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Post by coachnswords on Oct 2, 2017 7:45:30 GMT -6
This is the first season since 2006 that I have not been coaching football. I decided to take some time away in January. We welcomed our first child in May and I've been able to spend a lot of time with her and my wife, and to just relax and recharge. Has anyone else done this, and did you find yourself not missing things as much as you thought you would? Don't get me wrong, I still love the game, and I miss Friday nights, but it has been incredibly refreshing these past 10 months to not have the added stress in my life. Just curious about other's thoughts.
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Post by huddlehut on Oct 2, 2017 7:58:00 GMT -6
Not the same situation but retired after 35 years of coaching. Bigger football fan than ever now, but have not missed the coaching one bit. Thought I'd miss it but coaching again is the furthest thing from my mind!
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Post by StraightFlexin on Oct 2, 2017 8:13:43 GMT -6
This is my first year off since 2005. Former HC. My wife and I had our first May, 2016 and have another one coming in 10 weeks. Yeah, I know..... I'm busy. But I really miss it a ton. I've done more pencil on paper this off season than in any other. Been to some good games and visited some legendary coaches practices. Miss the game, but am happy with my decision. Hard still being around the kids/players because they are now being slaughtered. I have discovered this time period between 3:00-7:00 that I did not know existed.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Oct 2, 2017 8:49:37 GMT -6
I have a good friends who made that decision this year, said it was one of the best things he's ever done. After hearing that there is part of me that has been wondering about the potential of doing that in the future. The last few seasons have really been draining on me and am wondering if a year away might be a good thing. That said I have no idea with what I'd do with myself. My free-time is usually spent doing something for football.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 2, 2017 9:11:12 GMT -6
Having 2 young girls, both born in August, has really impacted my coaching. I havent taken time off, since there's a little job security tied in, but I really dont expend the time, energy and emotion on football that I used to.
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Post by StraightFlexin on Oct 2, 2017 9:50:00 GMT -6
I have a good friends who made that decision this year, said it was one of the best things he's ever done. After hearing that there is part of me that has been wondering about the potential of doing that in the future. The last few seasons have really been draining on me and am wondering if a year away might be a good thing. That said I have no idea with what I'd do with myself. My free-time is usually spent doing something for football. Its really been crazy with the amount of "free time" I guess. I am the type that always has to be doing something. That being said, my garage has been totally renovated and even has different styles of molding lol. Yeah a little overkill.
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Post by agap on Oct 2, 2017 10:58:55 GMT -6
I'm taking this year off. It's been a lot less stressful. I thought I wouldn't know what to do with all the free time, but you find things to do and it's not an issue at all. I've been to a game every Friday night since the season began and I think about what I would do if I was still coaching. It makes you think whether what you've always done is the best way, which I don't think necessarily happens when you're busy gameplanning and doing whatever else during the season.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 2, 2017 11:25:42 GMT -6
I'm taking this year off. It's been a lot less stressful. I thought I wouldn't know what to do with all the free time, but you find things to do and it's not an issue at all. I've been to a game every Friday night since the season began and I think about what I would do if I was still coaching. It makes you think whether what you've always done is the best way, which I don't think necessarily happens when you're busy gameplanning and doing whatever else during the season. I think back to the season Urban Meyer wasn’t coaching and he was an analyst for ESPN. I’m sure he took notes and thought about a lot of what he’d do when he got back in the drivers seat.
