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Post by olinedude on Oct 24, 2016 8:15:57 GMT -6
I'd throw in Phil Montgomery on the offensive side of the ball. Did crazy stuff at Baylor and now Tulsa is making some noise in the AAC. Also, Craig Bohl. Dominated at NDSU and now has Wyoming doing well in the MW.
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 24, 2016 8:37:43 GMT -6
There are certainly some good minds and good coaches out there at all level of college football. Some in the limelight and some in obscurity.
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Post by agap on Oct 24, 2016 8:55:00 GMT -6
There are certainly some good minds and good coaches out there at all level of college football. Some in the limelight and some in obscurity. Glenn Caruso?
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 24, 2016 13:24:27 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this?
Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around"
Medical student "what are you talking about?"
BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain"
gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall.
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Post by planck on Oct 24, 2016 18:44:41 GMT -6
It takes players to make them go but if were talking scheme wise in no order Jim Harbaugh is setting new standards in recruiting and has had success in both the NFL and NCAA ill also add Joe Rudolph-OC Wisconsin Greg Davis -OC Iowa Lane Kiffin-OC Alabama Jonathan Smith-OC University of Washington I'm right there with you on all of those except for Greg Davis. Can you explain his appeal?
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Post by 53 on Oct 24, 2016 19:02:53 GMT -6
It takes players to make them go but if were talking scheme wise in no order Jim Harbaugh is setting new standards in recruiting and has had success in both the NFL and NCAA ill also add Joe Rudolph-OC Wisconsin Greg Davis -OC Iowa Lane Kiffin-OC Alabama Jonathan Smith-OC University of Washington I'm right there with you on all of those except for Greg Davis. Can you explain his appeal? I agree. I don't get it either.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 24, 2016 19:11:59 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this? Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around" Medical student "what are you talking about?" BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain" gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall. No sport uses universal terminology to my knowledge. You can't compare sport terminology to medical field terminology. Even if there was universal football terminology....how would that help compare coaches?
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Post by prostylespread on Oct 25, 2016 0:51:30 GMT -6
Just to throw a new name in the bunch instead of the usual...I think it is worth your while to go check out Phil Longo at Sam Houston State... He runs a heck of an up tempo offense that is as good as it is fast. I love to watch guys that are doing things different but sometimes go unnoticed!
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Post by fshamrock on Oct 25, 2016 7:59:25 GMT -6
I think it would be easier to know who the "best minds" were if we had a more universal terminology. Most of the time I think I'm reading some kinda unbelievable new trend in the game then 45 minutes later I figure out that it's something else I've already heard of just called something completely different. What other field does this? Brain surgeon: "yeah i'm just gonna wollymuch around in the bloofer and after that i'll reduct the pluplek until is renoves around" Medical student "what are you talking about?" BS: "oh I just have my own terminology for everything in the brain" gimmie a break.... unfortunately it'll never change..we can bog down what we do into jargon to make it seem more complicated, this helps us sell our latest ebook and seem smart to the ladies at the VFW hall. No sport uses universal terminology to my knowledge. You can't compare sport terminology to medical field terminology. Even if there was universal football terminology....how would that help compare coaches? The point I'm making is that very little is new in the game, often times things that are considered cutting edge are just old ideas repackaged with new jargon to make them seem shiny (the scorched earth offense baby!!!!)Polished turds if you like that analogy better. Seems like if we accepted a more universal language, it would be a lot easier to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I could be way off base. You do make a good point about there being no universal terminology in any game, not sure why that is but it's interesting to think about anyways, got off topic my bad the DC for UofH seems like a pretty smart guy
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 25, 2016 8:29:51 GMT -6
Sometimes the really "smart" guys run non-innovative things really well. I think it's important to differentiate between innovators and good coaches.
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Post by agap on Oct 25, 2016 9:00:15 GMT -6
Didn't a lot of people think Norm Parker was pretty smart after they played Georgia Tech a few years ago? All he did was run a 4-3 with Cover 2.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 25, 2016 9:24:49 GMT -6
Sometimes the really "smart" guys run non-innovative things really well. I think it's important to differentiate between innovators and good coaches. hell half of them just run inside/outside zone and a 4-3 defense. innovative is definitely not important. its the guys who are motivators and teachers that end up at the front of my list.
