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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 25, 2018 8:39:19 GMT -6
I will do it sometimes but I coordinate. When I am just a position coach, I do not talk to other people's positions. At my last school I was the varsity offensive line coach and me and our running back coach almost came to blows because he started talking to my lineman during a film session. Worry about your {censored} running back.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 25, 2018 9:02:15 GMT -6
"As a DC I coach everyone defensively. Especially, if a mistake wasn’t corrected." Me, too. I try to let the other guys do their job, but sometimes it doesn't always happen. If I see something wrong, I will jump in.
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Post by MICoach on Feb 28, 2018 7:59:15 GMT -6
OL Coach - I try not to, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't occasionally talk to the backs about pass protection.
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Post by gators41 on Feb 28, 2018 8:22:53 GMT -6
OL Coach - I try not to, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't occasionally talk to the backs about pass protection. This. I have been on staffs where everyone got along, spent a lot of time on the offense together, and when there was some cross over like this, no one got their feelings hurt. The QB coach may have needed to say something to the WRs because it affects his postion. Same with the OL and Rb during Pass pro. I have also been on staffs where people were so sensitive that it didnt matter who said anthing to their guys, HC or OC, they took it personal and would pout. Guess which staff went to multiple state championship games?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 28, 2018 8:53:42 GMT -6
So, what are your thoughts in this situation:
I was coaching the WRs one year and our pass skelly sessions were crap as our QBs had terrible footwork and throwing technique. And, the QBs couldn't read coverage to save their lives. The QBs were either missing the WR by a mile or throwing the ball right into coverage. I talked to the HC/OC/QB coach about it several times in the office but he really didn't have a clue.
During one particularly bad session, our HC/OC/QB coach was working with the varsity crew while I coached the JV. I got fed up and started coaching up the JV QBs on the basic technique and the fundamentals of reading a coverage. Things picked up and our pass skelly sessions improved dramatically. The HC left me to run the varsity and JV sessions a few days later so that he could work with the OL. I pulled the varsity QBs aside and taught them the same things I taught the JV guys.
The HC/OC/QB coach saw me doing it and chewed my a-- out after practice. Now, bear in mind, I wasn't teaching them any skills contrary to what he had been coaching; just actually giving them coaching points that he wasn't. I stood there and took the a-- chewing for a little bit ("You need to be focused on the WRs, not the QBs!! That's my position!!") and then pointed out that our passing game had improved since I started working with both the WRs and the QBs during these drills. He didn't have much to say other than repeating his rant about me focusing on the WRs. After that, I just left it alone and did what he wanted.
Would this be considered an over-step in boundaries?
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Post by gators41 on Feb 28, 2018 9:11:27 GMT -6
So, what are your thoughts in this situation: I was coaching the WRs one year and our pass skelly sessions were crap as our QBs had terrible footwork and throwing technique. And, the QBs couldn't read coverage to save their lives. The QBs were either missing the WR by a mile or throwing the ball right into coverage. I talked to the HC/OC/QB coach about it several times in the office but he really didn't have a clue. During one particularly bad session, our HC/OC/QB coach was working with the varsity crew while I coached the JV. I got fed up and started coaching up the JV QBs on the basic technique and the fundamentals of reading a coverage. Things picked up and our pass skelly sessions improved dramatically. The HC left me to run the varsity and JV sessions a few days later so that he could work with the OL. I pulled the varsity QBs aside and taught them the same things I taught the JV guys. The HC/OC/QB coach saw me doing it and chewed my a-- out after practice. Now, bear in mind, I wasn't teaching them any skills contrary to what he had been coaching; just actually giving them coaching points that he wasn't. I stood there and took the a-- chewing for a little bit ("You need to be focused on the WRs, not the QBs!! That's my position!!") and then pointed out that our passing game had improved since I started working with both the WRs and the QBs during these drills. He didn't have much to say other than repeating his rant about me focusing on the WRs. After that, I just left it alone and did what he wanted. Would this be considered an over-step in boundaries? Unfortunately yes it is. Its that mans program. He may not know anything, his QBs cant throw it in the ocean. But if he feels that way, then thats they way it is. Get out is all you can do. The worst part about this is the kids, they are the ones who are suffering.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 28, 2018 9:29:14 GMT -6
