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Post by fantom on Sept 15, 2016 13:08:46 GMT -6
I understand that a lot of players are on scout team for a reason. I understand that they may be physically overmatched or make a mistake but yesterday we had a kid who really did it up right.
He's nominally a tight end and was playing that position on the scout offense. The first play was Power, which the opponent runs exactly the same way that we do. We had 8x11 scout cards which clearly showed that he was supposed to block out on the OLB instead of the 6 tech. The whole point of running the play was to see the 6 tech spill.
Of course, he blocked the 6 tech. We lined up again (Because we REALLY wanted to see the spill), pulled the kid aside, showed him the card again, and told him exactly who to block. Naturally, he again blocked the 6 tech. We move on.
Later, when the second defense was in, we moved the kid to tackle on the scout offense. Again, we started with Power and showed him the card. Instead of doubling the 3 tech, AGAIN he blocked the 6 tech.
Like I said, there's a reason he's on scout team.
That is all.
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Post by **** on Sept 15, 2016 13:11:12 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic.
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Post by blb on Sept 15, 2016 13:17:08 GMT -6
I understand that a lot of players are on scout team for a reason. I understand that they may be physically overmatched or make a mistake but yesterday we had a kid who really did it up right. He's nominally a tight end and was playing that position on the scout offense. The first play was Power, which the opponent runs exactly the same way that we do. We had 8x11 scout cards which clearly showed that he was supposed to block out on the OLB instead of the 6 tech. The whole point of running the play was to see the 6 tech spill. Of course, he blocked the 6 tech. We lined up again (Because we REALLY wanted to see the spill), pulled the kid aside, showed him the card again, and told him exactly who to block. Naturally, he again blocked the 6 tech. We move on. Later, when the second defense was in, we moved the kid to tackle on the scout offense. Again, we started with Power and showed him the card. Instead of doubling the 3 tech, AGAIN he blocked the 6 tech. Like I said, there's a reason he's on scout team. That is all.
He must really like the match-up with that 6 technique.
Probably thinks you guys are bad coaches for asking him to do anything else on Power.
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Post by PSS on Sept 15, 2016 13:31:09 GMT -6
This week we play a team that runs a lot of unbalanced formations, tackle over. Had the 8x11 scout cards and even labeled the offensive line. However, our poor scout line could not get it right. We finally had to run good on good to get the correct picture.
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Post by CS on Sept 15, 2016 13:40:09 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. Which is why I went to teaching back reads instead of just line reads |
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 15, 2016 13:47:28 GMT -6
We do our best to run good on good at all times, mixing up some back ups here and there so they aren't just standing around. The problem is even the starters will kind of check out on you at times because they just don't take scout seriously. Trying to get them to understand how and why a good look from scout is so valuable.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 15, 2016 13:53:16 GMT -6
I picked up the scout look by playing QB. I was damn near groomed to be a scout QB. I rally the scout troops. Draw my own cards. etc. I made a kid captain because of his scout team work. Ownership.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 15, 2016 13:58:41 GMT -6
We signal in our plays and want to throat punch the kids "stealing" signals to look like a bad boy on scout. Dude we have seen you play against others, you aren't good, now give us a look.
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Post by coachcb on Sept 15, 2016 14:32:34 GMT -6
We had a scout team safety once that struggled to play the curl-flat in Cover 3, whether he was practicing our defensive scheme or working on the scout team.. Sometimes his drop would end up next to the sideline.. Sometimes he'd end up right on top of the tackle.. It didn't matter how much we coached him: he'd continually screw it up.
I pulled him aside one day and said, "____, you're either not very coachable or you're ADD, I can't figure out which.."
His response:
"It's neither coach.. I'm just duumb as sh-t!" He smiled, laughed and went right back to phucking up those drops..
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Post by realdawg on Sept 15, 2016 16:17:36 GMT -6
Scout team sucks. Can't ever get a look. I draw up belly. I spend two hours a week drawing up cards with the correct blocking scheme. Two days ago the scout team ran belly (down) at us 3 times. Blocked the 6 our opponent will be kicking out every time.
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Post by wiscoach on Sept 15, 2016 17:35:58 GMT -6
This week was the first week we did no scout and it was the best week of practice we've ever had. We're now thinking of doing scout o and D on Mondays after film without pads. And maybe for a bit during Thursday walkthrough
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Post by bignose on Sept 15, 2016 17:51:20 GMT -6
You have it all wrong.
Scout team represents the biggest challenge that you have as a coach!
The better look your scout team gives, the better the defense can respond.
The ability to motivate the bag holders, and knuckleheads is huge ( I used to bribe them with pizza-score a TD on the starters, and if we win-pizza after Monday's practice).
Some kids are not visual learners, the cards are useless.
In the huddle you gotta say:"Jack, block Mike over on the other side." He may not know what a 3 tech is, but he knows who Mike is. LOL. (And the reality is: Some kids are D.T.D.S.-Dumber than Dog $hit, and will never get it. That's why there is a sideline and a bench there.)
