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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 16:15:19 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 17:15:47 GMT -6
What can a coach do in a situation like that? Run away as fast as humanly possible... |
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Post by CS on Oct 31, 2016 17:42:23 GMT -6
How the he!! Did they make the playoffs as a 1-9 team???
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Post by dytmook on Oct 31, 2016 18:03:52 GMT -6
State where everyone makes the playoffs I'm guessing. Pretty sure it is that way in Indiana and Minnesota. Not in Ohio though.
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Post by **** on Oct 31, 2016 18:52:17 GMT -6
State where everyone makes the playoffs I'm guessing. Pretty sure it is that way in Indiana and Minnesota. Not in Ohio though. It is that way in MO. Everybody makes playoffs. Playoffs/districts/regionals whatever you call it starts week 10. Play till you lose. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 19:06:25 GMT -6
How the he!! Did they make the playoffs as a 1-9 team??? In Tennessee, the top 4 teams in the district make the playoffs. There are 8 districts split up across the state with anywhere from 5-9 teams in them. There are roughly 64 teams per class this year, with the exception of the biggest class, where all 32 teams automatically made it. This team was in a 5 team district and they beat what has to be one of the weakest HS teams I've ever seen (2nd year program at a private school that doesn't recruit) to finish 4th in the conference instead of 5th. Meanwhile, there are teams in 8 and 9 team districts who were 6-4 but didn't make it in... |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 31, 2016 19:30:12 GMT -6
This is our first year going from four to six classes in PA. With the re-alignment playoffs are all screwed up in our district. Have had 4 teams "opt out" of playoffs giving teams a first round bye. In one class the big bad private school ended up district champs with out playing a playoff game. Before the season 9 teams opted to play up a class to avoid the private school leaving two teams in the class for the whole district. Other team went 1-9 and said nope to playoffs. Private school "won" district title before their regular season was over and now don't play till Nov 18th. And they told us more classes would be sooooooo much better....
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Post by CS on Nov 1, 2016 3:46:26 GMT -6
How the he!! Did they make the playoffs as a 1-9 team??? In Tennessee, the top 4 teams in the district make the playoffs. There are 8 districts split up across the state with anywhere from 5-9 teams in them. There are roughly 64 teams per class this year, with the exception of the biggest class, where all 32 teams automatically made it. This team was in a 5 team district and they beat what has to be one of the weakest HS teams I've ever seen (2nd year program at a private school that doesn't recruit) to finish 4th in the conference instead of 5th. Meanwhile, there are teams in 8 and 9 team districts who were 6-4 but didn't make it in... We don't have that small of districts but we do allow 5 teams to get in at the lower levels and it's nothing short of dumb. Basically, the 5 seed gets to travel around 2-3 hrs to get pavement scraped by a 1 seed. |
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Post by SconnieOC on Nov 1, 2016 4:52:53 GMT -6
I'd be interested to see what their reasoning is. One would have to imagine there is something bad like a strained relationship with the staff and players if they are that against playing a game. Or I suppose it could be that they thought they'd get beat so badly that their safe spaces would disappear. Either way I would say it speaks towards the softness of people these days.
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Post by CS on Nov 1, 2016 6:04:38 GMT -6
I'd be interested to see what their reasoning is. One would have to imagine there is something bad like a strained relationship with the staff and players if they are that against playing a game. Or I suppose it could be that they thought they'd get beat so badly that their safe spaces would disappear. Either way I would say it speaks towards the softness of people these days. I am going to go out on a limb and say it has more to do with the parents than the players. This is like that story earlier in the year with the teams that forfeited because they were afraid to play a dominate team. I would be embarrassed if this were my community....have some self respect people. |
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Post by wingtol on Nov 1, 2016 6:33:53 GMT -6
It's kind of a double edged sword, like I said we had teams opt out of the playoffs in our district for the first time ever. In one class they took all 6 teams, the team that opted out was 0-10 and possibly the worst team in the state. Couple of the other teams that opted out were so-so and would have gotten stomped but should have played.
