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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2017 18:44:20 GMT -6
This isn't about rules. It's about times that you've heard coaches say something that showed that they didn't know a basic rule.
Every year I'll see a kid called for grounding (Fed rules) and hear his coach yelling that he's out of the pocket.
The other day, though, I heard one that I couldn't believe. An official told me that before a game a coach asked him what a lineman has to do to report to become an eligible receiver. Dude, the last time that Tackle Eligible was legal I caught one in 1968.
Anybody else hear something equally amazing?
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 23, 2017 19:12:30 GMT -6
5 yard chuck zone.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Oct 23, 2017 19:26:18 GMT -6
A few years ago, a team tried an onside kick.
It went about 5 yards, and as it was dying, one of our recently fast kids swooped it, scooped it up, and went untouched into the end zone.
Their coach was yelling that we couldn't do that, because it didn't go 10 yards. It was right before half, and their coach just kept losing his damn mind over it. On his way in at half, he starts screaming at our staff. About how we teach our kids to cheat and crap like that. It was hilarious.
I still don't really know what he thought the rule was. I'm thinking he thought the 10 yard rule was for both teams, but, no one can be that stupid. Right?
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Post by fantom on Oct 23, 2017 19:36:38 GMT -6
A few years ago, a team tried an onside kick. It went about 5 yards, and as it was dying, one of our recently fast kids swooped it, scooped it up, and went untouched into the end zone. Their coach was yelling that we couldn't do that, because it didn't go 10 yards. It was right before half, and their coach just kept losing his damn mind over it. On his way in at half, he starts screaming at our staff. About how we teach our kids to cheat and crap like that. It was hilarious. I still don't really know what he thought the rule was. I'm thinking he thought the 10 yard rule was for both teams, but, no one can be that stupid. Right? Guess not. |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Oct 23, 2017 19:55:26 GMT -6
An opposing coach this season was mad when we caught a onside kick... He was upset because our player that caught the kick made contact with his receiving player, didn't give him room to make the catch. I guess he was thinking Punt return rules
To tweak one of our formations to match numbers against how defenses were starting to play us(0 coverage with the Safety on the los to our strong side) I brought up that we should bring our single WR over to the Twins side to block him,our OC was excited because of all the bunch patterns all 3 WRs could run. When I told him the inside SE was ineligible he couldn't believe it, kept asking "are you sure?"
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Post by carookie on Oct 23, 2017 20:38:21 GMT -6
Had an opposing coach flip out to me after a game about the hometown officiating we received, and that he had never heard of "sideline infraction".
They got warned (multiple times) and finally got flagged; their coaches were straddling the field boundary during play constantly knocking into the officials-had to be called.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 23, 2017 21:34:34 GMT -6
I have has multiple teams over the years have their lineman get down at the same time the man in motion starts. Worst part is, they get away with it often.
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Post by 19delta on Oct 24, 2017 4:26:47 GMT -6
A few years ago, a team tried an onside kick. It went about 5 yards, and as it was dying, one of our recently fast kids swooped it, scooped it up, and went untouched into the end zone. Their coach was yelling that we couldn't do that, because it didn't go 10 yards. It was right before half, and their coach just kept losing his damn mind over it. On his way in at half, he starts screaming at our staff. About how we teach our kids to cheat and crap like that. It was hilarious. I still don't really know what he thought the rule was. I'm thinking he thought the 10 yard rule was for both teams, but, no one can be that stupid. Right? The old saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt" certainly applies! |
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Post by **** on Oct 24, 2017 5:39:29 GMT -6
This isn't about rules. It's about times that you've heard coaches say something that showed that they didn't know a basic rule. Every year I'll see a kid called for grounding (Fed rules) and hear his coach yelling that he's out of the pocket. The other day, though, I heard one that I couldn't believe. An official told me that before a game a coach asked him what a lineman has to do to report to become an eligible receiver. Dude, the last time that Tackle Eligible was legal I caught one in 1968. Anybody else hear something equally amazing? Those are the top 2 most common ones I hear. |
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Post by bigmoot on Oct 24, 2017 5:56:10 GMT -6
WHy do we have different rule sets for the different levels of football? Are other sports like that to. Never really thought about it
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Post by silkyice on Oct 24, 2017 6:21:10 GMT -6
WHy do we have different rule sets for the different levels of football? Are other sports like that to. Never really thought about it I understand some of the rule differences. But there are some rules that are different for no good reason. I do wish that the NFHS, NCAA, and NFL would strive to make their rules as close as possible. All sports and different sets of rules for different levels. For instance, traveling is much looser in the NBA than it is in NFHS. People compain that players are gettjng away with traveling ( and of course they do sometimes), but it is generally within the NBA rules. You get a two count after you gather in the NBA. In NFHS, the ball has to be shot before your pivot hits the ground. |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Oct 24, 2017 7:27:48 GMT -6
After Friday nights, I help with my son's 11-12 youth team on Saturdays. A kid for the other team twisted his ankle and his coaches were tending to him so refs sent players to sidelines for water. I was talking to one of our players.... ref came over and said coach they have to take a knee and you cant coach during an injury. I looked confused and asked if that was really a rule?  he said yes its a rule in the rule book. I laughed and turned to talk to the kid again. He threatened to flag me if I didn't stop. I hate the whole take a knee crap anyway. that guy is gonna feel the same whether i'm on knee or standing. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 24, 2017 7:59:41 GMT -6
We have talked many times this season about the origins of the take a knee thing. I had never heard of the thing at any level of football until 6-7 years ago.
