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Post by coachvann on Feb 11, 2018 7:43:11 GMT -6
I can't believe it's already here... My son has already started getting in the weight room, he's on the board for the MS team with his strength numbers. And it is starting to fly by!
I'm the head coach and I've always coach QBs. I've had HC tell me step away from his position and let someone else do it. And I've had HC tell me...don't miss out on those special opportunities with your son. I talked with a coach on my staff about taking qb and he is a coaches kids and he asked me why the change and he tells me he wished his dad coached him
I've asked my son (in front of my wife) and he said he wants me to but my wife said no way. Or community is tough and she already hears allot of crap in the stands.
I'm torn and just seeking advice from coaches who have a great relationship with their son on whether to coach him out not.
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Post by blb on Feb 11, 2018 7:53:41 GMT -6
Your post is not clear - are you the MS head coach, or HS HC?
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Post by coachjm on Feb 11, 2018 7:59:45 GMT -6
I have had the same thoughts, I have a 11 and 14 year old. My oldest runs cross country but my youngest wants to be a QB. I have two perspectives....
I transferred in college to the D3 school that my father was the long time AD/OC at the whispers were there always, however, I do remember him switching responsibilities in an effort to help the team and culture, he brought in a former QB to run the offense and he coached running backs (I was a center) I know he had conversation of going to the defensive side of the ball. We never talked on the field and after a year people would comment that they couldn't tell if we liked each other or not. With that stated I was around the field house endlessly we would get a meal after games and on some random nights and we got an extra 4 years of bonding.
With my son if he continues with the sport it will be the same thing, I'll do everything to not coach his position (of course still playing catch with him and working with him at home as any father would) and if I think it is an issue at all I'll step away for a few years or coach at another level so I can watch him and cheer him on rather then coach him.
I want him to get mentored and instructed by other men I respect I think it gives a different impact then coming from his father. Also, I want him to see me as his father as his support and encouragement regardless of his performance. I don't want him to see me as his critic I am that enough with normal life stuff (clean your room, take out the trash, brush your teeth, ect. )
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2018 8:23:57 GMT -6
I can't believe it's already here... My son has already started getting in the weight room, he's on the board for the MS team with his strength numbers. And it is starting to fly by! I'm the head coach and I've always coach QBs. I've had HC tell me step away from his position and let someone else do it. And I've had HC tell me...don't miss out on those special opportunities with your son. I talked with a coach on my staff about taking qb and he is a coaches kids and he asked me why the change and he tells me he wished his dad coached him I've asked my son (in front of my wife) and he said he wants me to but my wife said no way. Or community is tough and she already hears allot of crap in the stands. I'm torn and just seeking advice from coaches who have a great relationship with their son on whether to coach him out not. I have never had such an opportunity, but from an outsider's perspective keep this in mind : Almost every if not every single coach who coached or is coaching his son thinks/thought "I am doing it the right way," but everyone else involved would probably have mixed opinions on the accuracy of that statement. Are you the head coach? If so, then I don't think position coach matters--the claims of favoritism will always be there regardless. It is just a tough situation, I mean would a 1st team All Sec, Offensive player of the year, Manning Award finalist, 25-1 as a starter "Jalen Saban" have been replaced at half time of the College Football Playoff game? Would a Superbowl Hero, 98% of snaps starter Malcom Belichick have been told he was benched right before kick off of the Superbowl?
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Post by coachvann on Feb 11, 2018 9:38:50 GMT -6
Your post is not clear - are you the MS head coach, or HS HC? I'm the HS head coach...but the MS is at the HS and MS is totally integrated in our program.
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Post by coopdog02 on Feb 11, 2018 10:33:34 GMT -6
This is a very interesting question that I have started to contemplate myself. I am the HS HC for our football program but have also been coaching Jr. High basketball in an effort to gain relationships with kids and get them involved in our football program. I have 2 boys, ages 9 and 13. I currently coach the 13 year old (8th grade basketball) and really enjoy the time with him and that particular group of kids. I have been asked to continue helping as they move up into HS but am torn for some of the same reasons that others have stated. I have noticed many times that he takes my coaching as "Dad telling me what to do/don't do" instead of "Coach instructing me on how to get better". I feel that being coached and mentored by other adults is a key part of growing up and becoming a better player and person.
