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Post by coachpech on Oct 14, 2016 7:04:26 GMT -6
Does anyone know if there's any company or individuals out there that charge to ODK on HUDL? Say we wanted all our current film on HUDL to be ODK'd, not just ODK'd but Down, Distance, Hash, Yard Line, Play Time, Result, Formation, Front, etc.
Is this crazy to ask or do we just bite the bullet and take the time to do it? I just hate watching film for hours upon hours...
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Post by nhdc4 on Oct 14, 2016 7:09:26 GMT -6
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 14, 2016 7:24:02 GMT -6
There are services out there that does it. I understand some programs don't have the manpower to doit themselves, but I honestly think many staffs are just lazy. Our HC assigns a couple columns per coach. For example, I ODK everything, another assistant tags hash, play direction, play type, another coach does down and distance, our HC tags the play, result, gain/loss. We got a good system going.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 14, 2016 7:31:01 GMT -6
find a skinny nerdy boy who loves sports in your class, have him do it
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 14, 2016 7:33:32 GMT -6
find a skinny nerdy boy who loves sports in your class, have him do it Some columns anyone with some football knowledge can tag, but if you're going to tag everything like the play, formation, front, coverage, etc. A knowledgeable coach has to do it. You don't want to call a formation twins one week, then tag it slot the next week because it will screw up the data. Keeping everything uniform is difficult if you have amateurs doing it. |
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Post by PSS on Oct 14, 2016 7:37:02 GMT -6
There are services out there that does it. I understand some programs don't have the manpower to doit themselves, but I honestly think many staffs are just lazy. Our HC assigns a couple columns per coach. For example, I ODK everything, another assistant tags hash, play direction, play type, another coach does down and distance, our HC tags the play, result, gain/loss. We got a good system going. Same here. We have are JH coaches put in the information that doesn't require terminology, i.e., down/distance/hash. Then one HS coach names the plays, another names the formations / backfield / formation strength. We trade previous games 10 days out so the JH coaches have those done by Saturday, they only have to do the previous night's game. We trade every film so by this time of the year we are breaking down 7-8 games. It takes about 3 hours to get the remaining info put in. I know this, HUDL beats the old days of staying up all night with DSV putting the film in and then the info. |
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Post by blb on Oct 14, 2016 7:37:36 GMT -6
Got an email the other day from HUDL's guy in our state stating that he-they will now do complete breakdowns for a fee.
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Post by rosey65 on Oct 14, 2016 7:40:02 GMT -6
find a skinny nerdy boy who loves sports in your class, have him do it Some columns anyone with some football knowledge can tag, but if you're going to tag everything like the play, formation, front, coverage, etc. A knowledgeable coach has to do it. You don't want to call a formation twins one week, then tag it slot the next week because it will screw up the data. Keeping everything uniform is difficult if you have amateurs doing it. Most columns can be filled out by anyone, ODK, down, distance, result, etc. As far as formation and play, whether it's an amateur or pro, if you want something done right... |
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Post by PSS on Oct 14, 2016 7:46:30 GMT -6
Unless you want a lot of skewed data then the person naming the play needs to do it for every game in order to stay consistent. The same holds true for formations.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 14, 2016 7:53:59 GMT -6
I agree. It takes very little time if it's broken up among the staff.
I (HC/DB) do this first:
ODK
Yard Line
Down
Distance
Play Type
Most of the time Hudl will fill in the Gain/Loss column
After that, I go back and do stats. I set up 2 "quick change" sets, one for offensive stats, one for defensive stats. I'll go through the game chronologically, switching back and forth from o to d:
For O-
Result
Passer
Receiver
Rusher
and for D-
Result
Tackler 1
Tackler 2
Key Player
It takes me 1hr maybe.
Then my DC handles our calls (we have a subvarsity guy write down all the calls so he doesn't have to guess what it was) and logging them in
OC and OL coach handle the offensive formations and calls
For scout film, I:
ODK
Offensive Formation (that way it's only 1 person tagging that for consistency)
Play Type
My DC does:
Offensive Play
D&D
Hash etc
and our scout films are tagged up completely by Tuesday.
