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Post by coachcb on Apr 11, 2018 13:25:30 GMT -6
We've a group of 4 rising seniors that I've been banging my head against the wall trying to get them to come out and run track for me. They're all terrific football players, but they would all be better served with some speed because WHO WOULDN'T BE. It's been frustration for the last two months. I see them training with one of our JV assts (who is a certified trainer) last Saturday at our field. Talking to them yesterday, I ask how much they're paying for that. $20 a session, but "it's worth it, he's helped me so much with my 40 times!" TRACK IS FREE AND WHAT THE F*** DO YOU THINK WE DO WITH THE SPRINTERS??? This coach would have been fired from any staff I have ever worked on. We had a middle school coach who was charging the kids for "speed sessions" using school equipment about a decade ago. He had offered to help out with our S&C program in the beginning of the summer just so he could get keys to the equipment. He showed up to a couple of morning sessions and then disappeared. I saw him unlocking the cage and pulling out our Speed City gear and charging middle school and high school kids $30 per session. I informed the AD and the HC, we swapped out the padlocks to the cage and he was not brought back as a middle school coach the next year. I won't begrudge someone for trying to make a living..But it's pretty shady to be a coach and using your relationship with the kids and parents at a school to make a buck. As I have stated before, I'm a CSCS certified trainer and I won't take on middle school or high school clients if there are free S&C sessions offered at their schools. This has actually helped me gain clients as the communities are appreciative of the fact that I won't take money out of people's pockets when the service is being offered for free elsewhere.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 11, 2018 16:21:00 GMT -6
We've a group of 4 rising seniors that I've been banging my head against the wall trying to get them to come out and run track for me. They're all terrific football players, but they would all be better served with some speed because WHO WOULDN'T BE. It's been frustration for the last two months. I see them training with one of our JV assts (who is a certified trainer) last Saturday at our field. Talking to them yesterday, I ask how much they're paying for that. $20 a session, but "it's worth it, he's helped me so much with my 40 times!" TRACK IS FREE AND WHAT THE F*** DO YOU THINK WE DO WITH THE SPRINTERS??? This coach would have been fired from any staff I have ever worked on. We had a middle school coach who was charging the kids for "speed sessions" using school equipment about a decade ago. He had offered to help out with our S&C program in the beginning of the summer just so he could get keys to the equipment. He showed up to a couple of morning sessions and then disappeared. I saw him unlocking the cage and pulling out our Speed City gear and charging middle school and high school kids $30 per session. I informed the AD and the HC, we swapped out the padlocks to the cage and he was not brought back as a middle school coach the next year. I won't begrudge someone for trying to make a living..But it's pretty shady to be a coach and using your relationship with the kids and parents at a school to make a buck. As I have stated before, I'm a CSCS certified trainer and I won't take on middle school or high school clients if there are free S&C sessions offered at their schools. This has actually helped me gain clients as the communities are appreciative of the fact that I won't take money out of people's pockets when the service is being offered for free elsewhere. What about the kids who are locked into schools with crappy S&C programs or coaches? That sucks for them to not be able to get your services. And whats schools have ZERO S&C program? Never heard of one. Therefore it sounds like you are training no one in middle/high school. Would you be oppossed to training them on top of what they do at school? Meaning they do the school program 100% and then come to you at other times. And you know what the school did so you don’t overtrain them.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Apr 11, 2018 18:32:53 GMT -6
it's an interesting study in how we process and value things though, I'm sure there's a name for it that some social scientist came up with, but we will always value things that we pay for more than what comes for free. This comes from the basic human belief we all hold which states WE are awesome and really smart, so it follows that if we decide to pay for something, then that thing must be really good, because we are really smart and awesome. The guy that i'm paying 100 bucks an hour to MUST know more about playing wide receiver than my son's high school coach, because he costs 100 bucks an hour and my son's high school coach is free. The guy that I'm paying thousands of dollars to invest my money must be a stock market expert because he costs thousands, disregard the fact that several studies have shown these experts never out perform random chance when picking stocks. If it costs, it must be good, the more it costs, the better it must be There's definitely something to this. When I was a kid our dog went into heat, another dog jumped the fence & drilled her and we had a dozen puppies some time later. My single mom could barely afford to feed us let alone a bunch of pups. She put them in the free ads and couldn't unload a single one. Then she put them in the classifieds for $25 each and they flew out of there. Lesson learned.
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Post by coachklee on Apr 11, 2018 19:48:49 GMT -6
it's an interesting study in how we process and value things though, I'm sure there's a name for it that some social scientist came up with, but we will always value things that we pay for more than what comes for free. This comes from the basic human belief we all hold which states WE are awesome and really smart, so it follows that if we decide to pay for something, then that thing must be really good, because we are really smart and awesome. The guy that i'm paying 100 bucks an hour to MUST know more about playing wide receiver than my son's high school coach, because he costs 100 bucks an hour and my son's high school coach is free. The guy that I'm paying thousands of dollars to invest my money must be a stock market expert because he costs thousands, disregard the fact that several studies have shown these experts never out perform random chance when picking stocks. If it costs, it must be good, the more it costs, the better it must be There's definitely something to this. When I was a kid our dog went into heat, another dog jumped the fence & drilled her and we had a dozen puppies some time later. My single mom could barely afford to feed us let alone a bunch of pups. She put them in the free ads and couldn't unload a single one. Then she put them in the classifieds for $25 each and they flew out of there. Lesson learned. Fair enough. Makes no sense & a ton of sense all at the same time!