Guys complain all the time about participation trophies, making it fair for everyone, include everyone in playoffs and all that jazz but yet when a team who has no right to be in the playoffs says thanks but no thanks they complain about that as well. I think they did the right thing by saying we suck and we know it and don't deserve this. I am gonna bet if you played on a team that gave up over 50 points a game and was getting smashed every week when the coaches said hey we are going to the playoffs you would have said screw this noise too.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 1, 2016 7:23:02 GMT -6
I tend to stay away from the "worst generation" arguments but these kinds of situations really make me wonder about these kids and their parents. It seems like I read more articles every single season about teams forfeiting games or entire seasons. _,, have a little bit of pride and intrinsic motivation and play the game!! Yeah, you may be looking at a loss but at least you can say that you TRIED. Twenty some odd years ago, I played with a group of guys that won TWO games in three years (including an 0-10 varsity season) when we walked into our senior season. We didn't give a chit: we lifted in the off-season and went to camps even after basically losing 30+ games. There were times when we all hated the game but we were going to push through it because it was the right thing to do. The parents of these kids should be ashamed as they're teaching them that they can just pack it in when life gets tough. They'll have fun with that mentality when they get their first real jobs.
"Eighteen year olds stormed the beaches of Normandy in 1944. Eighteen year olds now they need campus "safe spaces" because they don't want their feelings hurt..."
END RANT.
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Post by blb on Nov 1, 2016 7:50:28 GMT -6
Guy I know was a Basketball coach.
One year his squad went 1-19. The number one-ranked team in the state was in their district.
His team won their first two district games over teams that had beaten them handily twice during the season (both had around .500 records), he said, because other teams' kids decided they didn't want to get beat 90-40 again by the number one team and mailed it in.
So his 1-19 team winds up in the district championship game (where of course they got blown out).
That's the kind of thing that can happen when everyone gets into a tournament ostensibly designed to determine a state champion.
I've seen some Football teams who make the playoffs that have decided they've had enough, just don't want to play anymore.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 1, 2016 8:05:21 GMT -6
I don't agree with everyone making the play-offs either. However, it's the hand that has been dealt to this team. Suck it up and play the game.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Nov 1, 2016 8:59:48 GMT -6
Indiana has a ratings system that is top notch, and they don't use it. Jeff Sagarin, a statistician that was used to formulate the BCS is from Indiana and rates every football, and basketball team in the state. His ratings are remarkably accurate yet are never used.
Indiana uses an all-in format and doesnt even seed the playoffs. Teams are assigned their games based on a blind draw. The top two teams in state for the 2nd largest division faced each other in the first round of the playoffs while 0-9 vs 0-9 matchups are taking place. It's lunacy.
Roughly 64 teams are in the bottom 4 divisions (enrollment wise) and 32 teams each in the top 2 divisions. If Indiana took the "top half" of each class according to Sagarin ratings to create their playoff teams, we could have a meaningful playoff system.
5 total teams in the state who were a bottom 32 team beat a top 32 team. That's with 320+ teams playing. I'd think that's a pretty powerful tool that is not being used.
