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Post by blb on Oct 6, 2017 15:03:23 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks?
Believed that when I was 25 and got my first HS HC job.
I got over it.
For your sake, hopefully you will too.
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Post by agap on Oct 6, 2017 15:07:51 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks? You're saying since I'm not coaching this year, I should quit my job as a teacher?
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Post by Defcord on Oct 6, 2017 15:17:47 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks? First, if you aren’t coaching, you can be an effective teacher working within the school day if you are efficient. Second I may not be getting rich but a teaching salary provides a comfortable middle class and summers off. And I make more than my dad who’s put in 35 years hard labor in a steel foundary. I still coach but I can see why guys would get out of coaching but stay in the profession.
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Post by gators41 on Oct 7, 2017 11:02:32 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks?
Believed that when I was 25 and got my first HS HC job.
I got over it.
For your sake, hopefully you will too.
So you were a successful coach for a long time, raised a family, and obviously had other major life experiences that changed your priorities? I totally agree with you on that. Birth of children is more important than a game. But you didnt comment on my point. (Did you ever take a couple of years off in the middle of your career?) This is the point I am trying to make. If you need to take time off and that is OK with you , then you are not a coach, you are a person that sometimes coaches. Does that accountant down the street take time off from being an accountant. Most likely no. Now I understand coaching doesnt pay all of our bills, teaching most likely does. Which confirms my final point. If you can live without coaching, why stay a teacher? Finally, I take offense to your last sentence, hopefully for make sake I will too? What does that mean? If it means dont make football your number one priority in life, I get it and wasnt saying that. If it means its ok to coach a year and then not and then coach 3 years and then take a year off, I disagree with you.
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Post by gators41 on Oct 7, 2017 11:06:38 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks? First, if you aren’t coaching, you can be an effective teacher working within the school day if you are efficient. Second I may not be getting rich but a teaching salary provides a comfortable middle class and summers off. And I make more than my dad who’s put in 35 years hard labor in a steel foundary. I still coach but I can see why guys would get out of coaching but stay in the profession. I am not sure what you mean by your first point. Do you mean if you arent coaching you can dedicate more time to teaching, thus becoming a better and more efficient teacher? That is true but irrelevant to this argument. If you meant something else please clarify. 2nd- You must live in a much better place that me. I am in a big city in FL, the pay is not good enough to support a family, save for college funds and retirement, pay for horrible insurance and live in a decent neighborhood. I know in some parts of the country, (GA for sure) Teachers make a lot more. We dont in FL. I have to do side jobs besides football to live how I want and still coach.
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Post by gators41 on Oct 7, 2017 11:11:51 GMT -6
Long Time Lurker here who loves this site. And if you are a member of this site you love football. If you love football, how can you live without it? If you can live without it for a couple of years....why in the world would you stay in education, make no money and work 70+ hour weeks? You're saying since I'm not coaching this year, I should quit my job as a teacher? If you have the skills, education and motive to do anything else than yes I am. As I previously posted living in my area of FL, with high housing prices yadayadayada doesnt make sense to contiue to be a teacher financially if I didnt love coaching and couldnt live without it. I dont know where you are, but it may be better/easier for you to remain a teacher and support yourself and or a family. Obviously if you felt a calling towards teaching students that would trump the old $ card. Are you just tired of all the BS involved with coaching?
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 7, 2017 12:33:58 GMT -6
You're saying since I'm not coaching this year, I should quit my job as a teacher? If you have the skills, education and motive to do anything else than yes I am. As I previously posted living in my area of FL, with high housing prices yadayadayada doesnt make sense to contiue to be a teacher financially if I didnt love coaching and couldnt live without it. I dont know where you are, but it may be better/easier for you to remain a teacher and support yourself and or a family. Obviously if you felt a calling towards teaching students that would trump the old $ card. Are you just tired of all the BS involved with coaching? The sad part about your posts are they reflect an attitude (probably accurate) that many go into teaching just to coach.