Now kids want to take a knee for a kid with a {censored} calf cramp.
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 24, 2017 8:27:02 GMT -6
A few years ago, a team tried an onside kick. It went about 5 yards, and as it was dying, one of our recently fast kids swooped it, scooped it up, and went untouched into the end zone. Their coach was yelling that we couldn't do that, because it didn't go 10 yards. It was right before half, and their coach just kept losing his damn mind over it. On his way in at half, he starts screaming at our staff. About how we teach our kids to cheat and crap like that. It was hilarious. I still don't really know what he thought the rule was. I'm thinking he thought the 10 yard rule was for both teams, but, no one can be that stupid. Right? I operate under the assumption that 90% of the human populace is at least this stupid if not more. But I'm kind of a doom and gloom pessimist. |
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Post by crock1615 on Oct 24, 2017 8:37:39 GMT -6
it is not just coaches who don't know the rules, sometimes it is the officials.
A couple of years ago we lined up in an unbalanced formation with both tackles on the left and the TE next to the guard on the right. We got the first down but got flagged for illegal formation. I asked what was illegal about it and the guy said "Coach, you don't have enough linemen" I said "What are you talking about, we have 5 out there?" He then said "Number 4 can't line up at tackle." and stepped off the penalty yards.
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Post by bleefb on Oct 24, 2017 9:14:03 GMT -6
I think coaches and officials just go with what they hear on NFL broadcasts rather than learn and enforce actual high school rules.
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Post by wingtol on Oct 24, 2017 9:34:59 GMT -6
it is not just coaches who don't know the rules, sometimes it is the officials. A couple of years ago we lined up in an unbalanced formation with both tackles on the left and the TE next to the guard on the right. We got the first down but got flagged for illegal formation. I asked what was illegal about it and the guy said "Coach, you don't have enough linemen" I said "What are you talking about, we have 5 out there?" He then said "Number 4 can't line up at tackle." and stepped off the penalty yards. We had a running back get called for holding once. While he was running the ball. |
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Post by WTR on Oct 24, 2017 9:39:34 GMT -6
Last week, we had a player on Kickoff team called for holding while covering the kick.
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Post by theyoungballcoach on Oct 24, 2017 10:25:37 GMT -6
We have talked many times this season about the origins of the take a knee thing. I had never heard of the thing at any level of football until 6-7 years ago. Now kids want to take a knee for a kid with a {censored} calf cramp. I remember taking a knee as far back as when I played youth football, and that was 20 years ago. |
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Post by coachZL on Oct 24, 2017 10:31:00 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials
1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it"
Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football.
2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule.
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Post by fantom on Oct 24, 2017 10:38:38 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials 1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it" Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football. 2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule. Ask about it on the Rules board. |
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Post by **** on Oct 24, 2017 11:32:41 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials 1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it" Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football. 2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule. 1. Ref is wrong. Should have been no penalty. Surprised he knew it's not PI without ball in the air. We never have a ref smart enough to know that. We get fuked on that all the time. 2. Box does go 3 yards past the LOS. They can legally drive a DL 3 yards downfield on every drop back pass. Sounds like the ref knew the rule but wasn't sure of himself. |
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Post by **** on Oct 24, 2017 11:36:38 GMT -6
WHy do we have different rule sets for the different levels of football? Are other sports like that to. Never really thought about it Our kids get called for traveling if they take 1 step without dribbling the ball in HS BB. In the NBA you can take 30 steps before you get called for traveling. I don't know about other sports TBH. |
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Post by pvogel on Oct 24, 2017 11:43:21 GMT -6
I was watching another team. They were returning a punt. Ball is kicked downfield and hits the kicking team's gunner. Return team coach flips a lid on his kid for not running away from the ball fast enough.
I would rather yell at them to go get it at that point. But that is a rule I think most people don't completely get.
- Fair catch free kick
- Grounding is always a disaster. I make a point to coach all of our kids the rule. Mostly because I hate when they yell stupid things.