So, what are your thoughts in this situation: I was coaching the WRs one year and our pass skelly sessions were crap as our QBs had terrible footwork and throwing technique. And, the QBs couldn't read coverage to save their lives. The QBs were either missing the WR by a mile or throwing the ball right into coverage. I talked to the HC/OC/QB coach about it several times in the office but he really didn't have a clue. During one particularly bad session, our HC/OC/QB coach was working with the varsity crew while I coached the JV. I got fed up and started coaching up the JV QBs on the basic technique and the fundamentals of reading a coverage. Things picked up and our pass skelly sessions improved dramatically. The HC left me to run the varsity and JV sessions a few days later so that he could work with the OL. I pulled the varsity QBs aside and taught them the same things I taught the JV guys. The HC/OC/QB coach saw me doing it and chewed my a-- out after practice. Now, bear in mind, I wasn't teaching them any skills contrary to what he had been coaching; just actually giving them coaching points that he wasn't. I stood there and took the a-- chewing for a little bit ("You need to be focused on the WRs, not the QBs!! That's my position!!") and then pointed out that our passing game had improved since I started working with both the WRs and the QBs during these drills. He didn't have much to say other than repeating his rant about me focusing on the WRs. After that, I just left it alone and did what he wanted. Would this be considered an over-step in boundaries? Unfortunately yes it is. Its that mans program. He may not know anything, his QBs cant throw it in the ocean. But if he feels that way, then thats they way it is. Get out is all you can do. The worst part about this is the kids, they are the ones who are suffering. I got out of that program the next year as we had an awful season because of our offense's complete inability to move the ball. And, that was due to our HCs inflated ego. Out of the five assistants, one guy hung around for another year and then quit.
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Post by junior6589 on Feb 28, 2018 9:40:33 GMT -6
I definitely adhere to the "stay in your lane" philosophy when it comes to critiquing or coaching other players. However, I am on a small staff. Only 4 paid assistants and 1 focuses on JV. We are a very tight-knit staff - been together for 6 years now.
I'm the OL coach so when we are on Team O, our RBs coach (who is the DC) runs the scout D. So I will run the protection and coach up the RBs if needed. If there's something I can help when it comes to a run game coaching point, I will make it to them too.We also have blocking installs early in the week that I run when the WRs are doing individual blocking and the QBs are doing drills with the OC/QB coach. The passing game? I don't touch at all.
I don't see it as stepping on toes, it's just the nature of a small staff.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 28, 2018 12:55:47 GMT -6
I don't think it's an issue if things marry together. E.G. OL coach talking to RBs during pass pro/blitz pickup. I got pissed when RB coach chewed my tackle for not blocking our read guy on inside veer during a film session.
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Post by MICoach on Feb 28, 2018 13:00:21 GMT -6
I definitely adhere to the "stay in your lane" philosophy when it comes to critiquing or coaching other players. However, I am on a small staff. Only 4 paid assistants and 1 focuses on JV. We are a very tight-knit staff - been together for 6 years now. I'm the OL coach so when we are on Team O, our RBs coach (who is the DC) runs the scout D. So I will run the protection and coach up the RBs if needed. If there's something I can help when it comes to a run game coaching point, I will make it to them too.We also have blocking installs early in the week that I run when the WRs are doing individual blocking and the QBs are doing drills with the OC/QB coach. The passing game? I don't touch at all. I don't see it as stepping on toes, it's just the nature of a small staff. I didn't even think about it but this is probably part of why I end up talking to our RB's fairly often - our RB coach runs the scout D a lot of the time. I think it's also important to know you're coaching the right things too. I wouldn't ever say something to a RB I wasn't 100% confident in, if I have a question about it I bring it up with the RB coach after practice.
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Post by junior6589 on Feb 28, 2018 18:14:49 GMT -6
I definitely adhere to the "stay in your lane" philosophy when it comes to critiquing or coaching other players. However, I am on a small staff. Only 4 paid assistants and 1 focuses on JV. We are a very tight-knit staff - been together for 6 years now. I'm the OL coach so when we are on Team O, our RBs coach (who is the DC) runs the scout D. So I will run the protection and coach up the RBs if needed. If there's something I can help when it comes to a run game coaching point, I will make it to them too.We also have blocking installs early in the week that I run when the WRs are doing individual blocking and the QBs are doing drills with the OC/QB coach. The passing game? I don't touch at all. I don't see it as stepping on toes, it's just the nature of a small staff. I didn't even think about it but this is probably part of why I end up talking to our RB's fairly often - our RB coach runs the scout D a lot of the time. I think it's also important to know you're coaching the right things too. I wouldn't ever say something to a RB I wasn't 100% confident in, if I have a question about it I bring it up with the RB coach after practice. Yea I won’t ever coach technique with them, other than their blocking, but I will coach assignments.
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