For several years we had two Single Wing Teams on the schedule, running the Spinner Series, very hard to simulate in Scout.
I used to color code each back and their path on the play sheets: "Fred, you're the Blue guy, Ken, you're the Green guy, Elmer, you're the Red guy. Center, snap it to John."
I would take my scout backfield out 15 minutes early while the staters where doing film study to walk thru this.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 15, 2016 20:19:19 GMT -6
This is a song that our state championship QB made up. He also had to be scout qb.
Where do we go,
We don't know,
Why don't we know,
Cause we're scout O. Scout O
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Post by dytmook on Sept 15, 2016 21:17:42 GMT -6
Our starter does some scout team reps...the look of disgust he gives them at times is hilarious.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 16, 2016 7:06:55 GMT -6
It's sad how many kids can't read a picture. We just tried scouting an old-school I offense on Wednesday (played them yesterday) and we couldn't get a look. They got in their stances and ran back to read the diagram as the QB said his cadence
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Post by coachks on Sept 16, 2016 9:40:13 GMT -6
Scout O is bad, as a rule....
but JV scout O? That is torture. That is the sort of thing to make someone hang up the whistle. Our staff coaches both teams, so when we are JV defense I'm with D along with our DL coach. I draw up nice cards - big spacing on a manilla envelope - different blocks are color coded, ball carrier is color coded. Name of the play is on the top of the card. I'll write little notes (Motion is behind QB ect...), label the depth for passing routes. I'll even get in the Huddle and tell them the name of the person to block. We get a o.k. look on Varsity....
That JV crew though.... I had to end the session early one day last week so I didn't go batsh*t crazy on some poor scout teamer "Johnny, what did the card say"... "pull right"...."why didn't you pull?" .... *mouth-breathing, shrug, head drop*.... "Ok, lets run it again. This time pull and block so and so" .... "ok".... "You didn't pull?!?!?!?!" .... Repeat 15 times with 10 different kids.
Where did the card say to lineup? "I don't know".... what position are you playing ... "Tight End".... so where is the one labeled "TE".... "oh"....player goes to lineup..... on the wrong side.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 16, 2016 9:52:17 GMT -6
I always thought I could make money hand over fist if I picked up some old equipment and put together a scout team of recent high school grads that still want to play football, hire them out to teams as the scouts for the week. Just send us your hudl and we'll show up ready to roll on Monday.
I figure it's a pipe dream, just the liability issues would be a nightmare, but man scout team sucks
we had a kid here recently tell us that the doctor told him he was cleared to play but not to do any scout team.....sweet doctor dude
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Post by 33coach on Sept 16, 2016 10:05:29 GMT -6
This is a song that our state championship QB made up. He also had to be scout qb. Where do we go, We don't know, Why don't we know, Cause we're scout O. Scout O the battle cry of scout O! this year it was deterrmined by our HC that the coordinators were also going to coordinate Scout teams (so im scout O and OC)..... i try and make my scout O better by having my starting OL on it. that forces my backers to get good reads - and typically means a few of my second team DL are getting reps, against a good OL (well, as good as we got....) then its all about matching up the opponents scheme to our terminology so they know what to do - its quite fun to try to get Delaware terminology to match backfield actions and formations of the more conventional systems. |
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Post by tabs52 on Sept 16, 2016 10:10:23 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. We were running into the same problem, especially with our d line and lb's never really could play trap well because never had a chance to see it work in practice. This week we made a change in how we practice, instead of doing a full team session, we sent the dline to work on dline stuff and kept the shells to work run game. What we did was put extra skills guys in to run their schemes at full speed. This way we could get a good look at pass sets and trap etc..... |
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Post by coachorm on Sept 16, 2016 10:22:50 GMT -6
My favorite is trying to get a kid to line up at Wing... they never get it right and look at you like you created a new position that very moment. Even when you tell them one yard behind and one yard outside the OT.
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Post by blb on Sept 16, 2016 10:31:57 GMT -6
My favorite is trying to get a kid to line up at Wing... they never get it right and look at you like you created a new position that very moment. Even when you tell them one yard behind and one yard outside the OT.
Maybe that's because a Wing lines up 1x1 off a TE, not OT.
He might know it's a SLOT that lines up 1x1 off OT.
You're confusing the poor kid.
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Post by coachorm on Sept 16, 2016 11:07:46 GMT -6
My favorite is trying to get a kid to line up at Wing... they never get it right and look at you like you created a new position that very moment. Even when you tell them one yard behind and one yard outside the OT.
Maybe that's because a Wing lines up 1x1 off a TE, not OT.
He might know it's a SLOT that lines up 1x1 off OT.
You're confusing the poor kid.
Maybe that's just a regional difference in terminology. We call it a wing if he is 1x1 off the TE or OT. we call it a slot when he splits out. But I can see your point. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 16, 2016 15:11:10 GMT -6
Maybe that's because a Wing lines up 1x1 off a TE, not OT.
