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Post by coachddwebb on Apr 11, 2018 10:29:10 GMT -6
What do you think about the Alliance of American Football and the head coaches they have so far?
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Post by 33coach on Apr 11, 2018 10:49:12 GMT -6
What do you think about the Alliance of American Football and the head coaches they have so far? the problems i see: 1) their rules remove special teams 2) their rules remove the ability for the league to gain ad revenue (who the f*** is going to pay the players?!) 3) we don't need a competing professional league we need feeder system like hockey and baseball. id love to see a farm system go into place.. taking the pro hockey model: NFL - Top Professional League AAF - Top Professional Affiliate to the NFL EFL/WFL (Eastern/Western Football League(s)) - Top Professional Affiliate to the AFL. then allow for the ability to have 2-way contracts and call ups ..etc. just like other sports.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 11, 2018 11:58:53 GMT -6
I don’t see the nfl springing for a farm system as long as there are free options like this league and the NCAA to do it for them.
A half-decent major junior league, one that avoids the hangers-on that often come with, could put a scare into the NCAA in maybe ten years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 12:46:00 GMT -6
More ball to watch, works for me
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Post by blb on Apr 11, 2018 13:13:13 GMT -6
More ball to watch, works for me And more coaching jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 13:24:45 GMT -6
More ball to watch, works for me And more coaching jobs. and more opportunities for players
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Post by 33coach on Apr 11, 2018 13:38:28 GMT -6
I don’t see the nfl springing for a farm system as long as there are free options like this league and the NCAA to do it for them. A half-decent major junior league, one that avoids the hangers-on that often come with, could put a scare into the NCAA in maybe ten years. yea a non-NCAA Major-Junior league could be good too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 13:59:35 GMT -6
What do you think about the Alliance of American Football and the head coaches they have so far? So far, the only coach announced is Steve Spurrier. Rick Neuheisel would like to go, too, but it's not official. It's clear that the people launching all these new leagues are smelling blood with the NFL's ratings declining and all the controversies, but I'm skeptical. Of all the pro leagues launched since the AFL/NFL merger (and there are a bunch nobody remembers), the only one to ever really sniff success was the USFL (until Donald Trump's ego killed it). What made the USFL work was that they were getting huge college stars and innovative up and coming coaches to run styles of play that nobody else was doing. As much respect as I have for Spurrier and Neuheisel, they're 71 and 57 and aren't exactly on the cutting edge of innovation anymore. The focus of the AAF rules is odd, too. Eliminating kickoffs and PATs doesn't seem like it'll do anything to bring in fans. Shaving 10 seconds off the play clock won't do that much to speed up the game and eliminating commercials is going to cut into the revenue. It looks exactly like what it is: a rich TV executive who doesn't really know football is trying to start his own league to "improve" upon things he personally doesn't get about the televised pro game. I do think it's possible for a new football league to be successful if it's done right, but IMO the way to do it is to focus on delivering a more fun, exciting, niche version of the game that connects with fans and focus on selling tickets in places without big pro franchises in place--kind of like the minor league baseball model. The AAF (and the new XFL) want to be the NFL and that's going to make it hard for them to come off as anything besides a pale imitation of it.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 11, 2018 14:02:03 GMT -6
As much as I enjoy football I'm not crazy about the idea. The NFL is the best of the best. The NCAA brings the passion of school rivalries, alumni and all that. Something in between doesn't really excite me. I don't watch CFL or arena league, I don't know that I'll spend much (if any) time watching this. But all that is just me, maybe people will love it.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Apr 11, 2018 14:22:33 GMT -6
I like watching the CFL. Just wish it was TV more so you can follow the teams better.
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Post by aceback76 on Apr 11, 2018 14:23:37 GMT -6
Dan Gonzalez & I were both offered positions on John Mc Gregor's staff, in McMahon's 2001 attempt to set up the league in 2001. The team never got off the ground. It was to be in Fresno. They were paying assistants $99,000 (which would double IF you won the Championship).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 14:26:53 GMT -6
Dan Gonzalez & I were both offered positions on John Mc Gregor's staff, in McMahon's 2001 attempt to set up the league in 2001. The team never got off the ground. It was to be in Fresno. They were paying assistants $99,000 (which would double IF you won the Championship). Sign me up
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 11, 2018 21:17:16 GMT -6
yourcallfootball.com is coming
Fans get 10 seconds to vote on one of 3 potential plays and the offense runs the play that gets the most votes... i think i will give it a try and watch a game when it comes out
why not
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Post by coachhusrey on Apr 11, 2018 23:23:29 GMT -6
Do you think they will actually play a game? Look how many new pro leagues have attempted to start and only a few have ever seen a game. UFL and XFL I think is the only one. Seems like every year a new pro league is starting then its the same cycle.