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Post by Defcord on Feb 11, 2018 10:50:24 GMT -6
My son is only nine so I have some time before I potentially have to coach my own son.
I have generally seen two types of coaches in cases where they directly coach their own son.
First is the guy that definitely plays favorites. Their sons get first access to equipment, excused for little things, given benefit of the doubt in position battles, etc. These guys are despicable and their kids suffer socially because their dad’s ego.
The second is the guy that over compensates to eliminate bias. Their kid is last in line for equipment, they get excessive consequences, and they lose out on position battles. These coaches are unfair to their own kids to avoid critism and the kid and the team can suffer from it.
I am sure there are coaches who successfully navigate the relationship, I just haven’t been part of them.
I think if a coach can’t avoid favoring or over setting expectations for his own kid then he should find a way to step aside. However, if your program has established expectations and you feel you can hold your son equally accountable to them then I think it could be a special opportunity.
If I were in your situation, I would give it a go. In order to keep things as fair as possible I would ask an assistant, one who isn’t a yes man and isn’t afraid to be awkwardly or uncomfortably honest with me, to monitor the interaction and regularly discuss his perspective as a check and balance.
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Post by carookie on Feb 11, 2018 11:27:52 GMT -6
I'm interested in this as well. My son is a couple years away but he is already swinging by for some strength and speed training. Luckily, I am at a small Christian school (and should hope to be there soon) that has a family atmosphere and I don't think there would be much of a fuss with my son being a starter. Also he projects to be a DE/OL, and with his size I doubt there will be much complaint.
Having been through it with other HCs though, one thing that I won't enforce is having my son call me "Coach ----", if he wants to call me 'Dad' I will be okay with it; and I dont think it will cause a fuss.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 11, 2018 12:42:34 GMT -6
I think it depends on how you and your son interact. Both my father and I had a hard time separating the game from the relationship. So, when I got to an age where he could coach me, neither of us wanted any part of it. I got to be coached by great men and he got to be my biggest fan.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 11, 2018 13:15:19 GMT -6
I have seen this go terribly wrong. Wasn't so much between the dad and his kids. It was the dad and the other players. Especially when dad gave preferential treatment to his kids and ripped the other kids for doing the same thing as his own kids.
The second time I saw this wasn't bad.
Just know that every decision made, in the eyes of everyone else, will be "because he's the HC's kid". No matter how good or bad your kid is.
I will say...if your kid is a freaking stud...that alleviates a lot of the nonsense.
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2018 13:24:56 GMT -6
From what I've seen, if the coach is a good coach and a fair guy these situations work out. If he's a slappy or a dick they don't. Of course there will be some who see favoritism where there is none but those people will find something to bitch about no matter what you do.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2018 13:38:18 GMT -6
If you have someone else on staff who you trust to coach his position (as you of course oversee everything as the HC) then i think it helps
Not saying you would display favoritism or anything, more so to take away that argument from outsiders to come in and bash the situation
some guys handle the situation well and it all works out, some dont
i dont have ay kids but i did coach my younger brother... i was probably TOO hard on him and ended up driving him away from playing football all together
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Post by adawg2302 on Feb 11, 2018 15:37:50 GMT -6
I can't believe it's already here... My son has already started getting in the weight room, he's on the board for the MS team with his strength numbers. And it is starting to fly by! I'm the head coach and I've always coach QBs. I've had HC tell me step away from his position and let someone else do it. And I've had HC tell me...don't miss out on those special opportunities with your son. I talked with a coach on my staff about taking qb and he is a coaches kids and he asked me why the change and he tells me he wished his dad coached him I've asked my son (in front of my wife) and he said he wants me to but my wife said no way. Or community is tough and she already hears allot of crap in the stands. I'm torn and just seeking advice from coaches who have a great relationship with their son on whether to coach him out not. I would say coach what you have always coached. If you coach QB's and your son is a QB, great. If you coach OL and your son is a QB, great. You wouldn't change what you coach for another player, so why do it for this player (your son)? I have coached with 2 guys who had players on the team (different seasons, never together). Both were good / great coaches. They were hired to coach LB's. Their sons happened to not play LB. So...they coached LB's. During 7-on-7, team, special teams, etc...they coached...LB's. They did what they were hired to do, did it well, and didn't communicate with their sons any more/less during practice than they did with any other player that did not play LB. I would do what you were hired to do...and do it well, regardless of what position your son may or may not play.
