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Post by gators41 on Feb 22, 2018 11:47:10 GMT -6
Thoughts on this. From a non Head Coaches perspective.
I have seen both sides here. During practice will you say something to the WR's if you are the RB coach?
To me, if everyone is on the same page as they should be, theoretically you should be able to give a correction to anyone.
I have worked with guys that take this personally.
My only rule is dont say anything to the QB about reads. That should come from one constant voice. By all means if he doesnt carry out a fake, ball security or anything like that, get him.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Coach Vice on Feb 22, 2018 12:05:47 GMT -6
It depends on how much you know about what's being taught...that can be much less than you think. Even as a head coach, I'm very hesitant to say something on the fly. I'm not totally sure that a position coach didn't just make an executive decision that he hasn't had time to speak with me about. This kind of confusion creates bad optics. The last thing I want is to tell a kid to do things one way and his position coach just told him to do it another way. The kids are going to think that we don't have our scat together and now we have trust issues.
That being said, I'd feel free to ALWAYS coach kids up on the things that don't change:
- Hustle
- Attitude
- Body Language
- Enthusiasm
- Etc.
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Post by gators41 on Feb 22, 2018 12:13:34 GMT -6
It depends on how much you know about what's being taught...that can be much less than you think. Even as a head coach, I'm very hesitant to say something on the fly. I'm not totally sure that a position coach didn't just make an executive decision that he hasn't had time to speak with me about. This kind of confusion creates bad optics. The last thing I want is to tell a kid to do things one way and his position coach just told him to do it another way. The kids are going to think that we don't have our scat together and now we have trust issues. That being said, I'd feel free to ALWAYS coach kids up on the things that don't change: - Hustle - Attitude - Body Language - Enthusiasm - Etc. Its posts like these that make me love this board. Just Awesome!!! We are a tempo team and have to do a lot of coaching on the fly. I have either been the HC of OC the pasy 8 years and I can get caught up in the moment. |
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Post by **** on Feb 22, 2018 12:23:13 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach.
Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball.
HC can coach anybody he wants.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 22, 2018 12:39:07 GMT -6
I don't like it unless it comes from the HC or coordinator.
I'm very specific the way I organize drills and teach things. Unless you're right there with me at the hip during the day practice planning and goal setting for the day, don't tell my group what they're doing or not doing right when it comes to mechanics and scheme (effort is fine).
Lighting up another position coach on the field because of how his players are performing is about one of the most unprofessional things you can do in this line of work IMO.
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Post by CS on Feb 22, 2018 12:45:34 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach. Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball. HC can coach anybody he wants. This. I'm one of those coaches that gets upset if my guys are being coached by someone else. HUGE pet peeve of mine. I know for a fact that your kids are doing something wrong so coach your own |
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Post by gators41 on Feb 22, 2018 12:54:43 GMT -6
I don't like it unless it comes from the HC or coordinator. I'm very specific the way I organize drills and teach things. Unless you're right there with me at the hip during the day practice planning and goal setting for the day, don't tell my group what they're doing or not doing right when it comes to mechanics and scheme (effort is fine). Lighting up another position coach on the field because of how his players are performing is about one of the most unprofessional things you can do in this line of work IMO. Totally agree. As a HC or OC I feel like I should be able to coach anyone. Still have had friction with that before. Never want to get on a coach in practice, Doesnt seem worth it. HOWEVER The Great, Late, Bill Walsh felt differently. Steve Young: Whenever somebody messed up in practice, he would go to the coach over at the position that screwed up and just light that coach up. "I can't believe you've allowed this to happen." He knew the coach was not at risk, but he knew the player was at risk and knew that he wanted the player to know, "You screwed this up royally." The player would say, "Sorry, coach, I've got to pick that up." That was another technique of Bill's, to make a space for people to be yelled at in front of the whole team but not directly. |
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Post by coachtua on Feb 22, 2018 12:55:13 GMT -6
We have a hard rule, no cross coaching.
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Post by familyman56 on Feb 22, 2018 12:55:43 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach. Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball. HC can coach anybody he wants.
What about an O-line coach giving instruction to full backs and TE's? From a run blocking perspective they have to be integrated well or it doesn't work. Is that solely the OC's job?
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Post by CoachC on Feb 22, 2018 13:03:38 GMT -6
I'm all for the HC talking to anyone he wants... I'm an OC for an up tempo team, position coaches need to focus on their own groups. That being said, I also believe (as stated previously) that any coach can get on any athlete about hustle, attitude and effort.