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Post by jrk5150 on Apr 12, 2018 7:44:10 GMT -6
Yes, that's something I've learned when designing/implementing employee programs.
If you want people to value something, they need to have skin in the game. We get a much bigger bump in morale when we have employees pay a small/nominal amount for something than if we offer it for free. Free gets taken for granted.
Consultants can come in and say the exact same thing that your internal manager/trainers were saying, but because they come in from the outside, they are perceived to have greater expertise.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 12, 2018 11:19:14 GMT -6
This coach would have been fired from any staff I have ever worked on. We had a middle school coach who was charging the kids for "speed sessions" using school equipment about a decade ago. He had offered to help out with our S&C program in the beginning of the summer just so he could get keys to the equipment. He showed up to a couple of morning sessions and then disappeared. I saw him unlocking the cage and pulling out our Speed City gear and charging middle school and high school kids $30 per session. I informed the AD and the HC, we swapped out the padlocks to the cage and he was not brought back as a middle school coach the next year. I won't begrudge someone for trying to make a living..But it's pretty shady to be a coach and using your relationship with the kids and parents at a school to make a buck. As I have stated before, I'm a CSCS certified trainer and I won't take on middle school or high school clients if there are free S&C sessions offered at their schools. This has actually helped me gain clients as the communities are appreciative of the fact that I won't take money out of people's pockets when the service is being offered for free elsewhere. What about the kids who are locked into schools with crappy S&C programs or coaches? That sucks for them to not be able to get your services. And whats schools have ZERO S&C program? Never heard of one. Therefore it sounds like you are training no one in middle/high school. Would you be oppossed to training them on top of what they do at school? Meaning they do the school program 100% and then come to you at other times. And you know what the school did so you don’t overtrain them. I have been approached by parents from one school where I know the S&C program is sub-par, to say the least (I have had many discussions with their PE teacher/S&C coach about programming and she's an idiot). Their high school weight training classes are crap and their before/after school stuff isn't any better. I feel they would get more out of a few sessions with me. But, for me, it's a matter of professional decorum. Yes, I think they would get a better product by paying for my services but the SOME form of S&C is still being offered for free but I don't want to undermine the whole school's weight training program and st (basically in every sport) by taking their kids on as a client. I live, teach and coach in a sparsely populated, rural area and my reputation as a teacher and a coach would take a huge hit if I started training kids from these schools. I do have a couple of 6th graders that I work with but that is because they don't have any kind of S&C program for them at their schools. At my school, I allow the 6th graders to come in and train with the junior high kids but the other schools don't allow it. So, I do have a small base of school age clients. They're a lot of fun to work with and I don't charge mom and dad much for it as we're doing a ton of SAQ work, flexibility stuff, body weight training and we do very basic weight training. Yes, I would train kids if they were working out at their prospective schools and then coming to me. I have done this in the past when the S&C program has revolved solely around weight training and there hasn't been any SAQ work done. The schools around here do SAQ work so there aren't any clientele available for me.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 27, 2018 15:52:05 GMT -6
I’m not joking - one of these shady 7-7 coaches, who unfortunately has notoriety among the parents of the kids I coach, is offering his services on how to “successfully attend college camp”. Includes how to execute drills confidently and show good body language.
I swear people like this are the same people who try to sell ice to Eskimos.
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Post by carookie on May 27, 2018 16:43:54 GMT -6
I’m not joking - one of these shady 7-7 coaches, who unfortunately has notoriety among the parents of the kids I coach, is offering his services on how to “successfully attend college camp”. Includes how to execute drills confidently and show good body language. I swear people like this are the same people who try to sell ice to Eskimos. I used to work for a guy who spent a lot of time doing the same thing. But then again, how different is it than college guys working with a trainer to get ready for the combine? I've known a few of those combine gurus and that sounds a lot like what they say.
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 27, 2018 16:49:03 GMT -6
I’m not joking - one of these shady 7-7 coaches, who unfortunately has notoriety among the parents of the kids I coach, is offering his services on how to “successfully attend college camp”. Includes how to execute drills confidently and show good body language. I swear people like this are the same people who try to sell ice to Eskimos. I used to work for a guy who spent a lot of time doing the same thing. But then again, how different is it than college guys working with a trainer to get ready for the combine? I've known a few of those combine gurus and that sounds a lot like what they say. I agree. They’re no different. High school kids wanting a scholarships is just a much bigger sea to fish than college kids wanting to do well at the NFL combine.
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