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Post by grouchy71 on Oct 3, 2017 6:00:12 GMT -6
I have a good friends who made that decision this year, said it was one of the best things he's ever done. After hearing that there is part of me that has been wondering about the potential of doing that in the future. The last few seasons have really been draining on me and am wondering if a year away might be a good thing. That said I have no idea with what I'd do with myself. My free-time is usually spent doing something for football. I've been having this gnaw at me a bit as well. Been coaching for 18 years, the last 7 as HC, in the middle of a pretty good run at the school where I teach, but the last few seasons have been draining, like you said. It's actually gotten worse since we won a state title, and it's almost all internal, just me and my head, not external pressures. Another poster in this thread mentioned that he doesn't quite invest as much (at least emotionally) in football since having children, I'm fascinated by this. Takes some guts to say that, for one thing, I admire the honesty. I have a 4 year old son, and I'm wondering what's going to be best for him? I've gone down the rabbit hole again this year, despite telling myself I wouldn't let it get to me as much. We're having another successful season thus far, but now entering crunch time and I feel like it's killing me inside. This can't be healthy. I don't have balance, I'm losing the forest for the trees, etc. etc., I know it, but I'm worried that I won't give our team it's best chance to win unless I'm all in. Isn't that what we ask of our kids??? I've fantasized about taking a year off, going to whatever game I want on Friday nights, relaxing and watching college ball on Saturdays, sleeping in Sundays... But I also like that my son has a dad who's a football coach and he goes to the games and gets treated like a little prince, it's really a cool deal I think. I've seen other coaches who seem to have loosened the grip on the reins a little bit, maybe gained a little more balance, and it looks like they're healthier and happier. The guys I'm thinking of have also gone from coaching state title contenders to middle of the pack type of teams, and I have a hard time not believing that the cost of achieving balance in your life is that you won't be able to get your team to their ultimate ceiling each year. Tl;dr: Waaaaaah. Grouch
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Post by dubber on Oct 3, 2017 6:18:16 GMT -6
At the end of the day, no matter what the level, football in and of itself is a game.
A. Game.
When weighed against famine, war, and the like, why are we obsessing overJohnny still not stemming his slant differently versus press man?
So all the #grind stuff, at its best, is going to win you games (and #grind's correlation to winning is debatable anyway, though that's off subject)
The real value of football, imo, especially at the level we coach, is it's ability to teach confidence, accountability, and discipline to young men.
I have found when I am able to focus on the latter, burn out doesn't happen and family time doesn't suffer.
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Post by grouchy71 on Oct 3, 2017 6:26:38 GMT -6
Well said Dub. I believe in what you say, I just haven't been able to keep my focus there lately.
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Post by dubber on Oct 3, 2017 10:18:17 GMT -6
Well said Dub. I believe in what you say, I just haven't been able to keep my focus there lately. I've been there.....and I have to tell you the same thing I tell myself: focus is a decision.
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 3, 2017 12:38:54 GMT -6
Having 2 young girls, both born in August, has really impacted my coaching. I havent taken time off, since there's a little job security tied in, but I really dont expend the time, energy and emotion on football that I used to. You're cheating your players.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 3, 2017 12:45:55 GMT -6
Having 2 young girls, both born in August, has really impacted my coaching. I havent taken time off, since there's a little job security tied in, but I really dont expend the time, energy and emotion on football that I used to. You're cheating your players. I'm cheating my family
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Post by coachcb on Oct 3, 2017 13:08:53 GMT -6
I took two years off of coaching completely when I was married as I was commuting two+ hours per day, was married to a woman with a chronic illness and had three kiddos at home. Coaching high school football was out of the question given the time constraints and I didn't care for coaching youth.
In the years before my marriage, I coached youth football (in a quality league) or middle school when I needed a break from high school football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 3, 2017 20:05:00 GMT -6
Having 2 young girls, both born in August, has really impacted my coaching. I havent taken time off, since there's a little job security tied in, but I really dont expend the time, energy and emotion on football that I used to. You're cheating your players. I have to take objection to this, and I don't even have kids. rosey65 didn't say he now is slacking, he is saying he no longer puts in the same time, energy and emotion as he used to. Based on your thought process, you coaching football means that you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football. It is pure economics. Time is a scarce resource
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Post by ogre5530 on Oct 4, 2017 5:13:52 GMT -6
This is an interesting topic. Been at it 11 years and I'm contemplating taking a year off as well. I've been at the same place now for 11 years, have two kids at ages 7 and 5. I think about all the time spent in the summer and during the year where I could be picking them up from school, taking them to the park, or whatever the case may be. I agree with a post up above where I feel like I'm cheating my family. The weekend film by myself or as a staff also is a grind and takes time away. Tough to balance it all. I'm thinking a year away might be enough to charge the batteries again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 5:28:09 GMT -6
Hey spend that time with the family, those are years you can never get back , when youre ready to comr back, youre ready
Last season i had to leave the program i was with for the past 5 years. It had to do with my wifes job changing.
