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Post by groundchuck on Feb 13, 2019 12:48:28 GMT -6
At a clinic this weekend an acquaintance suggested a certain presenter did not know what he was talking about because he never played the position. Thoughts? Said presenter coaches at a top 25 college and turns out All-Conference and All-American players now and then.
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Post by coachlesko on Feb 13, 2019 12:52:16 GMT -6
If that was the case, many coaches would be considered "unqualified" - Bellechick didn't play LB for example, (he was an OL) but he coached LT and other great LBs. Urban Meyer was a DB in college, but moved up the ranks as a WR coach. The list goes on and on really.
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Post by pvogel on Feb 13, 2019 12:52:41 GMT -6
Your acquaintance is a moron and if he is ever a HC he will have a VERY difficult time filling a legit staff if he is hiring based on playing experience.
And how many rules and techniques have changed since you played? Even if you played OL in HS on a traditional flipper blocking wing-t team it doesn't mean you'll be able to apply those techniques to a modern zone based spread. You would still have to learn those techniques.
Belichik (and many others) can coach every position on the field. At a very high level.
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Post by eaglemountie on Feb 13, 2019 13:00:16 GMT -6
I've coached every position but OL. I've had at least one all state player at each position I've coached other than QB and that's the position I played.
I think that idea is absurd.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 13, 2019 13:03:05 GMT -6
If that was the case, many coaches would be considered "unqualified" - Bellechick didn't play LB for example, (he was an OL) but he coached LT and other great LBs. Urban Meyer was a DB in college, but moved up the ranks as a WR coach. The list goes on and on really. Belichick wasnt even a good player. Played a little bit at a D3 school. The coach the OP is referencing is an idiot.
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Post by carookie on Feb 13, 2019 17:06:24 GMT -6
I would go as far as to say it might make you better, in some ways.
Lots of guys were good at their position because they were just so physically gifted, so to be able to coach people who aren't as gifted is a struggle (they just can't figure out why others aren't as dominant). Sure they learned some tricks that they can pass on, but knowing what to do and being able to coach are two different things.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 13, 2019 17:15:59 GMT -6
I knew a school that ran the Wing-T. Their O-line coach was 5'7, 150lbs and had never played a down at line. He was a quarterback in high school and ran the wing-t, he knew the responsibility of every guy on the field. He learned the shoulder blocking principles and was an outstanding line coach.
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Post by bignose on Feb 13, 2019 17:43:24 GMT -6
Total B.S. I was a second string backup center at a new high school with a loosing record in the late 1960's. I did not play college ball, my school didn't have a football program.
I have been a part of 3 State Championships and coached every position on the field over a 45 year career. I have produced all State QB's, and still have a former player in the Pros, a linebacker.
And even though I am now retired, I still go to clinics and still remain active in film analysis because there is always something new to learn.
So according to your acquaintance, I don't know much about football? I've probably forgotten more about football than he knows! Lol
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Post by coachjax90 on Feb 13, 2019 17:56:44 GMT -6
At a clinic this weekend an acquaintance suggested a certain presenter did not know what he was talking about because he never played the position. Thoughts? Said presenter coaches at a top 25 college and turns out All-Conference and All-American players now and then. For reference I am 350lbs played DL in college and have coached DL, OL then more recently OLB and MLB along with dabbling in DB. Our team was successful every year. You either know it or you don't. Doesn't matter if you played the position. Shoot our former DC played DB in college and then coached college OL for a long time. I would also say it doesn't matter how many studs you churn out either as long as your position group is solid.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 13, 2019 18:02:00 GMT -6
Probably an insecure coach who was using that as a defense mechanism.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 13, 2019 19:06:00 GMT -6
I am an offensive line and DB coach. I played the offensive line but I think I coach them both equally well.
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Post by agap on Feb 13, 2019 19:18:48 GMT -6
I agree with the others. I do think it might help if you played the position you coach, but that's not really the question.
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Post by byuwolverine on Feb 13, 2019 21:15:17 GMT -6
Playing and Coaching are not the same.
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Post by canesfan on Feb 13, 2019 21:34:33 GMT -6
That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Does this guy coach for our rival?
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Feb 14, 2019 2:15:02 GMT -6
So, does that mean I can only coach the bench?
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Post by jml on Feb 14, 2019 4:45:58 GMT -6
You don't have to be a horse to be a good jockey
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Post by pvogel on Feb 14, 2019 5:28:47 GMT -6
You don't have to be a horse to be a good jockey lol! I've said that "having a baby doesn't make you a gynecologist"
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Post by pvogel on Feb 14, 2019 5:31:25 GMT -6
So, does that mean I can only coach the bench? That's a big responsibility though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 5:52:48 GMT -6
So who should we accept as the authority here?
Clinic Speaker who has a highly successful career at the peak of his profession where he coaches at a Top 25 program, has developed All Americans, makes 6 figures, and gives the clinic talk.
Some random "acquaintance" with no notable background who says that Clinic Speaker is clueless because he never played the position.
Hmm... that's a tough one.
As for some quick examples off the top of my head...
Alex Gibbs was a DB growing up. He turned into one of the greatest OL coaches of all time.
LaVell Edwards developed more All American and HOF QBs than probably any other college coach of all time. He was an OL in his playing days.
Bill Walsh was famous for revolutionizing NFL offenses with the "West Coast Offense" and developing QBs. He played TE and DE.
Facts seem to prove your acquaintance wrong.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 14, 2019 6:51:29 GMT -6
So, does that mean I can only coach the bench? That's a big responsibility though I have worked for a couple of crazy dudes and definitely am glad I never had this job!