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Post by carookie on Feb 11, 2018 15:55:25 GMT -6
I have seen this go terribly wrong. Wasn't so much between the dad and his kids. It was the dad and the other players. Especially when dad gave preferential treatment to his kids and ripped the other kids for doing the same thing as his own kids. The second time I saw this wasn't bad. Just know that every decision made, in the eyes of everyone else, will be "because he's the HC's kid". No matter how good or bad your kid is. I will say...if your kid is a freaking stud...that alleviates a lot of the nonsense. Even then it can be an issue. I played HS ball alongside my HC's son- he was the 3rd string QB as a frosh, then split time as a Soph as well as getting PT at WR (becoming the full time guy as a JR). Had teammates bitch about nepotism, as well as heard it from the crowd. Thing was dude was clearly the best for the job and a great athlete (ended up getting a full ride at an FBS). Few years back I was coaching at a small private school where the HC's son was by far the best athlete in our league or in any game we played. These were small schools that didnt go out and recruit (aprox 200-400 kids) and he is a starting DB on a p5 bowl team as a sophomore- just to establish how much more talented he was. Well by his Jr. year we don't have a true QB on the roster so we line him up as a wildcat for 1/3 of the snaps and just out athlete the other guys (and put up huge numbers). But sure enough here come parents crying out "daddy ball" and trying to start fist fights because there sons, none of which are near his talent level, aren't getting their touches. Your kid could be Aaron Rodgers and it wouldnt matter in some communities with some people
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2018 16:17:52 GMT -6
I will say...if your kid is a freaking stud...that alleviates a lot of the nonsense. The problem...is that perception of a studliness is objective. We have had several threads in the recruiting where people posted a video asking "why isn't this kid getting recruited" and neutral parties are pretty straightforward in their downgrading of the players ability. I think a coach who overestimates his son's abilities is definitely a potential disaster.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 11, 2018 17:34:10 GMT -6
I will say...if your kid is a freaking stud...that alleviates a lot of the nonsense. The problem...is that perception of a studliness is objective. We have had several threads in the recruiting where people posted a video asking "why isn't this kid getting recruited" and neutral parties are pretty straightforward in their downgrading of the players ability. I think a coach who overestimates his son's abilities is definitely a potential disaster. You meant subjective. Not trying to be grammar police.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2018 17:36:03 GMT -6
The problem...is that perception of a studliness is objective. We have had several threads in the recruiting where people posted a video asking "why isn't this kid getting recruited" and neutral parties are pretty straightforward in their downgrading of the players ability. I think a coach who overestimates his son's abilities is definitely a potential disaster. You meant subjective. Not trying to be grammar police. Yes.. Thank you for the correction. Typing faster than thinking! Should have had the word "not" in there.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 11, 2018 18:04:14 GMT -6
we are going through it now...The HC foresaw this coming so he never coached the qb's. Yes there will always be whispers..someone in our community actually had nasty signs made up and planted them on the side of the road...The coach and son have a great relationship and our coach is a nice guy..we lucked out (not sure its lucky) but the kid is a 2020 and already had a couple of D1 offers which should shut up a bunch of people..ps he's got another in 8th grade
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Post by realdawg on Feb 11, 2018 18:27:08 GMT -6
Must be nice to be set up at Qb like that for the next 5 years!
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 11, 2018 22:18:20 GMT -6
I'm not saying perception at all. I'm saying...your kid is better. He's been better when other people have coached him. Better at other sports than the one you're coaching. I'm saying...significantly better. To the point everyone who has watched sports before knows he's better. No question about it.
If people still want to bitch about that fact then they are just looking for an excuse.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 11, 2018 22:21:40 GMT -6
I'm not saying perception at all. I'm saying...your kid is better. He's been better when other people have coached him. Better at other sports than the one you're coaching. I'm saying...significantly better. To the point everyone who has watched sports before knows he's better. No question about it. If people still want to bitch about that fact then they are just looking for an excuse. I understood what you were saying. My point is that (and I have seen /read it here on this board ) that there is no guarantee that the coach thinks his kid is significantly better, and he thinks that everyone else knows his kid is better...