I didnt want to go, but i had no choice
I found that in the off season i didnt miss it as much, fully planned on not coaching this year, tried to find something else, thought i did ...
Come mid summer i started to miss it again, all my buddies were getting ready for the season, some were travelling to out of state games, to play big time schools, etc...i found myself watching HUDL, and youtube all the time, reading books ive read already again
I had 4 offers from other schools, 1 offered me the DC spot. But the hours didnt work .
It was that time sitting there in "the void" when i really started to miss it, i was miserable
Out of the blue a guy i know asked if i would be interested in coaching at the school im at now, it worked because the school had early practice times.
Been there since August, absolutely love it
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Post by cwoo54 on Oct 4, 2017 5:57:31 GMT -6
I stepped away from coaching after last season as well. 21 years of coaching. I was putting kids to bed Wednesday night and not seeing them again until Saturday afternoon after film. I love the game. I loved coaching. My family is more important. I still go to the games Friday night. The staff I was on is gone (for good reason, long story.) The new staff is great. Young guys who love on the kids and teach values along with football. I have become a big fan, but don't miss the grind.
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 4, 2017 7:05:12 GMT -6
You're cheating your players. I'm cheating my family That very well may be the case IDK. But if you're putting less time into doing the things with football which you were doing for those players to help make them successful then you are now cheating them and you should get out all together.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 4, 2017 7:10:00 GMT -6
That very well may be the case IDK. But if you're putting less time into doing the things with football which you were doing for those players to help make them successful then you are now cheating them and you should get out all together. Thats asinine
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 4, 2017 7:10:14 GMT -6
You're cheating your players. I have to take objection to this, and I don't even have kids. rosey65 didn't say he now is slacking, he is saying he no longer puts in the same time, energy and emotion as he used to. Based on your thought process, you coaching football means that you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football. It is pure economics. Time is a scarce resource "you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football" - they are the same...... if we go 1-9 or 2-8 I'm looking for a new gig quick fast and in a hurry to put food on my table / keep the roof over my head.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 4, 2017 7:12:40 GMT -6
I have to take objection to this, and I don't even have kids. rosey65 didn't say he now is slacking, he is saying he no longer puts in the same time, energy and emotion as he used to. Based on your thought process, you coaching football means that you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football. It is pure economics. Time is a scarce resource "you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football" - they are the same...... if we go 1-9 or 2-8 I'm looking for a new gig quick fast and in a hurry to put food on my table / keep the roof over my head. Are you saying you quit the program you are with if you have a bad season?
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 4, 2017 7:19:14 GMT -6
"you are cheating whatever your mortgage/rent paying job is by coaching football" - they are the same...... if we go 1-9 or 2-8 I'm looking for a new gig quick fast and in a hurry to put food on my table / keep the roof over my head. Are you saying you quit the program you are with if you have a bad season? No I'm saying we'd get our asses fired if we strung a few of them together and not just from the 5K stipend that's attached to it. From the whole damn thing, the whole job.
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Post by blb on Oct 4, 2017 7:31:56 GMT -6
Balance is important in all facets of life.
Coaching and family is not an either-or proposition, unless perhaps if you are an assistant for a HC who is a "grinder" and demands unnecessary amount of time. Then you have a decision to make.
In the 30+ years I coached after birth of our first I rarely missed things our daughters were involved in. Late sometimes, had to leave early a few times, but was almost always there.
