have sent 2 kids to the ER over the last month due to smoking "dabs" (pure form of THC) in their vape pens. Dabs are much more potent than regular weed. Since they are legal in Colorado our kids order it online and have it sent to them. Our district suspends kids when caught, issues them a ticket through the PD & makes them take a 1 day online informational course pertaining to the dangers. With that said, IMO all of that is BS. An online formational course will do nothing b/c kids are always going to push boundaries. What we have done instead starting last week as a district is create an informative video & posted for our PARENTS to help them recognize risks and signs of use. If more parents step up problem will shrink, if they don't it will not IMO. But, to truly make a difference I believe it has to come from home first. Again, JMO. That's a heckuva situation to be with it being legal in your state. The biggest problem we have run into with parents is that tobacco has always been a big thing here. Some of our parents actually think vaping is a good alternative to not smoking cigarettes since that what they have done their whole lives. The synthetic THC is extremely powerful and also there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed is being made into edibles that look just like regular candy ex: gummy worms, bears, peach rings etc... We have had kids sent to the ER, neighboring school districts have had kids die. I agree 100% with you though, until parents recognize what is going on and actually take initiative in stopping it then nothing really changes.
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Post by s73 on Feb 18, 2019 14:12:04 GMT -6
We have sent 2 kids to the ER over the last month due to smoking "dabs" (pure form of THC) in their vape pens. Dabs are much more potent than regular weed. Since they are legal in Colorado our kids order it online and have it sent to them. Our district suspends kids when caught, issues them a ticket through the PD & makes them take a 1 day online informational course pertaining to the dangers. With that said, IMO all of that is BS. An online formational course will do nothing b/c kids are always going to push boundaries. What we have done instead starting last week as a district is create an informative video & posted for our PARENTS to help them recognize risks and signs of use. If more parents step up problem will shrink, if they don't it will not IMO. But, to truly make a difference I believe it has to come from home first. Again, JMO. That's a heckuva situation to be with it being legal in your state. The biggest problem we have run into with parents is that tobacco has always been a big thing here. Some of our parents actually think vaping is a good alternative to not smoking cigarettes since that what they have done their whole lives. The synthetic THC is extremely powerful and also there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed is being made into edibles that look just like regular candy ex: gummy worms, bears, peach rings etc... We have had kids sent to the ER, neighboring school districts have had kids die. I agree 100% with you though, until parents recognize what is going on and actually take initiative in stopping it then nothing really changes. No doubt. We have confiscated vape pens from kids & tell them they cannot have them back b/c they are underage & actually had parents common and pick them up for them. If they are getting the OK from home not much a video from some stranger is going to do to change their minds. Besides, they are already addicted and parents either condone or turn the other way (unofficially condoning). This is a problem in every HS in America, no doubt.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 18, 2019 19:18:17 GMT -6
the % of our faculty using marijuana is probably higher than our student population
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Post by CS on Feb 19, 2019 9:31:50 GMT -6
the % of our faculty using marijuana is probably higher than our student population Lol
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 19, 2019 9:34:00 GMT -6
That's a heckuva situation to be with it being legal in your state. The biggest problem we have run into with parents is that tobacco has always been a big thing here. Some of our parents actually think vaping is a good alternative to not smoking cigarettes since that what they have done their whole lives. The synthetic THC is extremely powerful and also there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed is being made into edibles that look just like regular candy ex: gummy worms, bears, peach rings etc... We have had kids sent to the ER, neighboring school districts have had kids die. I agree 100% with you though, until parents recognize what is going on and actually take initiative in stopping it then nothing really changes. No doubt. We have confiscated vape pens from kids & tell them they cannot have them back b/c they are underage & actually had parents common and pick them up for them. If they are getting the OK from home not much a video from some stranger is going to do to change their minds. Besides, they are already addicted and parents either condone or turn the other way (unofficially condoning). This is a problem in every HS in America, no doubt.
We had a player's mom selling vape pens out of the trunk of her car to kids in the school, including football players. And this was at a private Christian school.
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Post by s73 on Feb 19, 2019 12:40:56 GMT -6
No doubt. We have confiscated vape pens from kids & tell them they cannot have them back b/c they are underage & actually had parents common and pick them up for them. If they are getting the OK from home not much a video from some stranger is going to do to change their minds. Besides, they are already addicted and parents either condone or turn the other way (unofficially condoning). This is a problem in every HS in America, no doubt.