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Post by agap on Oct 7, 2017 17:31:01 GMT -6
You're saying since I'm not coaching this year, I should quit my job as a teacher? If you have the skills, education and motive to do anything else than yes I am. As I previously posted living in my area of FL, with high housing prices yadayadayada doesnt make sense to contiue to be a teacher financially if I didnt love coaching and couldnt live without it. I dont know where you are, but it may be better/easier for you to remain a teacher and support yourself and or a family. Obviously if you felt a calling towards teaching students that would trump the old $ card. Are you just tired of all the BS involved with coaching? It's a long story, but yes.
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Post by gators41 on Oct 7, 2017 19:15:40 GMT -6
If you have the skills, education and motive to do anything else than yes I am. As I previously posted living in my area of FL, with high housing prices yadayadayada doesnt make sense to contiue to be a teacher financially if I didnt love coaching and couldnt live without it. I dont know where you are, but it may be better/easier for you to remain a teacher and support yourself and or a family. Obviously if you felt a calling towards teaching students that would trump the old $ card. Are you just tired of all the BS involved with coaching? The sad part about your posts are they reflect an attitude (probably accurate) that many go into teaching just to coach. 1. You are dead on. And I dont see why that is bad. I would not be a teacher if I wasnt a coach. How is this bad? I care way more about my kids than almost all teachers. I take care of them, check their grades, tutor them, sometimes feed and cloth them. Help them get into college. Stay in touch with them when they are out of the program. Why is this bad? How many teachers do the? Some but not near as many as a coach. So i can proudly say I am a coach who teaches, and still do a damn good job in the classroom. I would tell this to my super intendent , principal whatever. How is this sad?
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Post by gators41 on Oct 7, 2017 19:17:51 GMT -6
If you have the skills, education and motive to do anything else than yes I am. As I previously posted living in my area of FL, with high housing prices yadayadayada doesnt make sense to contiue to be a teacher financially if I didnt love coaching and couldnt live without it. I dont know where you are, but it may be better/easier for you to remain a teacher and support yourself and or a family. Obviously if you felt a calling towards teaching students that would trump the old $ card. Are you just tired of all the BS involved with coaching? It's a long story, but yes. I feel for you then. We care too much, put in too much time and work too hard to feel like that. I just would have a hard time giving it up. I have been frustrated before, and thought maybe I would go down to JR High or something, but still had to be a part of it somehow
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Post by Defcord on Oct 8, 2017 8:35:31 GMT -6
First, if you aren’t coaching, you can be an effective teacher working within the school day if you are efficient. Second I may not be getting rich but a teaching salary provides a comfortable middle class and summers off. And I make more than my dad who’s put in 35 years hard labor in a steel foundary. I still coach but I can see why guys would get out of coaching but stay in the profession. I am not sure what you mean by your first point. Do you mean if you arent coaching you can dedicate more time to teaching, thus becoming a better and more efficient teacher? That is true but irrelevant to this argument. If you meant something else please clarify. 2nd- You must live in a much better place that me. I am in a big city in FL, the pay is not good enough to support a family, save for college funds and retirement, pay for horrible insurance and live in a decent neighborhood. I know in some parts of the country, (GA for sure) Teachers make a lot more. We dont in FL. I have to do side jobs besides football to live how I want and still coach. My first point was that if you aren't coaching than there is no need to be working 70 hours or more a week. I am in my 14th year teaching. I have received "highly effective" evaluations (I understand that the evaluation system in most states are a joke) for the last five years and have never had less than an "effective" evaluation and I haven't brought work home since my second year teaching. The job can be done effectively if you are efficient with your time during the day. I an now in South Carolina, but when I was in Florida I lived on the beach in Cocoa Beach. My wife is also a teacher so we have two incomes so maybe that is the difference between my situation and yours. I loved Florida but I do agree teachers make less there. My teaching/coaching salary was 10k more when I was in Indiana and in SC it's 8-9K more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 8:52:37 GMT -6
Believed that when I was 25 and got my first HS HC job.
I got over it.
For your sake, hopefully you will too.