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 25, 2016 9:31:16 GMT -6
Didn't a lot of people think Norm Parker was pretty smart after they played Georgia Tech a few years ago? All he did was run a 4-3 with Cover 2. Also some Cover 3, but Norm Parker may not have been an innovator but that dude could coach some defense. Very, very sound. Heard Holgorsen tell a story about when Texas Tech was going to play Iowa in a bowl game in one of Leach's first few years there, and they looked at film and Leach said something to the effect of "a bunch of slow Iowa guys playing Cover 3 the whole game, we might score 60," and then Iowa held them to like 200 yards of offense and 10 or so points and beat them. It was actually one of the big reasons Leach developed and refined his whole four verticals package because he felt like Iowa just squeezed all the space out and they weren't threatening them correctly.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Oct 25, 2016 11:34:43 GMT -6
I'm of the opinion that David Yost (QB Coach/Pass Game Coor.) at Oregon is very underrated. Pick his brain if you ever get an opportunity. He used to be an OC up the road here at Mizzou. As an OC, Yost loved empty backfield sets and using his QB like an extra running back. He's a smart guy.
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Post by joelee on Oct 25, 2016 12:05:59 GMT -6
Art Briles and his offense (montgomery, babers, gilbert and many of the concepts filtering to others) is trying and possibly succeeding to run people out of quarters, the chosen hot defensive answer of the last decade.
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Post by georgefred86 on Oct 25, 2016 20:58:26 GMT -6
I think Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh and Paul Chryst are all offensive geniuses ... they utilize their talent as well as any in the country. Defensively ... Dave Aranda, Bud Foster and Nick Saban. Overrated coaches are all those dudes in the SEC that don't win enough football games because they are all beating each others brains in with the best talent in the country.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 25, 2016 21:20:07 GMT -6
I think Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh and Paul Chryst are all offensive geniuses ... they utilize their talent as well as any in the country. Defensively ... Dave Aranda, Bud Foster and Nick Saban. Overrated coaches are all those dudes in the SEC that don't win enough football games because they are all beating each others brains in with the best talent in the country. So....that would be Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and now Dave Aranda....
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Post by georgefred86 on Oct 25, 2016 21:22:05 GMT -6
I think Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh and Paul Chryst are all offensive geniuses ... they utilize their talent as well as any in the country. Defensively ... Dave Aranda, Bud Foster and Nick Saban. Overrated coaches are all those dudes in the SEC that don't win enough football games because they are all beating each others brains in with the best talent in the country. So....that would be Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and now Dave Aranda.... Ha ... exactly!
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Post by tanavea on Oct 27, 2016 8:15:45 GMT -6
The Best Minds in College Football that I would love to learn from
Offense Mike Leach - Passing Game genius. No matter where he goes Paul Johnson - The Best Expert in the Flexbone offense Tom Herman - Championship at OSU and is doing great things at UH Mike Bloomgren - Love the multiple TE Sets
Defense Nick Saban - Always has great defenses, and his success speaks for itself Kyle Wittingham - Year in year out has a stingy defense. Brent Venables - Always had a great defense at OU, and is finally making a name for himself at Clemson
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Post by dozer60 on Oct 27, 2016 8:39:27 GMT -6
Offense Coach Peterson -UW Coach Harsin-Boise State Ed Warinner -Ohio state
Defensive Gary Patterson @ TCU is still one of the greats IMO Don Brown @ Michigan has had success being creative at his various stops. Marcel Yates
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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 27, 2016 8:58:18 GMT -6
Timing is everything. Coaches are judged I feel by wins and losses and that affects how they are viewed. Craig Bohl was tearing it up at NDSU for years and goes to Wyoming and is ....not talked about as much. Recruiting is so important now a days and results go hand in hand.
Defense: Saban Durkin Dantonio
Offense: Petrino Herman Malzahn
I think Harbaugh is intriguing because he runs an old school pro-style offense and has had success at San Diego, Stanford, 49'ers (NFL) and now Michigan.