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 12, 2018 1:28:14 GMT -6
I can only speak From my experience. DONT DO IT!!!!
Either watch your kid or coach against him. Don’t coach him. I know I'm in a very small minority here but I am currently coaching against my son and our relationship is great! He knows I love him. I know he needs me. The last thing either of us need is me getting on him at home for dropping a pass. Or me making sure he’s on Hudl instead of texting his girlfriend. It allows me to be a dad, not Coach Dad.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Feb 12, 2018 4:29:33 GMT -6
I don't have kids, and have never been directly involved with coaches who have had their own on the team.
But, when I was in high school, the basketball coach had his son on the team. Kid was really really good. Parents still got angry about the coach playing his son over another kid.
Kid graduated, and ended up playing all 4 years somewhere, even got into the NCAA Tourney a year or two.
Even if they're clearly the best you have, some people will still talk.
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Post by coachvann on Feb 12, 2018 4:58:16 GMT -6
I can only speak From my experience. DONT DO IT!!!! Either watch your kid or coach against him. Don’t coach him. I know I'm in a very small minority here but I am currently coaching against my son and our relationship is great! He knows I love him. I know he needs me. The last thing either of us need is me getting on him at home for dropping a pass. Or me making sure he’s on Hudl instead of texting his girlfriend. It allows me to be a dad, not Coach Dad. Has he ever asked why you haven't coaches him? With him being at a different program all together how did/does he enjoy that?
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Post by 19delta on Feb 12, 2018 7:21:36 GMT -6
I can't believe it's already here... My son has already started getting in the weight room, he's on the board for the MS team with his strength numbers. And it is starting to fly by! I'm the head coach and I've always coach QBs. I've had HC tell me step away from his position and let someone else do it. And I've had HC tell me...don't miss out on those special opportunities with your son. I talked with a coach on my staff about taking qb and he is a coaches kids and he asked me why the change and he tells me he wished his dad coached him I've asked my son (in front of my wife) and he said he wants me to but my wife said no way. Or community is tough and she already hears allot of crap in the stands. I'm torn and just seeking advice from coaches who have a great relationship with their son on whether to coach him out not. I have never had such an opportunity, but from an outsider's perspective keep this in mind : Almost every if not every single coach who coached or is coaching his son thinks/thought "I am doing it the right way," but everyone else involved would probably have mixed opinions on the accuracy of that statement. Are you the head coach? If so, then I don't think position coach matters--the claims of favoritism will always be there regardless. It is just a tough situation, I mean would a 1st team All Sec, Offensive player of the year, Manning Award finalist, 25-1 as a starter "Jalen Saban" have been replaced at half time of the College Football Playoff game? Would a Superbowl Hero, 98% of snaps starter Malcom Belichick have been told he was benched right before kick off of the Superbowl? These are all good points. If someone is going to coach their own kid, they had better make sure that their kid is the best player on the team or, short of that, the hardest working kid on the team. There can be no question that the kid has earned whatever he gets. About 15 years ago, I worked for a guy who coached his own kid. It went bad. He wasn't really good and didn't work very hard. Was the only freshman on the team who got to attend the varsity dinner on Thursday. Got to dress for the varsity game and often got in before older guys. During the playoffs, his dad (again, HFC) designed a defense with his kid at MLB. His kid wasn't even a defensive starter on the frosh-soph team. He started at center and really wasn't that good. Not a bad kid, but just never put in any work because he didn't have to. His dad was going to make sure that he would play. It went on like that for three years. After his son's junior year, his dad actually put him up for all-Conference at center. From what I have heard, the other coaches basically laughed at him. His dad resigned after that season (would have been fired if he didn't) and his son didn't even play football his senior year. He knew that he wouldn't get on the field under the new HFC. That is obviously an extreme example. But I do think that if you are going to coach your own kid, you HAVE to hold him more accountable and to a higher standard than everyone else. If you just treat him the way you treat the other kids, you are going to be accused of showing favoritism (even though you aren't).
