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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 9, 2018 14:17:32 GMT -6
What is either the most successful yet unconventional (or most unconventional yet successful) thing you or an opponent you've seen has done, but is still part of the system. So not thinking about one-time trick plays
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Could be offense, defense, special teams, anything from formations, motions, shifts, signals, the way they call, their huddle/modified huddle, alignments, coverages, blitzes, returns, etc.
Give you an example. Most unconventional thing an opponent of ours did this year offensively is run what I guess you'd call something like wide unbalanced double stack quads.
X....Y.............................................T..G..C..G..T
Z....H
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It was kinda cool, so we modified the idea and made the principle work with what we do.
Our most unconventional thing (I think) is not calling left/right for formations. We are a spread team with a lot of zone read/packaged plays, and mostly 3x1. We use rules and the play call to tell kids where to go. We also aligned 5x0 sometimes.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 9, 2018 14:19:12 GMT -6
Run the wing t!!!!! We are the only under center wing t team in our entire league.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 9, 2018 14:22:18 GMT -6
Run the wing t!!!!! We are the only under center wing t team in our entire league. You beat me to it. We run I backs and we are the only team in the district who does so. |
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Post by coachthomason on Jan 9, 2018 14:26:35 GMT -6
Run the wing t!!!!! We are the only under center wing t team in our entire league. You beat me to it. We run I backs and we are the only team in the district who does so. Both of you beat me! We will be staying UC next year. Zero Shotgun for the foreseeable future! Only team in our league too!! |
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Post by coachcb on Jan 9, 2018 15:28:31 GMT -6
If I'm calling plays next year, we'll be one of two Wing-T teams in our entire classification (not just our division). The other team runs a pretty bastardized version of it and they don't do it well. So, we'll certainly be the most "unconventional" team in our classification, just by running the traditional Delaware Wing-T. But, we'd basically be a contrarian team if we ran anything other than variations of "the spread".
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Post by coachfloyd on Jan 9, 2018 15:37:43 GMT -6
We had a team kick field goals instead of punt. They kicked one with the tee on the goal line.
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Post by chi5hi on Jan 9, 2018 17:46:16 GMT -6
We align our Wide and Spread receivers with the outside foot forward.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 9, 2018 17:47:17 GMT -6
My favorite formation incorporates something that used to be common but is now extremely rare: having the QB face the sideline with hands under center. On top of that, a regular part of our series offense was this play:  The pulling G who would otherwise be blocking receives a backwards handoff from the QB. This produced several TDs, but half of them were called back because the officials incorrectly applied the rule on interior linemen receiving forward handoffs to this backwards handoff. The G just bucket steps, doesn't have to turn to face his end line as he would if he were getting a forward handoff. Besides going with the power pulls, the above play also sets up the fake guard around, where the QB fakes the handoff, tucks the ball under his upfield arm, and throws his downfield shoulder a little toward the "hip pocket" pursuer of the pulling G (who he'd usually be blocking with that shoulder), then fills with a run thru that gap. That's for if the defense starts doing that. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 9, 2018 17:51:40 GMT -6
We had a team kick field goals instead of punt. They kicked one with the tee on the goal line. Why? Did they expect their opponents to treat a place kick as poison? Or did they just have a better place kicker than a punter? |
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Post by **** on Jan 9, 2018 18:33:39 GMT -6
My favorite formation incorporates something that used to be common but is now extremely rare: having the QB face the sideline with hands under center. On top of that, a regular part of our series offense was this play: The pulling G who would otherwise be blocking receives a backwards handoff from the QB. This produced several TDs, but half of them were called back because the officials incorrectly applied the rule on interior linemen receiving forward handoffs to this backwards handoff. The G just bucket steps, doesn't have to turn to face his end line as he would if he were getting a forward handoff. Besides going with the power pulls, the above play also sets up the fake guard around, where the QB fakes the handoff, tucks the ball under his upfield arm, and throws his downfield shoulder a little toward the "hip pocket" pursuer of the pulling G (who he'd usually be blocking with that shoulder), then fills with a run thru that gap. That's for if the defense starts doing that. I can't believe anybody still runs the Sidesaddle T. I haven't seen that since Moses was in short pants. |
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Post by 60zgo on Jan 9, 2018 20:39:51 GMT -6
We run the Single Wing.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 9, 2018 23:50:32 GMT -6
We average a fake punt or PAT/FG a game. We have a bunch and they’re installed during the summer. We run a different one every week.