The new fad is tempo and RPO's. Spread offenses are the flavor now. Harbaugh does traditional stuff as did Bohl at NDSU with the offense and defense where kids are playing fast and aggressive. That is the key!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 9:02:00 GMT -6
+1 on Gary Patterson. The 4-2-5 has kind of become old hat as the ideas have filtered out, but he's the guy who pioneered many of the most innovative defensive ideas of the past 30 years. That has to count for something, even if it's not shiny and new anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 9:03:40 GMT -6
I think Harbaugh is intriguing because he runs an old school pro-style offense and has had success at San Diego, Stanford, 49'ers (NFL) and now Michigan. The new fad is tempo and RPO's. Spread offenses are the flavor now. Harbaugh does traditional stuff as did Bohl at NDSU with the offense and defense where kids are playing fast and aggressive. That is the key! What is so interesting about Harbaugh is all the little wrinkles he puts in there. The offense is Power, Counter, Iso, and Sweep with basic Pro Style passing concepts, but with all kinds of tags and a ton of cool things with formations, shifts, and motions in there to leverage a defense a million different ways to get what they want.
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Post by wolfden12 on Oct 27, 2016 9:06:41 GMT -6
I think Harbaugh is intriguing because he runs an old school pro-style offense and has had success at San Diego, Stanford, 49'ers (NFL) and now Michigan. The new fad is tempo and RPO's. Spread offenses are the flavor now. Harbaugh does traditional stuff as did Bohl at NDSU with the offense and defense where kids are playing fast and aggressive. That is the key! What is so interesting about Harbaugh is all the little wrinkles he puts in there. The offense is Power, Counter, Iso, and Sweep with basic Pro Style passing concepts, but with all kinds of tags and a ton of cool things with formations, shifts, and motions in there to leverage a defense a million different ways to get what they want. It really just comes down to how well can you coach it and maximize the potential of your team.
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Post by wamp19 on Oct 27, 2016 10:37:29 GMT -6
Offense Coach Peterson -UW Coach Harsin-Boise State Ed Warinner -Ohio state Defensive Gary Patterson @ TCU is still one of the greats IMO Don Brown @ Michigan has had success being creative at his various stops. Marcel Yates I have to ask, why Warinner? Ohio States offense, especially the passing game, hasn't been the same since Herman left.
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Post by pitt1980 on Oct 27, 2016 13:55:09 GMT -6
I'll just throw this out there -
I've been impressed with how Matt Canada has gotten the jet sweep concept (and the other stuff they do off of it) to look at Pitt this year
I'd never been that huge a fan of the concept before this season, but they've gotten good mileage out of it this year and made me reconsider it as a concept
few years ago I watched a bunch of reruns over the summer of Indiana games on Big 10 Network and was impressed with the talent to results ratio of the offenses he was coordinator of there too, seemed to get a lot out of some offenses that seemed pretty overmatched talent wise (those teams seemed far more pass heavy than this Pitt team)
fwiw - they play tonight against Virginia Tech on ESPN
(never met him, don't know anything about him personally, just impressed from casually watching some of his offenses on TV)
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Post by 33coach on Oct 27, 2016 14:32:16 GMT -6
ill throw a few names out there from the local school ( Cal Poly) ... guys ive talked to who are definitely on point.
Juston Wood - the guy knows more about QB play then most - especially in the triple Option.
Saga Tuitele - who is now the OL coach at New Mexico great guy with alot of fundamental knowledge. i picked up a lot from him.
Eti Ena - now at Eastern Washington, i got the privilege of coaching his son for 2 years. and spent a lot of time picking his brain before and after practice.
if any of those guys are speaking at a clinic you're going to, you want to be in the room.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 14:39:15 GMT -6
Phillip Fulmer , I think deserves a mention as well
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Post by CS on Oct 27, 2016 14:40:57 GMT -6
The Best Minds in College Football that I would love to learn from Offense Mike Leach - Passing Game genius. No matter where he goes Paul Johnson - The Best Expert in the Flexbone offenseTom Herman - Championship at OSU and is doing great things at UH Mike Bloomgren - Love the multiple TE Sets Defense Nick Saban - Always has great defenses, and his success speaks for itself Kyle Wittingham - Year in year out has a stingy defense. Brent Venables - Always had a great defense at OU, and is finally making a name for himself at Clemson Very debatable
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Post by 53 on Oct 27, 2016 15:49:34 GMT -6
Phillip Fulmer , I think deserves a mention as well Cut would be over him IMO. Fulmer is the a great example of becoming complacent after success.
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