Fatherhood does not require you to give up everything you love or like to do for your children. That's not healthy for either of you.
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 4, 2017 7:32:14 GMT -6
That very well may be the case IDK. But if you're putting less time into doing the things with football which you were doing for those players to help make them successful then you are now cheating them and you should get out all together. Thats asinine Is it though? If you were an accountant and 1 day you walked into your bosses office and said hey boss, "I've decided I'm not going to spend as much time or energy doing accounting or invest as much emotion or care into what we have going on here because......... family" ....... how do you think that's going to go?
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Post by 53 on Oct 4, 2017 7:38:23 GMT -6
I didn't read his comments that way.
We as a profession waste a lot of time on busy work. Mostly so we can say no one is going to our work us and to make it look like we're grinding.
Production and maximizing our time during the week needs to be examined just as much or more than the x's and o's.
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Post by gccwolverine on Oct 4, 2017 7:40:49 GMT -6
I didn't read his comments that way. We as a profession waste a lot of time on busy work. Mostly so we can say no one is going to our work us and to make it look like we're grinding. Production and maximizing our time during the week needs to be examined just as much or more than the x's and o's. That I agree with. But when you say, "I'm not going to put as much effort, time, or care into this as I once was" not, "I'm going to work to streamline my process so I can be more efficient but still having the same amount of effort and care" those are 2 different things.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 4, 2017 7:45:29 GMT -6
Is it though? If you were an accountant and 1 day you walked into your bosses office and said hey boss, "I've decided I'm not going to spend as much time or energy doing accounting or invest as much emotion or care into what we have going on here because......... family" ....... how do you think that's going to go? I'm not an accountant. I'm a teacher who also coaches, and now my daily priorities have shifted. Instead of decompressing in the locker room after practice until the last kid leaves and I take 1 or 2 of them home, I hurry home to put my kids to bed. Instead of staying up late watching film, I'm rocking my feverish 2 month old who just got her shots. Instead of getting to school early and socializing in the HC's room as kids check in each morning, I have 1st period planning so I can help get the kids dressed and fed so my wife can get them to school on time so she isn't late for work. And when I get a phone call that the 3yrold projectile-vomited on the back of my wifes head on the way home from school, I go home to help clean the vomit off everyone and everything. Instead of diving in and lifting with the team all summer, I stay off to the side and just direct traffic keeping my 3yrold out of the way. I am definitely fortunate to be in a program that supports and understands families. There are 4 other coaches with kids all under the age of 3. We dont use it as an excuse to get out of work and responsibilities. In fact, it often becomes a teaching tool for our players, most of whom dont have a dad in the picture. They see us doing the things we normally do, and then see us working to also provide for and incorporate our children into our lives. Our players offer encouragement when our children have issues, our players work harder when a coach has to leave for a child emergency, and hopefully our players see how a man is supposed to care for his children. But f**k it, maybe I should just quit. Cuz quitting solves everything.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 4, 2017 8:05:47 GMT -6
That very well may be the case IDK. But if you're putting less time into doing the things with football which you were doing for those players to help make them successful then you are now cheating them and you should get out all together. Thats asinine That is asinine. I had my first back in March (unexpected until about 2 days before... long story, my wife sure didn't look pregnant) so my world has become quite a bit different for this season. Just as Rosey said, I don't spend the extra hours that I used to "just hanging around". I get my stuff done, and when I'm not needed, I go home. I actually feel like I'm a way better coach now, because I have a vision, and I'm focused. I've developed better relationships with a lot of the kids, because I see them differently. I certainly don't put the same hours, or get worked up/bent out of shape about the little things as much. Some guys might consider that losing passion and I'm cheating the kids. I don't see it that way. I get to bring the little dude around to meetings and team functions, and our players love him, and it's a great example for them. I know that I worry less about losses when I can walk off the field and see him smile.. makes life better, makes me happier, makes me a better coach.
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