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Post by Defcord on Feb 12, 2018 8:22:38 GMT -6
I can only speak From my experience. DONT DO IT!!!! Either watch your kid or coach against him. Don’t coach him. I know I'm in a very small minority here but I am currently coaching against my son and our relationship is great! He knows I love him. I know he needs me. The last thing either of us need is me getting on him at home for dropping a pass. Or me making sure he’s on Hudl instead of texting his girlfriend. It allows me to be a dad, not Coach Dad. As dad, do you ever feel the need to get on him (and resist) for dropping a pass or texting his girlfriend instead of being on Hudl. I am so far from having to deal with this that I can't put myself in your place. For me though, if my son comes home and grabs an Xbox controller before he grabs a book and reads or does his homework then I get on him and make sure he takes care of business before he entertains himself. I think I would be the same way with hudl and a girlfriend. Even if I wasn't coaching him, I would want him to work towards his goals before entering his social world. I am interested in your response because I definitely don't want to be the dad that is overbearing, especially with sports. But I also want my son to take school serious, including sports if he chooses to play.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 12, 2018 8:51:45 GMT -6
Must be nice to be set up at Qb like that for the next 5 years! LOL but it will be SIX years as the 8th grader plans on repeating
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 12, 2018 9:10:18 GMT -6
I can only speak From my experience. DONT DO IT!!!! Either watch your kid or coach against him. Don’t coach him. I know I'm in a very small minority here but I am currently coaching against my son and our relationship is great! He knows I love him. I know he needs me. The last thing either of us need is me getting on him at home for dropping a pass. Or me making sure he’s on Hudl instead of texting his girlfriend. It allows me to be a dad, not Coach Dad. Has he ever asked why you haven't coaches him? With him being at a different program all together how did/does he enjoy that? This is something we talked about before he entered high school and we had a long discussion about it. I coached him for 2 years in little league baseball and I had a tough time deciphering between the 2 roles. He had a tough time deciphering to the 2 roles as well. He is fine with it. My wife has the is the one who gets a little bothered by it especially the week our teams play against each other. The negative is that I don’t get to see all of his games live. Now that he is a varsity players I got to watch 4 of his games last season because they had a few Thursday and Saturday games. I watched all of his freshmen and JV games. Sometimes he’ll ask me how I think he’s doing and I’ll just tell him I think he’s giving a great effort. I don’t go into detail with him about his route running or back pedaling or anything like that (he’s a receiver and dB). Sometimes he’ll complain to me about his coach, who is a really good guy, just like any other kid would complain about me at home. But I hear him out and then let him know that his coach is the boss on the field and that he better listen to him and encourage his teammates to do the same.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 12, 2018 9:19:43 GMT -6
I can only speak From my experience. DONT DO IT!!!! Either watch your kid or coach against him. Don’t coach him. I know I'm in a very small minority here but I am currently coaching against my son and our relationship is great! He knows I love him. I know he needs me. The last thing either of us need is me getting on him at home for dropping a pass. Or me making sure he’s on Hudl instead of texting his girlfriend. It allows me to be a dad, not Coach Dad. As dad, do you ever feel the need to get on him (and resist) for dropping a pass or texting his girlfriend instead of being on Hudl. I am so far from having to deal with this that I can't put myself in your place. For me though, if my son comes home and grabs an Xbox controller before he grabs a book and reads or does his homework then I get on him and make sure he takes care of business before he entertains himself. I think I would be the same way with hudl and a girlfriend. Even if I wasn't coaching him, I would want him to work towards his goals before entering his social world. I am interested in your response because I definitely don't want to be the dad that is overbearing, especially with sports. But I also want my son to take school serious, including sports if he chooses to play. Not sure if I’m answering your question correctly but I have really lucked out. My son has a GREAT mother and as a result he is toward the top of his class academically, has never been home late, and has never been in trouble at school. I try not to look at those things with rose colored glasses but it’s true. Am I saying he’s never done anything without my knowledge? Of course not. For all I know he could be Eddie Haskell and do all sorts of stuff behind our backs although I doubt it. I’ve never had to resist the urge to get on him about Hudl. Every once in a while we get on him about his homework but that’s pretty rare since he has a 3.8 GPA. Let’s just say that it’s not hurting him that I’m not coaching him.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 12, 2018 10:59:05 GMT -6
Like others have said if you have someone that can coach the position then give that up. I wouldn’t consider the crowd/community whenever you make the decision. Make it based on how you think it will impact your relationship.
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