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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 16:57:40 GMT -6
Phillip Fulmer , I think deserves a mention as well Cut would be over him IMO. Fulmer is the a great example of becoming complacent after success. Whats funny is i actually meant Cutcliffe, but was literally reading something by Fullmer when i typed that....my bad Cutcliffe absolutely
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Post by 53 on Oct 27, 2016 17:45:51 GMT -6
Cuts one hell of a coach and was the discipline that the team really lacked the two times he left Tennessee
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Post by bigcoach39 on Oct 28, 2016 6:50:22 GMT -6
Mike Leach Washington St.
Nate Woody Appalachian State
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Post by tanavea on Oct 28, 2016 10:26:55 GMT -6
The Best Minds in College Football that I would love to learn from Offense Mike Leach - Passing Game genius. No matter where he goes Paul Johnson - The Best Expert in the Flexbone offenseTom Herman - Championship at OSU and is doing great things at UH Mike Bloomgren - Love the multiple TE Sets Defense Nick Saban - Always has great defenses, and his success speaks for itself Kyle Wittingham - Year in year out has a stingy defense. Brent Venables - Always had a great defense at OU, and is finally making a name for himself at Clemson Very debatable I just said that because he is the most well known Flexbone guy and he is doing it at the highest level of College Football. (Power 5 team) and has found a lot of success. Which Flexbone coaches do you regard as experts or masterminds? I'd like to get to know more than just PJ and Niumatalolo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 14:35:29 GMT -6
I just said that because he is the most well known Flexbone guy and he is doing it at the highest level of College Football. (Power 5 team) and has found a lot of success. Which Flexbone coaches do you regard as experts or masterminds? I'd like to get to know more than just PJ and Niumatalolo. Fisher DeBErry was the best Flex coach I have ever seen, Troy Calhoun has done very well with it as well, but is more multiple at the academy now Bear Bryant also debuted it near the end of his tenure Rich Ellerson did very well with it at previous stops before his stint at Army Thers a few others
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Post by newcoryell on Oct 30, 2016 19:17:23 GMT -6
My list? Andrew Coverdale, Dan Robinson, Dub Maddox, Gunter Brewer and Bob Stitt. I find that the best minds come from OUR level. I respect the hell out of coaches at the other level as well....but I've sat in college rooms and the discussions that I've had with these guys trumps a lot HOT coaches.
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Post by jg78 on Oct 30, 2016 20:19:22 GMT -6
My list? Andrew Coverdale, Dan Robinson, Dub Maddox, Gunter Brewer and Bob Stitt. I find that the best minds come from OUR level. I respect the hell out of coaches at the other level as well....but I've sat in college rooms and the discussions that I've had with these guys trumps a lot HOT coaches. I do think the difference between a really good high school football coach and your typical college coach is closer than the general public probably thinks.
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Post by newcoryell on Oct 30, 2016 21:23:26 GMT -6
I think that they are actually better in a lot of cases. Sure, we take inspiration from them. But, I feel that we have a greater responsibility to the game than many of the so called experts.
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Post by caleb59seal on Oct 31, 2016 10:30:39 GMT -6
I would add Coach Shoop DC from The University of Tennessee ... He has been successful everywhere he has been... UT's defense was pretty good until they started loosing virtually every starter on defense...
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Post by 53 on Oct 31, 2016 14:24:21 GMT -6
I would add Coach Shoop DC from The University of Tennessee ... He has been successful everywhere he has been... UT's defense was pretty good until they started loosing virtually every starter on defense... His biggest mistake was coming to coach for Butch and his stellar offense
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Post by coachdubyah on Oct 31, 2016 20:10:28 GMT -6
There are certainly some good minds and good coaches out there at all level of college football. Some in the limelight and some in obscurity. Glenn Caruso? This is a good pick. Caruso has better players at St Thomas but managed to move the ball with lesser talent before he got to St Thomas. I feel like he will get a shot somewhere big soon...but only if he wants to. Dark Horse = Kirk Ferentz Iowa does more with less and they believe in what they do.
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Post by planck on Nov 1, 2016 9:42:46 GMT -6
Iowa develops players well and then squanders it with bizarre strategic decisions.
See: running outside zone with a converted fullback who posed no threat to get to the corner because "well thats just what we do."
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Post by 33coach on Nov 1, 2016 9:47:17 GMT -6
Iowa develops players well and then squanders it with bizarre strategic decisions. See: running outside zone with a converted fullback who posed no threat to get to the corner because "well thats just what we do." im slowly (SLOWLY) learning that the most dangerous phrase to a coaches career is "thats just what we do."