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Post by **** on Feb 22, 2018 14:36:41 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach. Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball. HC can coach anybody he wants.
What about an O-line coach giving instruction to full backs and TE's? From a run blocking perspective they have to be integrated well or it doesn't work. Is that solely the OC's job?
It’s the job of the TE or Backfield coach. Along with the OC. If the TEs are glorified OL because you run the SW/DW/etc maybe. But only if you don’t have a TEs coach already. If you don’t have a TE/WR coach you probably only have 2 coaches on the offensive staff. Line and backs. That is a completely different world that I have experienced. Chit is different under those circumstances. But you’re still either watching the line or the backfield. Not both. In a normal situation the OL coach only coaches the OL. Watch your 5 kids, that’s your responsibility. The backfield, TE, and WR coach should be watching their kids. End of discussion. |
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Post by goldenbull70 on Feb 22, 2018 14:51:52 GMT -6
I'm an oline guy and where I coach I don't say anything at all to the guys outside of the attitude etc. as mentioned before. Heck, I have a hard enough time watching all 5 linemen, let alone all the other guys as well.
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Post by fantom on Feb 22, 2018 15:23:18 GMT -6
Thoughts on this. From a non Head Coaches perspective. I have seen both sides here. During practice will you say something to the WR's if you are the RB coach? To me, if everyone is on the same page as they should be, theoretically you should be able to give a correction to anyone. I have worked with guys that take this personally. My only rule is dont say anything to the QB about reads. That should come from one constant voice. By all means if he doesnt carry out a fake, ball security or anything like that, get him. What do you guys think? I'm one of those guys who gets annoyed when somebody tries to coach one of my players so I won't do it to anybody else. |
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 22, 2018 15:36:07 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach. Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball. HC can coach anybody he wants.
What about an O-line coach giving instruction to full backs and TE's? From a run blocking perspective they have to be integrated well or it doesn't work. Is that solely the OC's job?
OL coaches the OL, backs coach coaches the back. Period. One exception I can think of is when a coach has an excused absence. Like our LB coach last year was gone for the birth of his daughter and I coached the entire front 7/8 for a few weeks. |
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Post by blb on Feb 22, 2018 15:40:44 GMT -6
The Head Coach should be the only one who can comment on or criticize another coach's position.
You think another coach's players are negatively affecting yours?
Discuss it after practice in office.
But do not coach another's on the field.
One of the worst things you can do.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 22, 2018 17:26:20 GMT -6
I am in line with most of these guys. There’s really not much reason to coach up another position.
I have been in seven programs in my career. The three that had winning records this just didn’t happen. The four that had losing records it was rampant.
Goes back to the cliche: “Do your job.”
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Post by aceback76 on Feb 22, 2018 18:14:48 GMT -6
Thoughts on this. From a non Head Coaches perspective. I have seen both sides here. During practice will you say something to the WR's if you are the RB coach? To me, if everyone is on the same page as they should be, theoretically you should be able to give a correction to anyone. I have worked with guys that take this personally. My only rule is dont say anything to the QB about reads. That should come from one constant voice. By all means if he doesnt carry out a fake, ball security or anything like that, get him. What do you guys think? I prefer they DON'T. Only ONE PERSON talks to my QB's (ME)! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:07:44 GMT -6
We have an agreement amongst staff we will not coach each others kids, we can talk with them encourage them, interact as players and staff, but when it comes to anything technical about their position, then only the position coach and in SOME cases the HC will say something to them .
If the HC sent one of us to speak with a player in another position we tell the position coach 1st, if the player approaches a coach from another position, to ask a question regarding a position BOTH coaches will speak with the player
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 22, 2018 20:01:14 GMT -6
technique/schematic issue... should come from his position coach, coordinator, or head coach
if it is an effort issue... then i think it is fair game for anyone on staff to get on him
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Post by agap on Feb 22, 2018 20:58:57 GMT -6
I don't think it should happen. When I was coaching LB's about 5-6 years ago, another coach would always talk to them between series when I was in the box. He was actually trying to tell them the same thing they were being coached/taught, but he used different terminology and explained it a different way. The LB's were confused and it took awhile to get things straightened out.
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 22, 2018 21:05:24 GMT -6
IMO the RB coach shouldn’t say chit to the WRs because that means he’s not watching his RBs. WR coach should coach the WRs, not the RB coach. Coordinator can coach any position on their side of the ball. HC can coach anybody he wants.
What about an O-line coach giving instruction to full backs and TE's? From a run blocking perspective they have to be integrated well or it doesn't work. Is that solely the OC's job?