We had a player's mom selling vape pens out of the trunk of her car to kids in the school, including football players. And this was at a private Christian school.
My lips to God's ears (no pun intended) some of those schools have the worst drug problems b/c the kids have money. I know the private school in our area is rumored to be the worst. B/c the kids have money & b/c usually the consequences are minimal b/c the school needs the tuition dollars. The day of the strict private school nun is long gone I'm afraid.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 19, 2019 13:28:09 GMT -6
We had a player's mom selling vape pens out of the trunk of her car to kids in the school, including football players. And this was at a private Christian school.
My lips to God's ears (no pun intended) some of those schools have the worst drug problems b/c the kids have money. I know the private school in our area is rumored to be the worst. B/c the kids have money & b/c usually the consequences are minimal b/c the school needs the tuition dollars. The day of the strict private school nun is long gone I'm afraid.
Totally agree. This kid's mom put the school in a really, really bad spot. I was impressed by the school's response, they sacked up and made a full disclosure, they really took it on the chin. You are certainly right about the kids having the $$ to do what they want. This school has multiple foreign exchange students that are absolutely loaded. Kids driving cars that are $150k+, walking around with thousands of dollars in their pockets, it's nuts.
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 19, 2019 16:28:50 GMT -6
Do any of you guys have articles, powerpoints, etc. that you discusss with your athletes? We are starting to have a serious vape oil marijuana problem at our school and I'm not stupid enough to believe that our football players are not partaking. Any kind of info would be great or any strategies you use for your players will be helpful as well. Thanks in advance. Kind of hard to do when everyone is legalizing everything.
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Post by fantom on Feb 19, 2019 18:30:48 GMT -6
Do any of you guys have articles, powerpoints, etc. that you discusss with your athletes? We are starting to have a serious vape oil marijuana problem at our school and I'm not stupid enough to believe that our football players are not partaking. Any kind of info would be great or any strategies you use for your players will be helpful as well. Thanks in advance. Kind of hard to do when everyone is legalizing everything. Alcohol and tobacco are legal for adults but high schools have rules and prevention programs against them.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 19, 2019 23:53:45 GMT -6
there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed CBD is not a form of THC.
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Post by MICoach on Feb 20, 2019 6:44:07 GMT -6
there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed CBD is not a form of THC. Where'd you learn that, Cheech? Drug school?1?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 7:00:05 GMT -6
the % of our faculty using marijuana is probably higher than our student population At least they're not coming to school drunk. At a school I worked at a few years ago, we had a teacher show up to work drunk and pilled up. The SRO issued her a sobriety test and she faceplanted in the hallway during it. Sadly, this was not even close to the most shocking or worst thing that faculty members did in that district that year.
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Post by spreadjet31 on Feb 20, 2019 7:01:14 GMT -6
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 20, 2019 7:33:24 GMT -6
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2019 10:07:04 GMT -6
CBD is not a form of THC. Where'd you learn that, Cheech? Drug school?1? I guess you could say that. (Med school.)
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2019 10:09:54 GMT -6
I assumed he was just joking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 11:02:39 GMT -6
The synthetic THC is extremely powerful and also there is CBD oil which is another form of the THC that's found in weed is being made into edibles that look just like regular candy ex: gummy worms, bears, peach rings etc... We have had kids sent to the ER, neighboring school districts have had kids die. I agree 100% with you though, until parents recognize what is going on and actually take initiative in stopping it then nothing really changes. I think you meant "synthetic marijuana," which works on the brain in a similar way but isn't actually synthetic THC. The synthetic stuff isn't technically THC, but it produces similar effects and it is dangerous stuff. Far more dangerous than actual marijuana in a lot of ways. The synthetic marijuana is largely a side effect of keeping marijuana illegal--because the "real thing" is illegal, chemists come up with legal, synthetic alternatives to sell in its place at stores in places where marijuana is illegal. Then when those things eventually get banned after a couple of years of causing all sorts of problems, the chemists just change the formula slightly to something else that's not technically illegal and the cycle starts over. CBD is not THC and is not something that has ever killed anyone or, to my knowledge, put anyone into the ER with anything but a placebo effect. Yes, it can be made from marijuana plants, but most of what's sold in states without legalized marijuana is made from industrial hemp that wouldn't get you high if you built a bonfire out of it. It technically has a tiny amount of THC in it, but only in the same sense that non-alcoholic beer technically contains some alcohol. There's really not much reason to be anymore worried about a kid taking THC anymore than you should be worried about them taking Tylenol--actually, Tylenol may be more dangerous because it can cause serious liver damage. I know people who swear by it for helping them with headaches, pain, anxiety, and narcolepsy. I think a lot of the marketing behind it right now is snake oil, but I don't think it's worth being afraid of as long as kids aren't bringing it to school. The stuff that the OP was referring to is actual marijuana vape pens that contain extremely highly concentrated THC content that will get kids high. If that's going on at school, that is a problem, but it's something that should be addressed similarly to kids sneaking in alcohol or tobacco. Vaping has become a big nuisance now, replacing cigarettes and dipping with kids where I live.