1. new league its going to be amazing 2. name teams and cities 3. hire coaches 4. draft players 5. announce a delay that it will start a year later to make sure its financially sound 6. either announce its folding before it ever started or just never hear from them again.
This is not only in the US. They tried to start a pro league in Europe about 9 or so years ago, 6 years ago they tried same thing in Brazil (apparently they are trying it again) and just a couple years ago they tried in in Australia.
I don't think any of the people doing these understand how much it costs to start and run a "pro" league.
A real minor league football league would be great as posted above. Not the beer league football that they try to pass off as "semi-pro" IM all for more football in the Spring.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 5:04:20 GMT -6
The size of the rosters and costs make a pro league prohibitive, Even if you only pay the players $30k, with a 50 man roster you're still looking at paying out at least 1.5 million in payroll per team. That's before you pay for coaches, officials, insurance, equipment, maintenance, transportation, etc. it's hard to recoup that on 4 or 5 home games a year in front of a few thousand people.
I think that if a new pro league ever gets off the ground, it'll be something like 6 man football with maybe 2 coaches per team and 2 way players. The Arena League came closest to making it and were actually pretty successful until internal politics and financial mismanagement split the league up.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 12, 2018 20:04:03 GMT -6
Don't shoot me but I actually liked some of what the XFL was doing..I thought the camera right behind the huddle was cool..I think if they can limit salaries it could work..shoot look at all the stupid programs on now
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Post by planck on Apr 12, 2018 20:06:54 GMT -6
I love college football and, to a lesser extent, professional ball. But man alive, the NCAA and NFL are run terribly. For the toll the sport takes on players and coaches (really, coaches' families) there's a lot of skimming off the top by suits. So I'm in favor of anything that puts power and compensation in the hands of players and coaches and away from administrators and bureaucrats.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 12, 2018 22:03:55 GMT -6
What do you think about the Alliance of American Football and the head coaches they have so far? The focus of the AAF rules is odd, too. Eliminating kickoffs and PATs doesn't seem like it'll do anything to bring in fans. Eliminating the try (rather than trying to improve it over & over) is long since overdue. That was the conclusion of this historic analysis I wrote ~20 yrs. ago. Eliminating kickoffs, not so much. As to speeding up play, the WLAF started with 35 sec. to play the ball from the preceding dead ball. That was the beginning of play clocks based on dead ball time rather than on ready ball time (which NFL later adopted a version of; the WLAF was in large part a rules testing bed for them), and their timing turned out to be a slightly faster pace than even Canadian football. However, it was conducive only to offenses that were very simple pre-snap, like run & shoot, where you might have just half a dozen calls in the huddle.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 12, 2018 22:16:15 GMT -6
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 13, 2018 13:58:16 GMT -6
There was a good video essay that analyzed how kickoffs are actually pretty boring. Even the KOR TDs are boring, they’re almost always a guy making one cut through a lane and then sprinting 80 yards.
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Post by planck on Apr 13, 2018 14:10:42 GMT -6
There are numerous good alternatives to kickoffs.
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Post by agap on Apr 13, 2018 14:20:34 GMT -6
Didn't the NFL copy a few things from the XFL? Part of the problem with the XFL was NBC, so it wasn't entirely the league's fault. I'm not going to lie, I'll probably check out the XFL in a couple years but I won't bother with the other leagues.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 13, 2018 15:16:43 GMT -6
The size of the rosters and costs make a pro league prohibitive, Even if you only pay the players $30k, with a 50 man roster you're still looking at paying out at least 1.5 million in payroll per team. That's before you pay for coaches, officials, insurance, equipment, maintenance, transportation, etc. it's hard to recoup that on 4 or 5 home games a year in front of a few thousand people. That's why I, and it looks like a lot of us in this thread, think a better option would be upgrading one or more existing adult amateur minor league into a true semi-pro league. Cut costs by keeping rosters short, hiring fewer staff & officials, organizing regionally (to cut travel), paying less for talent (of players & coaches), & keeping the season short enough that everyone involved can pursue a serious career outside the season. Don't compete w the NFL for talent; they might wind up competing w baseball, etc. for athletes, but there are enough who are interested in playing only football who wouldn't mind having their hobby subsidized enough to afford it.
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Post by blb on Apr 13, 2018 15:29:39 GMT -6
There are numerous good alternatives to kickoffs.
What about Onside late in game?
i.e. How does trailing team that scores in last minute or less have a chance to get ball back and win or tie?