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 1, 2016 9:59:04 GMT -6
Indiana has a ratings system that is top notch, and they don't use it. Jeff Sagarin, a statistician that was used to formulate the BCS is from Indiana and rates every football, and basketball team in the state. His ratings are remarkably accurate yet are never used. Indiana uses an all-in format and doesnt even seed the playoffs. Teams are assigned their games based on a blind draw. The top two teams in state for the 2nd largest division faced each other in the first round of the playoffs while 0-9 vs 0-9 matchups are taking place. It's lunacy. Roughly 64 teams are in the bottom 4 divisions (enrollment wise) and 32 teams each in the top 2 divisions. If Indiana took the "top half" of each class according to Sagarin ratings to create their playoff teams, we could have a meaningful playoff system. 5 total teams in the state who were a bottom 32 team beat a top 32 team. That's with 320+ teams playing. I'd think that's a pretty powerful tool that is not being used. Preach!! Then you end up with one of the potential best matchups in the playoffs in the first round with Columbus East vs New Pal! |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 1, 2016 10:23:04 GMT -6
These states don't want marquee title and semi final games? Stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 10:24:41 GMT -6
In Tennessee, the top 4 teams in the district make the playoffs. There are 8 districts split up across the state with anywhere from 5-9 teams in them. There are roughly 64 teams per class this year, with the exception of the biggest class, where all 32 teams automatically made it. This team was in a 5 team district and they beat what has to be one of the weakest HS teams I've ever seen (2nd year program at a private school that doesn't recruit) to finish 4th in the conference instead of 5th. Meanwhile, there are teams in 8 and 9 team districts who were 6-4 but didn't make it in... We don't have that small of districts but we do allow 5 teams to get in at the lower levels and it's nothing short of dumb. Basically, the 5 seed gets to travel around 2-3 hrs to get pavement scraped by a 1 seed. The weird thing about the top 4 is that this usually happens, but some districts are so much tougher than the one next door that they'll sweep the first round. This team is from one of the weakest districts in the state. The first place team was 4-6. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2016 10:33:10 GMT -6
Indiana doesnt even seed the playoffs. Teams are assigned their games based on a blind draw. The top two teams in state for the 2nd largest division faced each other in the first round of the playoffs while 0-9 vs 0-9 matchups are taking place. It's lunacy. No matter how you do playoffs or decide who is in, that is absolutely ridiculous! How does that even fly?? Do they do that in basketball? |
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Post by realdawg on Nov 1, 2016 10:49:53 GMT -6
In NC a lot o teams make it in. Not everyone. But prob 75-80 percent. Teams can opt out. But I think it's a $500 fine. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by coachirish on Nov 1, 2016 11:18:08 GMT -6
Indiana doesnt even seed the playoffs. Teams are assigned their games based on a blind draw. The top two teams in state for the 2nd largest division faced each other in the first round of the playoffs while 0-9 vs 0-9 matchups are taking place. It's lunacy. No matter how you do playoffs or decide who is in, that is absolutely ridiculous! How does that even fly?? Do they do that in basketball? |
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Post by fantom on Nov 1, 2016 11:27:48 GMT -6
I don't agree with everyone making the play-offs either. However, it's the hand that has been dealt to this team. Suck it up and play the game. Just to provide a counter-point: It's one thing to play basketball against a team that's vastly superior. The worst that can happen is that you get blown out and embarrassed. In football, though, people can get hurt. |
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Post by pistolwhipped on Nov 1, 2016 13:54:50 GMT -6
Indiana doesnt even seed the playoffs. Teams are assigned their games based on a blind draw. The top two teams in state for the 2nd largest division faced each other in the first round of the playoffs while 0-9 vs 0-9 matchups are taking place. It's lunacy. No matter how you do playoffs or decide who is in, that is absolutely ridiculous! How does that even fly?? Do they do that in basketball? The Indiana basketball tournament is an all-in blind draw. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 15:37:13 GMT -6
Regarding the "opt out" thing... you can't do that in our state.
My understanding is that the entire school could have been put on a 1 year postseason ban for forfeiting a playoff game. Baseball, basketball, girls' sports, etc.
Today they announced basketball, where this school won state a few years ago, was going to be banned from the postseason this year as punishment.
Our association wants that playoff money! That's why we have 6 classes and 172 public schools out of around 330 make the playoffs every year.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 1, 2016 16:26:25 GMT -6
In Illinois, teams pretty much have to have a winning record to get in. 6 wins is an automatic qualifier. Teams with 5 wins get in based on "playoff points" (opponent wins). Every year, there are a handful of 5-4 teams that don't make it because they don't have enough points.