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Post by MICoach on Feb 20, 2019 13:36:28 GMT -6
I assumed he was just joking. Definitely a joke... I'm about as supportive of marijuana use for adults as you'll find in the coaching community. I still heavily discourage kids from trying it while they're kids, but as a medicinal product or alternative to alcohol you could do a lot worse. EDIT: and well aware of what CBD is and isn't
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Post by spreadjet31 on Feb 20, 2019 15:39:30 GMT -6
I assumed he was just joking. Gotcha. Sarcasm is sometimes tough to discern on a message board. My apologies.
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Post by klaby on Feb 25, 2019 10:39:06 GMT -6
This problem will only get worse. As long as we have political leaders on the stump pushing to legalize this and have it accepted in the main stream. Its pretty sad when we view cigarettes worse than MJ. The stigma with tobacco is much worse than that of dope. As we fight to ban one we are fighting to legalize the other! This is what I can tell you, I never made an arrest of a person who caused the death of another human because he/she smoked a cigarette, I have made that arrest because of pot.....
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Post by fantom on Feb 25, 2019 10:49:22 GMT -6
This problem will only get worse. As long as we have political leaders on the stump pushing to legalize this and have it accepted in the main stream. Its pretty sad when we view cigarettes worse than MJ. The stigma with tobacco is much worse than that of dope. As we fight to ban one we are fighting to legalize the other! This is what I can tell you, I never made an arrest of a person who caused the death of another human because he/she smoked a cigarette, I have made that arrest because of pot..... Dying from pot or dying in a drug deal?
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 25, 2019 11:15:09 GMT -6
This problem will only get worse. As long as we have political leaders on the stump pushing to legalize this and have it accepted in the main stream. Its pretty sad when we view cigarettes worse than MJ. The stigma with tobacco is much worse than that of dope. As we fight to ban one we are fighting to legalize the other! This is what I can tell you, I never made an arrest of a person who caused the death of another human because he/she smoked a cigarette, I have made that arrest because of pot..... Dying from pot or dying in a drug deal?
Driving while impaired?
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Post by rosey65 on Feb 26, 2019 11:27:08 GMT -6
We dont allow it or condone it, but we dont run big campaigns against it. Here's how a parent meeting might go:
coach: "i'm really concerned about Timmy's marijuana..." parent, reaching into pocket: "why, did he not give you the good stuff?!?"
Some families use it to keep the lights on. Anything we say is just piss on a forest fire, we just pray they never get busted and mourn when they hit the public recently-arrested page in the newspaper.
Just keeping it honest.......
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Post by RunPeopleOver on Feb 26, 2019 18:52:06 GMT -6
A lot of states have raised the age to use tobacco products to 21, which includes vaping. In Virginia it goes into law July 2019.
This may help your problem if other states jump on board.
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Post by adawg2302 on Feb 26, 2019 22:36:11 GMT -6
We dont allow it or condone it, but we dont run big campaigns against it. Here's how a parent meeting might go: coach: "i'm really concerned about Timmy's marijuana..." parent, reaching into pocket: "why, did he not give you the good stuff?!?" Some families use it to keep the lights on. Anything we say is just piss on a forest fire, we just pray they never get busted and mourn when they hit the public recently-arrested page in the newspaper. Just keeping it honest....... We have a player who can't keep himself out of trouble due to exactly what you mentioned. Should have probably been expelled by now, but keeps getting slaps on the wrist. He says he sells it to help his parents out with $$$, etc...and that he makes more $$ selling than he would at a normal "teenager" type job. AP checked it out and turns it he was telling the truth. Nice kid, does what we ask, could be a decent player, but can't quit getting in trouble b/c of it. Hell of a scout player though!
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