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 1, 2016 10:26:25 GMT -6
That saying has cost many old coaches their jobs.
You constantly need to evolve.
We had a recently retired legendary coach in our area (39 years) who won multiple titles (7 total, 5 straight). He ran what some would say is a junk offense. In the 80's and early 90's it was a wing t, in the late 90's it was pro I, in the 2000's it was a run-oriented spread. Some call it junk but he ALWAYS found a way to feature what his guys did best and his best athletes. I have the upmost respect for him and NOT just "doing what we do" year to year.
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Post by rsmith627 on Nov 1, 2016 10:30:04 GMT -6
My list? Andrew Coverdale, Dan Robinson, Dub Maddox, Gunter Brewer and Bob Stitt. I find that the best minds come from OUR level. I respect the hell out of coaches at the other level as well....but I've sat in college rooms and the discussions that I've had with these guys trumps a lot HOT coaches. Agree 100%. I have been breaking down college All 22 to learn. Several schools do things that apply to what I do, but this year am committing to just looking at offense and defense from high schools. There are some brilliant guys at our level. Jim Harbaugh talked at his clinic about how he loves to pull guys from our ranks because there are some great minds. Greatest mind I have ever encountered is Greg Baur at Macomb Dakota here in Michigan. He won't talk to outsiders (I learned some from him when I coached with him), but the guy knows his chit defensively. Joe DuPaix is a guy I coached with in Utah. He is at Southern Virginia now (Division 3) and knows the flexbone as well as anybody.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 1, 2016 17:07:17 GMT -6
That saying has cost many old coaches their jobs. You constantly need to evolve. We had a recently retired legendary coach in our area (39 years) who won multiple titles (7 total, 5 straight). He ran what some would say is a junk offense. In the 80's and early 90's it was a wing t, in the late 90's it was pro I, in the 2000's it was a run-oriented spread. Some call it junk but he ALWAYS found a way to feature what his guys did best and his best athletes. I have the upmost respect for him and NOT just "doing what we do" year to year. On the flip side, a lot of coaches have lost their jobs because of constant change leading to poor continuity and execution. All else being equal, I would rather coach against a first year spread team than a Wing-T team with players that have been running Buck Sweep, Trap and Belly since the 7th grade. I think it's import to evolve and adapt but not necessarily to pick out a shiny new offense every year just b/c it's pretty. There needs to be sound reasoning behind changes and additions and that's not always the case.
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Post by planck on Nov 1, 2016 17:24:30 GMT -6
I think it's less about "this is what we do" or "do something different" and more about "use your personnel wisely". If you have a thumper at RB who can't turn the corner, don't run outside zone. Run Inside Zone, Power, Counter, bla bla bla. Use the vertical run game and make the safeties drop down. Don't run laterally and get killed by backside pursuit while 2 safeties hang out deep and have a tea party. Figure out what your personnel do well, what you know how to coach that uses those skills, and DO THAT.
Sorry, I'll get off of my soapbox now.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 1, 2016 18:14:07 GMT -6
I think it's less about "this is what we do" or "do something different" and more about "use your personnel wisely". If you have a thumper at RB who can't turn the corner, don't run outside zone. Run Inside Zone, Power, Counter, bla bla bla. Use the vertical run game and make the safeties drop down. Don't run laterally and get killed by backside pursuit while 2 safeties hang out deep and have a tea party. Figure out what your personnel do well, what you know how to coach that uses those skills, and DO THAT. Sorry, I'll get off of my soapbox now. I understand and agree with you.
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Post by coachdubyah on Nov 1, 2016 18:28:29 GMT -6
I think it's less about "this is what we do" or "do something different" and more about "use your personnel wisely". If you have a thumper at RB who can't turn the corner, don't run outside zone. Run Inside Zone, Power, Counter, bla bla bla. Use the vertical run game and make the safeties drop down. Don't run laterally and get killed by backside pursuit while 2 safeties hang out deep and have a tea party. Figure out what your personnel do well, what you know how to coach that uses those skills, and DO THAT. Sorry, I'll get off of my soapbox now. I think the same thing could be said about most "football minds".
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Post by caleb59seal on Nov 2, 2016 11:39:08 GMT -6
Phillip Fulmer , I think deserves a mention as well Cut would be over him IMO. Fulmer is the a great example of becoming complacent after success. Fulmer is one of the better offensive line coaches I have seen...