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 13, 2018 15:29:41 GMT -6
There was a good video essay that analyzed how kickoffs are actually pretty boring. Even the KOR TDs are boring, they’re almost always a guy making one cut through a lane and then sprinting 80 yards. Yes, they usually require a coverage mistake. But you can say that about a lot of things in football. Free kicks could be made a lot more interesting on both sides of the ball. Allow the kicking team to bounce the ball over a boundary for field position, which would cause the receiving team to spread out to cover wide. Allow the kicking team to play the ball in the air. And allow them to advance their recovery. Returns could be more interesting if both sides could kick onsides. Then the cover team needs to guard against that, opening runback possibilities that don't depend on an out-&-out breakdown. The balance might be altered enough that the choice of whether to kick or receive after being scored against would need to be reinstated. Of course Fed never got rid of the choice, and Canadian football never banned the kickoff team from playing the ball in the air or advancing it, and didn't get rid of onside kick possibilities for both teams. Or you could go the other way and do it like American Sevens (formerly Town Beef, the helmetless, soft-padding-only league), which has a 3-vs.-1-receiver throw-off. But I don't favor a game as simplified as theirs.
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Post by bobgoodman on Apr 13, 2018 15:31:38 GMT -6
There are numerous good alternatives to kickoffs.
What about Onside late in game?
i.e. How does trailing team that scores in last minute or less have a chance to get ball back and win or tie?
Heck, I even think both teams in basketball should be allowed to contest for possession of a ball after it passes thru the goal. Like rebounding a shot whether it scores or not. But then they should have to get the ball outside the lane before they shoot again, just to keep a player w inside position from putting in 10 layups in 10 secs.
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Post by planck on Apr 13, 2018 17:11:20 GMT -6
There are numerous good alternatives to kickoffs.
What about Onside late in game?
i.e. How does trailing team that scores in last minute or less have a chance to get ball back and win or tie?
Ironically, the NCAA just changed the rule so all fair catches inside the 25 are touchbacks, which may solve one issue of the violence and boredom of kickoffs without eliminating onside kicks. One of my favorite suggestions for getting rid of kick offs is the team who just scored has the option of giving the opponent the ball on the 25 (i.e. an artificial touch back) or a taking a 4th and long (I forget the yardage) around their 40. You preserve most of the field position issues inherent in choosing to onside kick while removing the danger of kickoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 18:21:57 GMT -6
What about Onside late in game?
i.e. How does trailing team that scores in last minute or less have a chance to get ball back and win or tie?
Ironically, the NCAA just changed the rule so all fair catches inside the 25 are touchbacks, which may solve one issue of the violence and boredom of kickoffs without eliminating onside kicks. One of my favorite suggestions for getting rid of kick offs is the team who just scored has the option of giving the opponent the ball on the 25 (i.e. an artificial touch back) or a taking a 4th and long (I forget the yardage) around their 40. You preserve most of the field position issues inherent in choosing to onside kick while removing the danger of kickoffs. if its that dangerous(its not) then why put kids in jeopardy at all(not a question).
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Post by planck on Apr 13, 2018 18:40:45 GMT -6
I think a lot of danger in football is overrated, but the kickoff is the most dangerous play in the game IMO.
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Post by Defcord on Apr 13, 2018 20:23:04 GMT -6
The size of the rosters and costs make a pro league prohibitive, Even if you only pay the players $30k, with a 50 man roster you're still looking at paying out at least 1.5 million in payroll per team. That's before you pay for coaches, officials, insurance, equipment, maintenance, transportation, etc. it's hard to recoup that on 4 or 5 home games a year in front of a few thousand people. I think that if a new pro league ever gets off the ground, it'll be something like 6 man football with maybe 2 coaches per team and 2 way players. The Arena League came closest to making it and were actually pretty successful until internal politics and financial mismanagement split the league up. You only need a dozen or so rich guys that want to play real life madden to foot the bill. How about a Booster league? They take the big time boosters from each conference and let them buy stakes in a team that puts together an all star team of their favorite stars from their former schools that don’t get drafted or can’t get picked up. Each power 5 conference gets a team, each group of 5 gets a team and anyone else is a free agent. In all seriousness there are guys that can lose the money without blinking. If they could buy into a team of a league that had any serious chance of building momentum they could see substantial gains from potential buyout or being embraced and growing. The values of franchises have grown exponentially over the last couple decades. It’s a lottery ticket that would allow the billionaires to pretend that they are the next Jerry Jones. I don’t think any of this could happen but when it comes to entertainment anything is possible.
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