So you were a successful coach for a long time, raised a family, and obviously had other major life experiences that changed your priorities? I totally agree with you on that. Birth of children is more important than a game. But you didnt comment on my point. (Did you ever take a couple of years off in the middle of your career?) This is the point I am trying to make. If you need to take time off and that is OK with you , then you are not a coach, you are a person that sometimes coaches. Does that accountant down the street take time off from being an accountant. Most likely no. Now I understand coaching doesnt pay all of our bills, teaching most likely does. Which confirms my final point. If you can live without coaching, why stay a teacher? Finally, I take offense to your last sentence, hopefully for make sake I will too? What does that mean? If it means dont make football your number one priority in life, I get it and wasnt saying that. If it means its ok to coach a year and then not and then coach 3 years and then take a year off, I disagree with you. Really? How old are you, anyway? I don't think too many coaches just take a year off here and there for no good reason. Life happens. Kids are born. Family gets sick. Coaches get sick. Situations change. People get burned out on the BS and long hours of coaching. It's a grind. Now, if that accountant down the street wasn't making his living from accounting--if he just really loved accounting but was only getting paid $3k a year or whatever to do it on top of a 9-5 breadwinning job--do you think accountants would take a year off here and there? I do. That's a bad analogy. Coaching, in a lot of ways, is more like making music, writing, art, or doing charity work. We do it because we love it, not for the money. Do people in those fields take time off between projects at times due to changes in their situations? They do that all the time. If you don't like teaching, by all means find another career. They are out there, but for many teachers that would require going back to school and going deeper in debt to pursue something that would pay the same amount or better. When you're a certain age and have a family and a mortgage, that's often not feasible. You go ahead and try telling your principal and superintendent that you're a coach who teaches and doesn't really care much about the classroom. See how supportive they are of you after hearing that.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Oct 8, 2017 11:50:03 GMT -6
This is my first year not being involved in football season since before I was able to play the game. I've been an HC, OC, DC, STC throughout my career. I was in a bad spot at my last stop as HC. I got out. I had the opportunity to coach elsewhere, but decided instead to take an admin job when offered. The real deciding factor though was the fact that my son was born when I became HC. The first two years of his life I felt like I wasn't around enough. Before I had kids I said there is no way those little varmits will keep me from coaching. I was wrong. It takes a little perspective. I get to spend a whole lot more time with my family now and it really has been great for all of us. Being a little more financially stable is just a plus. I have gone to a couple of high school games just for fun. I watch more football on Saturday. The break so far has been great. I am sure I will eventually get back in, at least in some capacity, especially if my son decides to play. I'm completely okay with that.
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Post by Coach Vint on Oct 8, 2017 15:37:26 GMT -6
Typically when I was a head coach I would immerse myself in film over the weekend. As the week went on I would watch our practice films. Once the game landing stiff is done and we’ve figured out the nuts and bolts it’s more about us than them. Where I coach now we don’t film practice. At first it drove me bonkers not having clips from practice. But we have so many coaches, and I just focus on my unit. So we make a lot of correction right there. I have been through the same thing. When I started out coaching our HC was adamant that everything had to be filmed and we were supposed to go through all the practice film and then have things for kids to correct. Now what would happen is I and all the other coaches would watch the practice film and then we never seemed to have time before or after practice to watch it with the kids so it was just frustrating cause we never fixed anything. Anyway I eventually became and OC and now a HC at a smaller school and we just don't have the time nor the help to film practices, so because of constraints we don't film practice, but instead we correct it immediately. I think too often high school coaches want to run a college program and wait to fix mistakes when you watch the practice tape well the reality is YOU ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL COACHING HIGH SCHOOL KIDS, so you don't have the ability to put each position group into their individual rooms and watch every little bit of film and correct, instead you gotta correct on the field. Now I will say that I was reading an educational article that wasn't particularly football related, but it talked about behavior management and it stated that you have to correct behavior in the moment that it happens and not wait until the end of class and pull the kid aside because they have found that kids will change their behavior or modify it if they are challenged in the moment that they demonstrate that behavior. Anyway I think this has some application into football, if you coach in the moment and correct immediately then the problem is fixed immediately and you don't have to try and remember that thing