Our linemen snap down on PAT and FG and even though we do this every time we still get teams to jump all the time.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 10, 2018 7:40:17 GMT -6
Many years ago we lined up like this in the title game with our 33 Stack
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.......X...................................OT..OG..C..OG..OT..TE
............................................DE........N..............DE
........................$..................LB.........M.........LB
.......CB..........................................................................................CB
..............................FS...........................................WS
Needless to say, we were pretty good up front that year; especially the 3 down.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 10, 2018 8:00:06 GMT -6
A couple of years later we did this in the title game to 2x2
.........................................R..Q
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..X.............................OT..OG..C..OG..OT.................................Z
.................................DE........N........DE
......................LB...................M....................LB
..C........................................................................................C
.............S..............................FS........................S
and this to 3x1
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..X.............................OT..OG..C..OG..OT..................................Z
.................................DE........N........DE
......................LB..................................M.....................LB
..C..........................................................................................C
........................S..............................FS........................S
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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 10, 2018 8:44:42 GMT -6
Holy smokes coach. Four guys for six gaps? How'd your assignments work on that one? OLBs have to come up and contain if they read run?
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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 10, 2018 8:45:39 GMT -6
We average a fake punt or PAT/FG a game. We have a bunch and they’re installed during the summer. We run a different one every week. Our linemen snap down on PAT and FG and even though we do this every time we still get teams to jump all the time. Nice! What's your install time look like? What's the success rate? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 10, 2018 9:34:44 GMT -6
Holy smokes coach. Four guys for six gaps? How'd your assignments work on that one? OLBs have to come up and contain if they read run? In the 2nd one (4-1 box) the plan was to have the DEs handle B Gap (4i) and the NG/MLB handle both A Gaps. They didn't run the ball much out of their 1 RB sets, just a little IS Zone, so we were going to spill everything to the outside. Plus the FS was there if they did crease us inside. In their 10 personnel, 3x1/2x2 they were something like 87+% pass and had a WR that caught 100+ for over 2000 yds and 25 TDs. We were worried that we couldn't/wouldn't have much of a pass rush with those DEs sitting in B Gap, but once we realized they weren't going to take advantage and run the ball and pass anyway, we cut the DEs loose and told the NG/MLB to plug the middle. We had played them earlier in the year and got the brakes beat off of us by them. I had done a lot of scouting and felt like I had them down to a tee. They were built to gain the lead by passing and then protected that lead by running the ball out of 20 personnel 2x1. |
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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 10, 2018 9:58:56 GMT -6
Holy smokes coach. Four guys for six gaps? How'd your assignments work on that one? OLBs have to come up and contain if they read run? In the 2nd one (4-1 box) the plan was to have the DEs handle B Gap (4i) and the NG/MLB handle both A Gaps. They didn't run the ball much out of their 1 RB sets, just a little IS Zone, so we were going to spill everything to the outside. Plus the FS was there if they did crease us inside. In their 10 personnel, 3x1/2x2 they were something like 87+% pass and had a WR that caught 100+ for over 2000 yds and 25 TDs. We were worried that we couldn't/wouldn't have much of a pass rush with those DEs sitting in B Gap, but once we realized they weren't going to take advantage and run the ball and pass anyway, we cut the DEs loose and told the NG/MLB to plug the middle. We had played them earlier in the year and got the brakes beat off of us by them. I had done a lot of scouting and felt like I had them down to a tee. They were built to gain the lead by passing and then protected that lead by running the ball out of 20 personnel 2x1. That's awesome. How'd it end up working out? |
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Jan 10, 2018 9:59:30 GMT -6
As a high school player 20+ years ago, we played a team for our section championship that ran the UC veer out of a variety of balanced & unbalanced formations. They would break the huddle in two waves: C & any detached receivers would get set first & then the remaining offensive personnel would rush to their formational spots. They would typically snap the ball quickly before the defense had time to adjust. They smoked us because we had not seen anything like it.
As a coach, we played a team about ten years ago that would line up in a punt formation with their QB under center. If it was a punt, he would flip the ball back in a perfect underhand spiral to the punter about 10 yards deep. They ran their base offense (power & option) from their "punt" formation in many 4th & manageable situations. We never felt comfortable setting up in a punt return due to their ability to run their offense.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jan 10, 2018 10:03:16 GMT -6
We average a fake punt or PAT/FG a game. We have a bunch and they’re installed during the summer. We run a different one every week. Our linemen snap down on PAT and FG and even though we do this every time we still get teams to jump all the time. Nice! What's your install time look like? What's the success rate? We put them in over 5 weeks (3 practices a week), putting in about 2 a week. We dedicate about 4-5 segments of practice a day to them (16-20 minutes). And then of course we practice them more during camp and game week. Success rate for fake PAT/FG is probably 80-90% and fake punts maybe 50-60% |
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 10, 2018 10:50:41 GMT -6
You beat me to it. We run I backs and we are the only team in the district who does so. Both of you beat me! We will be staying UC next year. Zero Shotgun for the foreseeable future! Only team in our league too!! The three of you beat me to it!! Wing-T Island in a sea of visors and RPOs |
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Post by coachdmyers on Jan 10, 2018 12:01:23 GMT -6
Is there anything unconventional you Wing-T guys do out of it? It's not really that unconventional everywhere I've been. One year three of the nine teams we played ran Wing-T.