Good question...our TEs cross train, sometimes with the WRs sometimes with the OL. We don’t have a TE coach so those guys take care of the position when they are working with their group, in team they coach them when appropriate. FB/H is on the RB coach and OC |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 22, 2018 21:27:15 GMT -6
Thoughts on this. From a non Head Coaches perspective. I have seen both sides here. During practice will you say something to the WR's if you are the RB coach? To me, if everyone is on the same page as they should be, theoretically you should be able to give a correction to anyone. I have worked with guys that take this personally. My only rule is dont say anything to the QB about reads. That should come from one constant voice. By all means if he doesnt carry out a fake, ball security or anything like that, get him. What do you guys think? Huge lack of professionalism in my opinion. Never correct another position coach's players if you and the coach are on the same "tier" . Coordinators can speak to anyone on their side of the ball, HC obviously anyone on the squad. |
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 23, 2018 4:33:02 GMT -6
In my current situation as an assistant coach I do not say anything to players at a position other than the one I coach unless it is to say something to the effect of "great hustle". I DO walk over and say something to the position coach like "hey I noticed your _______ is doing this. Don't you want him to do this instead?" I also don't really like it when anyone coaches up the position I coach. Obviously the head coach and coordinator can talk to anyone.
As a head coach (in another life) I had a rule to focus on your own position and if need be say something to the position coach discretely. Often times my OL coach (who was a great OL coach) would try to coach up the RBs and that just created confusion. Even as head coach I tried to NOT step on the OL Coach's toes. He knew what he was doing. I just told him my observations. He coached them up.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 23, 2018 8:27:08 GMT -6
I got a good situation with HC I have been with for last decade or so. I have also known him since we were 4 years old so with that being said...
I'm the DC/OL coach so on defense I say whatever I want to whoever I want. When we are doing team O I also have free reign to correct what I see no matter the position. We also have a veteran staff, good friends of mine who have been coaching the same stuff for a long time and everyone knows their role. It's hard to explain but they aren't all "football guys" in a sense, great with kids, know their positions, great in-game stuff, know how our schemes work, etc. but when it comes to getting it all done they know the HC, myself, and our other OL coach at times, are the ones who have carte blanche to say whatever to whoever if that makes sense.
Like I said I got it good and everyone gets along, we've got over 100 wins as a staff so it works for us.
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Post by wolverine55 on Feb 23, 2018 8:30:32 GMT -6
Thoughts on this. From a non Head Coaches perspective. I have seen both sides here. During practice will you say something to the WR's if you are the RB coach? To me, if everyone is on the same page as they should be, theoretically you should be able to give a correction to anyone. I have worked with guys that take this personally. My only rule is dont say anything to the QB about reads. That should come from one constant voice. By all means if he doesnt carry out a fake, ball security or anything like that, get him. What do you guys think? To me, you can be on the same page as a staff, yet still not know the exact intricacies of how a position is coached, especially in terminology as another post pointed out. I agree on the effort point, but when it comes to technique, that should really only come from the position coach. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 23, 2018 9:47:54 GMT -6
Effort
Attitude
Body Language
These are fair game for anyone of us to coach up at any time.
But technique and details etc. come from the position coach or coordinator only.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 23, 2018 10:33:49 GMT -6
100% agree with Anders. Side note - Nothing is more comical than skill guys correcting OL guys on the technical aspect of blocking. The good coaches usually keep to themselves or kind of do it off to the side and that's fine. Keep it schematic or add a little this or that. But, when you get young skill coaches trying to teach OL how to block, that's always comedic gold. "You can do it, put your back into it!"
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Post by conrad81 on Feb 24, 2018 18:16:34 GMT -6
What's the purpose of the hierarchy of a staff if any coach can coach any player?
My rules were always:
1. position coaches only coach their position. (If you see something address it in coaches' room)
2. Coordinators can coach any position on their side of the ball - but should coach the position coaches to coach the position players.
3. HFC can coach any kid at any position - but prefer to go through coordinators and position coaches.
Smooth running machine when everyone is on the same page and coaching up their players every play!
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Post by canesfan on Feb 24, 2018 21:29:33 GMT -6
As a DC I coached everyone defensively. Especially, if a mistake wasn’t corrected.
As a HC, I’ll coach everyone, but mostly stick to defensive instruction. Ultimately, I think it is best if the position coach does it. But I think as the coordinator or head coach you should be able to correct guys as needed.
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Post by okiepadokie on Feb 24, 2018 23:07:09 GMT -6
HC, OC, DC has the right. Otherwise, leave ‘em the f alone.
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