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Post by coachpech on Oct 14, 2016 7:54:52 GMT -6
Got an email the other day from HUDL's guy in our state stating that he-they will now do complete breakdowns for a fee. I didn't know it ever cost money to do a breakdown? To my knowledge the breakdowns have always been free, or maybe that's just on our account. In order to get the most out of the breakdown and to trust it, you need accurate information put into ODK line as it goes across. It's not that our staff is lazy at all, the issue is that there's only 5 of us. And I would only trust 3/5 to input the correct info into formation, play, defensive front, etc. There's just not enough hours in the day it seems. |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 14, 2016 8:02:35 GMT -6
Got an email the other day from HUDL's guy in our state stating that he-they will now do complete breakdowns for a fee. I didn't know it ever cost money to do a breakdown? To my knowledge the breakdowns have always been free, or maybe that's just on our account. In order to get the most out of the breakdown and to trust it, you need accurate information put into ODK line as it goes across. It's not that our staff is lazy at all, the issue is that there's only 5 of us. And I would only trust 3/5 to input the correct info into formation, play, defensive front, etc. There's just not enough hours in the day it seems. The OP isn't talking about the breakdown reports. He's talking about inputting the data. If hudl did that for free they'd go out of business. |
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Post by coachpech on Oct 14, 2016 8:11:40 GMT -6
I didn't know it ever cost money to do a breakdown? To my knowledge the breakdowns have always been free, or maybe that's just on our account. In order to get the most out of the breakdown and to trust it, you need accurate information put into ODK line as it goes across. It's not that our staff is lazy at all, the issue is that there's only 5 of us. And I would only trust 3/5 to input the correct info into formation, play, defensive front, etc. There's just not enough hours in the day it seems. The OP isn't talking about the breakdown reports. He's talking about inputting the data. If hudl did that for free they'd go out of business. I can't imagine they would take the time to input every single teams data for free. The videos they post weekly of teams/athletes often struggle to contain the right information the way it is. We had a 79 yard kick return for td this week, hudl had it listed at 60 yards. |
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Post by theyoungballcoach on Oct 14, 2016 8:46:34 GMT -6
find a skinny nerdy boy who loves sports in your class, have him do it Some columns anyone with some football knowledge can tag, but if you're going to tag everything like the play, formation, front, coverage, etc. A knowledgeable coach has to do it. You don't want to call a formation twins one week, then tag it slot the next week because it will screw up the data. Keeping everything uniform is difficult if you have amateurs doing it. Coaches need to do the real stuff. But you can have one amateur do ODK, Hash, and Run/Pass. Have another do Down, Distance, YL, and Gain Loss. I can usually do the second part in like 10-15 min for a game. All you do is put the YL in over and over and it fills in the rest. Just have to pay attention to change of possession. It's easier than you think because once in conference half the games are already done and you just have to flip them from week to week. |
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Post by natenator on Oct 14, 2016 9:16:32 GMT -6
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Post by abkillen on Oct 14, 2016 9:30:03 GMT -6
We got Hudl assist this year and it has saved us hours upon hours on the weekends. You send it to them when you get it and they will have all the information entered in 24 hours or less. We trade on Thursday morning, I send it in immediately and it's back by Thursday afternoon. The package we have includes 30 games, and you can buy more if that isn't enough. I would definitely recommend it !
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Post by johnnycam on Oct 14, 2016 9:38:34 GMT -6
Use Krossover.
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Post by brophy on Oct 14, 2016 9:41:40 GMT -6
find a skinny nerdy boy who loves sports in your class, have him do it Some columns anyone with some football knowledge can tag, but if you're going to tag everything like the play, formation, front, coverage, etc. A knowledgeable coach has to do it. You don't want to call a formation twins one week, then tag it slot the next week because it will screw up the data. Keeping everything uniform is difficult if you have amateurs doing it. which is why you should chart playcalls during the game ...either from the box or a JV player doing it on the sideline with a clipboard. All you need is a table with play sequence # and a spot for the play call. If you can get them to chart D&D, even better. Of course its made even simpler if your playcalls are on a wristband. PLAY1 - h1 PLAY2 - r13 PLAY3 - R2 PLAY99 - L7 h1 on the wristband is "ace left - Y cross" r13 on the wristband is "trips right - 38 stretch"....etc When Friday night/Saturday morning comes to chart in HUDL, you're just inputting whatever is on the playcall chart sheet. |
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Post by eagles12 on Oct 14, 2016 9:51:12 GMT -6
We got Hudl assist this year and it has saved us hours upon hours on the weekends. You send it to them when you get it and they will have all the information entered in 24 hours or less. We trade on Thursday morning, I send it in immediately and it's back by Thursday afternoon. The package we have includes 30 games, and you can buy more if that isn't enough. I would definitely recommend it ! We use this as well and it is fantastic. We really like using it for scout films as well. Of course we still input formation, play name, motion, but having everything else done is a nice luxury. However, a staff with a good system- like spos21ram suggests- can get it done easily enough without paying for it. |
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Post by **** on Oct 14, 2016 9:54:10 GMT -6
I do everything. The only person on staff I would trust to input data is the HC and he is busy running/preparing the offense and half the special teams. He hired me to be the DC / SP teams coordinator.
Anytime one of my position coaches do anything on Hudl they phuk it all up and I have to go back and fix it.