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 10, 2018 12:51:25 GMT -6
In the 2nd one (4-1 box) the plan was to have the DEs handle B Gap (4i) and the NG/MLB handle both A Gaps. They didn't run the ball much out of their 1 RB sets, just a little IS Zone, so we were going to spill everything to the outside. Plus the FS was there if they did crease us inside. In their 10 personnel, 3x1/2x2 they were something like 87+% pass and had a WR that caught 100+ for over 2000 yds and 25 TDs. We were worried that we couldn't/wouldn't have much of a pass rush with those DEs sitting in B Gap, but once we realized they weren't going to take advantage and run the ball and pass anyway, we cut the DEs loose and told the NG/MLB to plug the middle. We had played them earlier in the year and got the brakes beat off of us by them. I had done a lot of scouting and felt like I had them down to a tee. They were built to gain the lead by passing and then protected that lead by running the ball out of 20 personnel 2x1. That's awesome. How'd it end up working out? We won the game. The stud WR caught a bunch of balls and a TD to go over 2000 yards for the year. It has been a while but they out passed us 350+ to 130, we out rushed them like 100 to 25. The big difference was we forced 4 turnovers and committed 0. 1 was a pick 6 based a certain alignment tendency we repped hard all week they showed. The other was a strip and score that was off another huge tendency they showed -- the only time the QB went under Center was for the sneak; the other was one of the damedest things/outcomes I've ever seen. We were bobbing and weaving all game long. We had been able to capitalize on several breaks and dodged several bullets to be up by 7 at halftime. They get the ball to start the half and come out in that look we knew they were throwing the Curl to their stud WR and our S$ stepped in front of him and walked into the endzone to put us up by 2 TDs. But as the half goes by they keep chucking the ball and start to find some holes in the coverage. Their WR had a 60 yard TD and big MO was on their side in the 4th. About halfway through the 4th they are driving to tie the game and its 4th and 1 near midfild. QB walked up to the Center and we jumped into a Bear front and even though their OL pushed us off the ball for the 1st down, the QB stuck the ball out over the pile and our MLB grabbed it and took off down the side line. Their whole side line was jumping up and cheering because they thought they had converted and were going to keep marching down the field, but our MLB was 20 yards behind everyone before anybody knew what happened. In fact I don't think anyone knew what had happened at first except us in the booth. We ended up winning 31-24. |
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 10, 2018 13:20:50 GMT -6
When I was in High School an opponent's JV team would run your offense against you in the JV game, since they spent the week being the scout team for varsity.
In the varsity game if they got up on you, and put there JV team in the game they ran your offense against you as well.
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Post by Hitch & Pitch on Jan 10, 2018 13:39:32 GMT -6
One time we played against a school that showed up to the game 10 minutes (maybe less) before kickoff. They were in full uniform, helmets on and everything already to go. Pulled the bus up to field's entrance gate jogged to their sideline, did a couple of jumping jacks while the coin toss was going on. Supposedly they warmed up at a city park before the game, they were a better than us and proceeded to kick our ass.
All through out our pregame warm up, my kids kept asking me "Where's their team coach?", "are they going to show up?".. I got annoyed by my guys keep asking me, I didn't know what to tell them. It did have a psychological effect on us before the game.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Jan 10, 2018 14:00:33 GMT -6
When I was in High School an opponent's JV team would run your offense against you in the JV game, since they spent the week being the scout team for varsity. In the varsity game if they got up on you, and put there JV team in the game they ran your offense against you as well. We used to do this exact thing. |
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Post by coachtua on Jan 10, 2018 14:10:01 GMT -6
We had a team kick field goals instead of punt. They kicked one with the tee on the goal line. Why? Did they expect their opponents to treat a place kick as poison? Or did they just have a better place kicker than a punter? We had a team do this as well. They didn't have a long snapper. They kicked one out of their own end zone, tee about 3 yards deep. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 10, 2018 22:25:54 GMT -6
Why? Did they expect their opponents to treat a place kick as poison? Or did they just have a better place kicker than a punter? We had a team do this as well. They didn't have a long snapper. They kicked one out of their own end zone, tee about 3 yards deep. Wonder why they didn't use the solution coachjohnsonmn described upthread. Snapping to a place kick holder is no picnic. |
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Post by coachfloyd on Jan 11, 2018 3:41:41 GMT -6
We had a team kick field goals instead of punt. They kicked one with the tee on the goal line. Why? Did they expect their opponents to treat a place kick as poison? Or did they just have a better place kicker than a punter? I have no idea. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jan 11, 2018 8:57:32 GMT -6
Why? Did they expect their opponents to treat a place kick as poison? Or did they just have a better place kicker than a punter? I have no idea. There were people here advocating it years ago based on their experience that many opposing coaches didn't know Fed rules -- they'd come on board during the era in which NFL and NCAA had begun to treat "field goal attempts" differently and thought they'd be getting some field position bargain by just letting the ball be kicked and die when it was obvious a field goal was hopeless. How long did they think that situation of ignorance would last? |
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