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 14, 2019 7:21:55 GMT -6
I guess I'm good to go then 1st grade RT 2nd QB 3rd RG/CB 4th DE/WR 5th LB/TE 6th TE/DE 7th DE 8th TE/DE 9th TE/DE 10th LB 11th LB/TE 12th WLB
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Post by emptybackfield on Feb 14, 2019 7:30:31 GMT -6
I encourage you to cut all ties (if possible) with this acquaintance. You're only going to get dumber hanging around him.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 14, 2019 8:44:51 GMT -6
I played OL/DL and a little goal line FB in high school. Now I am most comfortable working with DBs. I've coached all of the positions on the field and I'm an adequate coach with some, awful at others. But, I'm a much better coach for working with a variety of positions. dcohio has a great philosophy as an HC: he won't let a guy coach a position he's played. This forces them out of their comfort zone, to learn more about the game and grow as a coach.
I've coached with a fair number of guys who were standouts in high school and college at their positions but they weren't good at coaching them. They were exceptional athletes that picked up on the skills within the position they played quickly when playing. As such, they struggled to work with your average high school level player because they couldn't figure out that the skills weren't going to come to those kids as easily as it did to them.
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -6
One of the funnier things you hear is the euphoria coaches have when an x-NFL player wants to coach. Exactly! I was on a staff once that had 5 ex-nfl guys, and an additional 2 who played big time FBS but never made it to the league. Good guys, some could coach others couldn't, but I think as coaches most of us realize that playing and coaching are two different things. That being written, having those guys on staff sure attracted a LOT of talent to the school
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2019 9:19:02 GMT -6
So, does that mean I can only coach the bench? That's a big responsibility though That's a big dude. I guess he works a lot on rows and deadlifts and other pulls to be good at that. Probably some grip strength stuff would also be in his workout plan. Body weight training would also be very functional. Bench press would be stupid and should not be emphasized at all. I mean, who would ever have to push a coach while laying down on your back? Do you think he does triphasic undulating periodization macrocycle protocols? I can see where ladders and footwork training would have a direct effect on his performance also. What type of warmup do you think he does?
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Post by fkaboneyard on Feb 14, 2019 10:29:01 GMT -6
One of the funnier things you hear is the euphoria coaches have when an x-NFL player wants to coach. Exactly! I was on a staff once that had 5 ex-nfl guys, and an additional 2 who played big time FBS but never made it to the league. Good guys, some could coach others couldn't, but I think as coaches most of us realize that playing and coaching are two different things. That being written, having those guys on staff sure attracted a LOT of talent to the school
I've coached against three teams that had ex-NFL'ers as their HC and none of them could coach high school ball to save their life. It's always funny to see them come in with a big splash and act like they're going to maul everybody only to get destroyed. There's a local team that is HC'd by a former NFL linebacker and he came in making bold predictions about how he was going to make his school the linebacker Mecca, he's on twitter & instagram all day/every day telling people how awesome his program & kids are. Meanwhile his team is bad and his linebackers are awful. I watched a few of their games and they were a joke.
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Post by newhope on Feb 14, 2019 12:54:27 GMT -6
At a clinic this weekend an acquaintance suggested a certain presenter did not know what he was talking about because he never played the position. Thoughts? Said presenter coaches at a top 25 college and turns out All-Conference and All-American players now and then. I think said acquaintance is clueless
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Post by wingtol on Feb 14, 2019 12:57:42 GMT -6
Exactly! I was on a staff once that had 5 ex-nfl guys, and an additional 2 who played big time FBS but never made it to the league. Good guys, some could coach others couldn't, but I think as coaches most of us realize that playing and coaching are two different things. That being written, having those guys on staff sure attracted a LOT of talent to the school
I've coached against three teams that had ex-NFL'ers as their HC and none of them could coach high school ball to save their life. It's always funny to see them come in with a big splash and act like they're going to maul everybody only to get destroyed. There's a local team that is HC'd by a former NFL linebacker and he came in making bold predictions about how he was going to make his school the linebacker Mecca, he's on twitter & instagram all day/every day telling people how awesome his program & kids are. Meanwhile his team is bad and his linebackers are awful. I watched a few of their games and they were a joke.
First I am about 175 and coach the OL so you know where my vote is on this dumb comment. As far as NFL guys I love the story, if it's true or not is another topic, of Sean Payton getting advice from Gruden and Parcells on how to stop the single wing team that beat his youth team twice when he was suspended. NFL and HS are about as far apart as basic physics and a Steven Hawkins graduate physics course.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2019 13:09:52 GMT -6
As far as NFL guys I love the story, if it's true or not is another topic, of Sean Payton getting advice from Gruden and Parcells on how to stop the single wing team that beat his youth team twice when he was suspended. That is a great story. I heard him talk about it at a Bama clinic. They got beat something like 50-6 first time. Had NFL Hall of Fame coaches scheme against it for the championship game. And... Got beat like 28-0.
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2019 13:50:17 GMT -6
That is a great story. I heard him talk about it at a Bama clinic. They got beat something like 50-6 first time. Had NFL Hall of Fame coaches scheme against it for the championship game. And... Got beat like 28-0.
A writer once asked Vince Lombardi during his heyday what would happen if somebody in NFL went back to the Single Wing.
Lombardi's reply was "It would embarrass the hell out of all of us" as in nobody would remember how to defend it and run rampant.
They did, it was called the "Wildcat" and it caught the best coach ever off guard.
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