- PI 5 yd contact zone... wtf
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Post by coachtua on Oct 24, 2017 11:50:27 GMT -6
After Friday nights, I help with my son's 11-12 youth team on Saturdays. A kid for the other team twisted his ankle and his coaches were tending to him so refs sent players to sidelines for water. I was talking to one of our players.... ref came over and said coach they have to take a knee and you cant coach during an injury. I looked confused and asked if that was really a rule? he said yes its a rule in the rule book. I laughed and turned to talk to the kid again. He threatened to flag me if I didn't stop. I hate the whole take a knee crap anyway. that guy is gonna feel the same whether i'm on knee or standing. We got yelled at by our parents in the stands last year (HS Varsity) because an opposing player got hurt and we didn't take a knee. She approached the HC and demanded that we take a knee when i kid gets hurt. We told her this aint peewee football and we don't take a knee. She flipped out. To make it worse they talked to the president of our school and he had to "address the issue" with the coaching staff. |
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Post by coachZL on Oct 24, 2017 11:54:50 GMT -6
I got 2 that were both with the officials 1- Last week we had a defensive holding penalty called on us. I ask the ref on who and what happened. He gives me the number and says "It wasn't actually holding, he rerouted the player on offense and that player fell. It wasn't PI because the ball wasn't in the air but that's illegal. I just didn't know what to actually call it" Apparently you cant reroute WR's any more in high school football. 2- Last year we were playing a team in league that likes to run a lot of RPO. Watching film I notice they have linemen 3+ yards down field when the QB will throw it. I point it out to the refs before the game and show them a couple of the plays. I was then told "Well coach the box actually goes to 3 yards on both sides of the LOS so that's not an ineligible WR down field." I then ask "So on a drop back pass the lineman can drive block a guy as long as he is within 3 yards of the LOS?" Response " No coach, don't be ridiculous." We won that game, and they never threw a flag for ineligible WR down field. I'm just reminded of it because we play them this Friday and they are still doing the same stuff. Maybe I don't understand the rule. 1. Ref is wrong. Should have been no penalty. Surprised he knew it's not PI without ball in the air. We never have a ref smart enough to know that. We get fuked on that all the time. 2. Box does go 3 yards past the LOS. They can legally drive a DL 3 yards downfield on every drop back pass. Sounds like the ref knew the rule but wasn't sure of himself. 2. That's why it was confusing because there were 2 completely different answers and both matter of fact. So why don't more offenses take full advantage of that rule then? It would make LB reads a nightmare to decipher between run and pass. The only time I ever see this is on RPO's. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 24, 2017 12:18:01 GMT -6
We have talked many times this season about the origins of the take a knee thing. I had never heard of the thing at any level of football until 6-7 years ago. Now kids want to take a knee for a kid with a {censored} calf cramp. I remember taking a knee as far back as when I played youth football, and that was 20 years ago. Maybe it’s a regional thing that has just made its way to us? |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Oct 24, 2017 13:55:57 GMT -6
After Friday nights, I help with my son's 11-12 youth team on Saturdays. A kid for the other team twisted his ankle and his coaches were tending to him so refs sent players to sidelines for water. I was talking to one of our players.... ref came over and said coach they have to take a knee and you cant coach during an injury. I looked confused and asked if that was really a rule? he said yes its a rule in the rule book. I laughed and turned to talk to the kid again. He threatened to flag me if I didn't stop. I hate the whole take a knee crap anyway. that guy is gonna feel the same whether i'm on knee or standing. We got yelled at by our parents in the stands last year (HS Varsity) because an opposing player got hurt and we didn't take a knee. She approached the HC and demanded that we take a knee when i kid gets hurt. We told her this aint peewee football and we don't take a knee. She flipped out. To make it worse they talked to the president of our school and he had to "address the issue" with the coaching staff. I recieved a formal letter from a spectator after not taking a knee on Friday night... Lady said she was embarrassed to be from our town bc we didn't take a knee lol |
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Post by silkyice on Oct 24, 2017 14:08:08 GMT -6
After Friday nights, I help with my son's 11-12 youth team on Saturdays. A kid for the other team twisted his ankle and his coaches were tending to him so refs sent players to sidelines for water. I was talking to one of our players.... ref came over and said coach they have to take a knee and you cant coach during an injury. I looked confused and asked if that was really a rule? he said yes its a rule in the rule book. I laughed and turned to talk to the kid again. He threatened to flag me if I didn't stop. I hate the whole take a knee crap anyway. that guy is gonna feel the same whether i'm on knee or standing. We got yelled at by our parents in the stands last year (HS Varsity) because an opposing player got hurt and we didn't take a knee. She approached the HC and demanded that we take a knee when i kid gets hurt. We told her this aint peewee football and we don't take a knee. She flipped out. To make it worse they talked to the president of our school and he had to "address the issue" with the coaching staff. WOW |
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Post by freezeoption on Oct 24, 2017 17:28:10 GMT -6
yes, when we do play action we are aggressive and drive for three steps
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he said yes its a rule in the rule book. I laughed and turned to talk to the kid again. He threatened to flag me if I didn't stop. I hate the whole take a knee crap anyway. that guy is gonna feel the same whether i'm on knee or standing.