the kid did on practice tape #2 and sometime during the practice. We found a way to film practices everywhere I have been. 20 years ago cameras were expensive and video programs were very, very expensive. Today it is much less expensive. We had kids who filmed for us. They traveled with the team and got cool gear. We filmed our inside run, team, and 7-on-7 on Monday and Tuesday. We had 15 minute position meetings before practice. We weren't trying to run things like a college, we were simply trying to get better. We corrected things on the field, but the film was an awesome teaching tool. It helped coaches and kids. I was in NYC doing this, where we had 3 coaches who were teachers and the rest of our staff had jobs outside of education. We were able to find 15 minutes to put our guys into position groups to watch film. When I had a couple of position coaches who couldn't be there for meetings, I took the skill guys for 8 minutes and the line and TE's for 8 minutes. We found a way to make it work. And I will unequivocally say it was an investment that helped us win more games. I am at a great school district in Texas now, and we have kids that film. We upload the film to hudl and watch it during position meetings before practice. It helps us the same way. Sometimes I have a hurt kid use my phone to film individual drills during practice. With hudl there is no reason not to have film. When we lost our filmers for an after school deal on day I filmed inside run and 1-on-1's on my phone. It helps to watch it the next day to be able to say, "this is what we talked about yesterday." We have all of our coaches in the building which helps, but like I said, we did this where we didn't have easy logistics. The more you coach it, the better you will get. Repetition breads habit, and when I can correct it on the field, then show it in the meeting room and reinforce it, we get better. If we are going to be successful, we must create opportunities to grow. Film is a great opportunity. You don't need long meetings. 10 to 20 minutes is perfect. I pull 4 to 6 practice clips for our position meeting. If I can coach it on the field and during the meeting, we will be better than if I only coach it on the field.
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Post by gators41 on Oct 8, 2017 17:10:24 GMT -6
So you were a successful coach for a long time, raised a family, and obviously had other major life experiences that changed your priorities? I totally agree with you on that. Birth of children is more important than a game. But you didnt comment on my point. (Did you ever take a couple of years off in the middle of your career?) This is the point I am trying to make. If you need to take time off and that is OK with you , then you are not a coach, you are a person that sometimes coaches. Does that accountant down the street take time off from being an accountant. Most likely no. Now I understand coaching doesnt pay all of our bills, teaching most likely does. Which confirms my final point. If you can live without coaching, why stay a teacher? Finally, I take offense to your last sentence, hopefully for make sake I will too? What does that mean? If it means dont make football your number one priority in life, I get it and wasnt saying that. If it means its ok to coach a year and then not and then coach 3 years and then take a year off, I disagree with you. Really? How old are you, anyway? I don't think too many coaches just take a year off here and there for no good reason. Life happens. Kids are born. Family gets sick. Coaches get sick. Situations change. People get burned out on the BS and long hours of coaching. It's a grind. Now, if that accountant down the street wasn't making his living from accounting--if he just really loved accounting but was only getting paid $3k a year or whatever to do it on top of a 9-5 breadwinning job--do you think accountants would take a year off here and there? I do. That's a bad analogy. Coaching, in a lot of ways, is more like making music, writing, art, or doing charity work. We do it because we love it, not for the money. Do people in those fields take time off between projects at times due to changes in their situations? They do that all the time. If you don't like teaching, by all means find another career. They are out there, but for many teachers that would require going back to school and going deeper in debt to pursue something that would pay the same amount or better. When you're a certain age and have a family and a mortgage, that's often not feasible. You go ahead and try telling your principal and superintendent that you're a coach who teaches and doesn't really care much about the classroom. See how supportive they are of you after hearing that. I think we are miscommunication. I am middle aged, well into my second decade of coaching. So not an OG yet, not a young guy either. Taking a year off just doesnt make sense to me in most cases. There are obviously situations where you have too, illness being a great example. But I cant get behind the taking time off because you are burnt out. Take a lesser role then. Finally I would have no problem telling my bosses that I got into education to be a coach. This doesnt mean I am not a good teacher, in fact I think I am in the top 1/4 of teachers (Mainly because there are a lot of terrible teachers out there) I do a great job in the classroom if for no other reason than to keep my coaching job. (this isnt the only reason, I take pride in anyjob that I do regardless of whether i want to or not) As coaches we do way more for the students that almost any teachers, I spend my time energy and money trying to do what is best for these kids.
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