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 20, 2016 18:11:31 GMT -6
There are certainly some good minds and good coaches out there at all level of college football. Some in the limelight and some in obscurity. Glenn Caruso? Caruso is just one of many great coaches in the MIAC.
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Post by badtotheflexbone on Nov 20, 2016 20:48:49 GMT -6
My list? Andrew Coverdale, Dan Robinson, Dub Maddox, Gunter Brewer and Bob Stitt. I find that the best minds come from OUR level. I respect the hell out of coaches at the other level as well....but I've sat in college rooms and the discussions that I've had with these guys trumps a lot HOT coaches. Agree 100%. I have been breaking down college All 22 to learn. Several schools do things that apply to what I do, but this year am committing to just looking at offense and defense from high schools. There are some brilliant guys at our level. Jim Harbaugh talked at his clinic about how he loves to pull guys from our ranks because there are some great minds. Greatest mind I have ever encountered is Greg Baur at Macomb Dakota here in Michigan. He won't talk to outsiders (I learned some from him when I coached with him), but the guy knows his chit defensively. Joe DuPaix is a guy I coached with in Utah. He is at Southern Virginia now (Division 3) and knows the flexbone as well as anybody. How do you get ahold of the college all-22 film? I know you can pay for NFL all-22. Same Service?
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 20, 2016 22:30:32 GMT -6
Tom Herman Bobby Petrino Lincoln Riley Kliff Kingsbury Lane Kiffin Dave Aranda And of course: Saban and Meyer I like this list, I would add Hal Mumme, he's influenced just about every dude u listed. The guy at western Michigan Chad Morris -smu Navy and air forces headers Bob stoops Who ever is at Houston for defense and came up with the pressures and game plan to stop Louisville the other night! Man that was impressive And when Todd graham was a dc at Tulsa and West Virginia, I really like the stuff he did
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 20, 2016 22:32:20 GMT -6
Not necessarily saying Kiffin isn't among the best minds, but I believe Saban assistants get a lot of love mainly because they are always coaching the best players. Just look at Kirby Smart. Saban himself is the best defensive coach in football, IMO. No matter who Saban names his DC, Saban runs that defense and runs it well year after year. Yes, he has athletes and always gets the top recruiting classes, but they are also extremely fundamentally sound and well-coached, do things schematically that are a step ahead of others, and have just been shutting down top teams this year. Yep what happened at georgia this year? Aren't those the same guys mark richt (spelling?) had?
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 20, 2016 22:33:29 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this? Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around" Medical student "what are you talking about?" BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain" gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall. I just laughed out loud to this!
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 20, 2016 22:36:06 GMT -6
I just said that because he is the most well known Flexbone guy and he is doing it at the highest level of College Football. (Power 5 team) and has found a lot of success. Which Flexbone coaches do you regard as experts or masterminds? I'd like to get to know more than just PJ and Niumatalolo. The guys down at Harding university in Arkansas do, d2 Chris hill at Wynne Arkansas, used to be an air raid now flex The guy that just got hired at lake Hamilton, Jeremy reed, won a title last year at Altus , ok, running it, is pretty dang knowledgable too
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Nov 20, 2016 22:42:18 GMT -6
Just to throw a new name in the bunch instead of the usual...I think it is worth your while to go check out Phil Longo at Sam Houston State... He runs a heck of an up tempo offense that is as good as it is fast. I love to watch guys that are doing things different but sometimes go unnoticed! Great guy to listen to at clinic
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Post by coachcreighton on Nov 21, 2016 21:14:46 GMT -6
Dave Aranda-LSU Gary Patterson-TCU Chris Petersen-Washington Dabo/Venables-Clemson
Name to watch out for: Mike Sanford... Co-OC at Notre Dame. Kelly is calling plays, but Sanford has an extremely bright future. A lot of people want him as the next HBC here in Boise if Harsin gets the Oregon job.
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Post by coachgreen05 on Jan 23, 2018 7:50:36 GMT -6
Tom Herman Bobby Petrino Lincoln Riley Kliff Kingsbury Lane Kiffin Dave Aranda And of course: Saban and Meyer Tom Herman??
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Post by wingtol on Jan 23, 2018 7:53:13 GMT -6
Tom Herman Bobby Petrino Lincoln Riley Kliff Kingsbury Lane Kiffin Dave Aranda And of course: Saban and Meyer Tom Herman?? I'm sure two years ago when this post was made yes people considered him a top mind. How do you even dig up a two year old thread on here anyways?
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