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Post by PSS on Oct 14, 2016 10:07:48 GMT -6
I do everything. The only person on staff I would trust to input data is the HC and he is busy running/preparing the offense and half the special teams. He hired me to be the DC / SP teams coordinator. Anytime one of my position coaches do anything on Hudl they phuk it all up and I have to go back and fix it. HOW HARD IS IT TO ODK!?!??!?! I was exactly that way when I was a DC. You are correct, you spend more time correcting their mistakes than it takes to actually put in the data. I get frustrated on the weekends when our JH coaches don't tag the special teams in "Play Type". But I agree, ODK and putting in the obvious information is the easiest and less time consuming. I could think of more useful ways to spend money. |
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Post by **** on Oct 14, 2016 10:27:39 GMT -6
I do everything. The only person on staff I would trust to input data is the HC and he is busy running/preparing the offense and half the special teams. He hired me to be the DC / SP teams coordinator. Anytime one of my position coaches do anything on Hudl they phuk it all up and I have to go back and fix it. HOW HARD IS IT TO ODK!?!??!?! I was exactly that way when I was a DC. You are correct, you spend more time correcting their mistakes than it takes to actually put in the data. I get frustrated on the weekends when our JH coaches don't tag the special teams in "Play Type". But I agree, ODK and putting in the obvious information is the easiest and less time consuming. I could think of more useful ways to spend money. Some day I'll get to be a communist again and I won't have to spend days trying to prepare for a team. |
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Post by rudyrude9 on Oct 14, 2016 10:34:23 GMT -6
This is a sad thread
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 14, 2016 10:43:00 GMT -6
So basically what I've read is that a bunch of people in here don't like watching film, nor breaking it down, yet on other threads the same people are tired of finishing .500 or less every year.
Lets put 2 and 2 together here...
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Post by blb on Oct 14, 2016 10:50:33 GMT -6
So basically what I've read is that a bunch of people in here don't like watching film, nor breaking it down, yet on other threads the same people are tired of finishing .500 or less every year. Lets put 2 and 2 together here...
Only the OP said anything about not liking watching "hours and hours of film," and I don't recall seeing his team's record posted anywhere.
Also watching film is not the same as inputting data from the game.
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Post by 33coach on Oct 14, 2016 11:02:22 GMT -6
send me your game tape - ill do it for $45 a quarter  |
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 14, 2016 11:04:14 GMT -6
So basically what I've read is that a bunch of people in here don't like watching film, nor breaking it down, yet on other threads the same people are tired of finishing .500 or less every year. Lets put 2 and 2 together here...
Only the OP said anything about not liking watching "hours and hours of film," and I don't recall seeing his team's record posted anywhere.
Also watching film is not the same as inputting data from the game.
I understand where wisco is coming from though. It's a matter of attention to detail. We never tagged data before this year. We didn't even have hudl until 2 years ago. Our new HC is a Hudl Whoooer. We film and tag everything. It really comes in handy for the scouting reports hudl spits out. We've picked up on some very credible tendencies of our opponents that may not have been caught if we scouted and did reports the "old fashion" way. |
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Post by wiscohscoach on Oct 14, 2016 11:07:29 GMT -6
Only the OP said anything about not liking watching "hours and hours of film," and I don't recall seeing his team's record posted anywhere.
Also watching film is not the same as inputting data from the game.
I understand where wisco is coming from though. It's a matter of attention to detail. We never tagged data before this year. We didn't even have hudl until 2 years ago. Our new HC is a Hudl Whoooer. We film and tag everything. It really comes in handy for the scouting reports hudl spits out. We've picked up on some very credible tendencies of our opponents that may not have been caught if we scouted and did reports the "old fashion" way. This. If you listen to any great coach, no detail is too important to gloss over. By not breaking down your film and tagging it, you may yourself miss tendencies that your team/other teams have. Not wanting to bag on how anyone does it, our way is not perfect in any sense either. But if teams want to be great, the little things have to be done correct as well, and this is one of them. |
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 14, 2016 12:06:01 GMT -6
I'd be good with someone else doing D&D, gain, hash, yard line. I'm to OCD to have somebody else do formations, backfields, motions, and play names.
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Post by SconnieOC on Oct 14, 2016 12:13:05 GMT -6
I understand where wisco is coming from though. It's a matter of attention to detail. We never tagged data before this year. We didn't even have hudl until 2 years ago. Our new HC is a Hudl Whoooer. We film and tag everything. It really comes in handy for the scouting reports hudl spits out. We've picked up on some very credible tendencies of our opponents that may not have been caught if we scouted and did reports the "old fashion" way. This. If you listen to any great coach, no detail is too important to gloss over. By not breaking down your film and tagging it, you may yourself miss tendencies that your team/other teams have. Not wanting to bag on how anyone does it, our way is not perfect in any sense either. But if teams want to be great, the little things have to be done correct as well, and this is one of them. I think if you're paying someone to do it, there is a reasonable expectation of quality. They're just doing ODK, D/D, Hash, Run/Pass and maybe 1 or 2 other pretty non-detailed fields. If you have a small staff with not a lot of time, and your budget supports it.. why not? If you've got a 5/6 man staff, all with families, and you can get rid of 3-4 hours of just data entry to spend with your kids.. makes sense to me. The staff still has to do formations and whatever else you put in there but it's less time. I would assume you'd still watch every play of every game 3-4 times as you normally would, but it would free up a little time. We don't do it because our staff is equipped enough to handle the load but there are some clear advantages to this. |
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