Teams are then seeded in their playoff breakout based on regular season record and playoff points. Typically, a 5-4 team is going to play a 9-0 team in the first round.
There are bad first round blowouts. Just this past week, we had a local team destroy a team from Chicago 67-0 (it was 61-0 at half).
But we also have upsets. This past week, a local 9-0 team got upended 43-42 by a 5-4 team that had to make a 4-hour drive to the game.
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Post by s73 on Nov 1, 2016 17:04:55 GMT -6
Haven't read all the responses here but I saw some of them ripping these kids for choosing not to play. I certainly can't fight that quitting is never the right approach. However.......to play Devil's advocate here......they did fulfill their regular season obligation, clearly they are not a very good team & have most likely been getting pounded all season.....and now they have to play most likely a top seed in an all inclusive play off system when they have no business being in a play off game in the first place? I will never advocate quitting but quite frankly I feel like the kids have more sense in some ways then the State association. Football is not a sport in which the play off system should be all inclusive b/c the mismatches cannot only be horrible to watch but also completely unsafe. Hate to say it, and I know I'll hear it from many of you, but not so sure I can blame the kids for a crappy play off system. JMO. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 1, 2016 17:37:37 GMT -6
Haven't read all the responses here but I saw some of them ripping these kids for choosing not to play. I certainly can't fight that quitting is never the right approach. However.......to play Devil's advocate here......they did fulfill their regular season obligation, clearly they are not a very good team & have most likely been getting pounded all season.....and now they have to play most likely a top seed in an all inclusive play off system when they have no business being in a play off game in the first place? I will never advocate quitting but quite frankly I feel like the kids have more sense in some ways then the State association. Football is not a sport in which the play off system should be all inclusive b/c the mismatches cannot only be horrible to watch but also completely unsafe. Hate to say it, and I know I'll hear it from many of you, but not so sure I can blame the kids for a crappy play off system. JMO. But you knew the playoff system when you signed up to play football. |
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Post by s73 on Nov 1, 2016 17:50:28 GMT -6
Haven't read all the responses here but I saw some of them ripping these kids for choosing not to play. I certainly can't fight that quitting is never the right approach. However.......to play Devil's advocate here......they did fulfill their regular season obligation, clearly they are not a very good team & have most likely been getting pounded all season.....and now they have to play most likely a top seed in an all inclusive play off system when they have no business being in a play off game in the first place? I will never advocate quitting but quite frankly I feel like the kids have more sense in some ways then the State association. Football is not a sport in which the play off system should be all inclusive b/c the mismatches cannot only be horrible to watch but also completely unsafe. Hate to say it, and I know I'll hear it from many of you, but not so sure I can blame the kids for a crappy play off system. JMO. But you knew the playoff system when you signed up to play football. True coach, but most HS teams and kids in general are also guilty of delusions of grandeur before the season kicks off. Not saying quitting is the right thing to do, but the adults here need to have some sense to. Getting kids destroyed is not going to help promote our game during this time of football scrutiny. Again, JMO. |
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Post by nstanley on Nov 1, 2016 19:27:19 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Nov 2, 2016 7:33:27 GMT -6
I don't agree with everyone making the play-offs either. However, it's the hand that has been dealt to this team. Suck it up and play the game. Just to provide a counter-point: It's one thing to play basketball against a team that's vastly superior. The worst that can happen is that you get blown out and embarrassed. In football, though, people can get hurt. I can understand that but that'll just come down to communicating with the other coach if things get nasty early. Get your subs in quickly and talk to the opposing HC at half time about keeping both sides safe. He's not going to want to leave his studs in long either as there'd be nothing worse than losing a starter to injury against an 0-9 team. And, next year, these weak teams that automatically make the play-offs need to get together and let the powers-that-be know that the system sucks and that it needs to change. For the very reason you described. I suppose forfeiting a game sends a strong message but it is still one that I don't agree with. |
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