He might know it's a SLOT that lines up 1x1 off OT.
You're confusing the poor kid.
Maybe that's just a regional difference in terminology. We call it a wing if he is 1x1 off the TE or OT. we call it a slot when he splits out. But I can see your point. Just tell blb to stick it. Lol. He is just yanking your chain. He is the biggest guy on here always saying there is no universal terminology in football. Unless I have him confused. I will turn the floor back over to blb. |
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 16, 2016 16:10:10 GMT -6
Scout O is bad, as a rule.... but JV scout O? That is torture. That is the sort of thing to make someone hang up the whistle. Our staff coaches both teams, so when we are JV defense I'm with D along with our DL coach. I draw up nice cards - big spacing on a manilla envelope - different blocks are color coded, ball carrier is color coded. Name of the play is on the top of the card. I'll write little notes (Motion is behind QB ect...), label the depth for passing routes. I'll even get in the Huddle and tell them the name of the person to block. We get a o.k. look on Varsity.... That JV crew though.... I had to end the session early one day last week so I didn't go batsh*t crazy on some poor scout teamer "Johnny, what did the card say"... "pull right"...."why didn't you pull?" .... *mouth-breathing, shrug, head drop*.... "Ok, lets run it again. This time pull and block so and so" .... "ok".... "You didn't pull?!?!?!?!" .... Repeat 15 times with 10 different kids. Where did the card say to lineup? "I don't know".... what position are you playing ... "Tight End".... so where is the one labeled "TE".... "oh"....player goes to lineup..... on the wrong side. Middle School is this on steroids |
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 16, 2016 20:00:47 GMT -6
Straight up, I am the greatest Scout OC in football history. I had our guys believing we could go barnstorming and win.
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Post by morris on Sept 16, 2016 21:54:31 GMT -6
Scout O is bad, as a rule.... but JV scout O? That is torture. That is the sort of thing to make someone hang up the whistle. Our staff coaches both teams, so when we are JV defense I'm with D along with our DL coach. I draw up nice cards - big spacing on a manilla envelope - different blocks are color coded, ball carrier is color coded. Name of the play is on the top of the card. I'll write little notes (Motion is behind QB ect...), label the depth for passing routes. I'll even get in the Huddle and tell them the name of the person to block. We get a o.k. look on Varsity.... That JV crew though.... I had to end the session early one day last week so I didn't go batsh*t crazy on some poor scout teamer "Johnny, what did the card say"... "pull right"...."why didn't you pull?" .... *mouth-breathing, shrug, head drop*.... "Ok, lets run it again. This time pull and block so and so" .... "ok".... "You didn't pull?!?!?!?!" .... Repeat 15 times with 10 different kids. Where did the card say to lineup? "I don't know".... what position are you playing ... "Tight End".... so where is the one labeled "TE".... "oh"....player goes to lineup..... on the wrong side. Middle School is this on steroids It's worse than steroids. We do the DL away from the lettuce eaters and run scout O with tires (6 vs 8). Just working reads and run fits. All gap scheme stuff is worked in Indy for the most part. 4 of our 8 opponents run the wing-t. They still screw up belly and belly counter. Those kids make me punish my liver. |
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Post by CS on Sept 17, 2016 6:24:21 GMT -6
Middle School is this on steroids It's worse than steroids. We do the DL away from the lettuce eaters and run scout O with tires (6 vs 8). Just working reads and run fits. All gap scheme stuff is worked in Indy for the most part. 4 of our 8 opponents run the wing-t. They still screw up belly and belly counter. Those kids make me punish my liver. Never heard lettuce eaters. We call them biscuit eaters, booger eaters, mouth breathers, and bus farters. |
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 17, 2016 7:48:33 GMT -6
Middle School is this on steroids It's worse than steroids. We do the DL away from the lettuce eaters and run scout O with tires (6 vs 8). Just working reads and run fits. All gap scheme stuff is worked in Indy for the most part. 4 of our 8 opponents run the wing-t. They still screw up belly and belly counter. Those kids make me punish my liver. We haven't done team defense since the second week of fall practice. No use in it. We do 5 on 3 with OL/DL, and key reads/gap fits with everybody else on trash cans. Offensively we do any team vs dummies, but seem to get decent mileage out of half line. |
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2016 9:07:03 GMT -6
It's worse than steroids. We do the DL away from the lettuce eaters and run scout O with tires (6 vs 8). Just working reads and run fits. All gap scheme stuff is worked in Indy for the most part. 4 of our 8 opponents run the wing-t. They still screw up belly and belly counter. Those kids make me punish my liver. Never heard lettuce eaters. We call them biscuit eaters, booger eaters, mouth breathers, and bus farters. There's no universal terminology in football. |
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 20, 2016 1:30:52 GMT -6
We had the wing problem today.
We also had the blocking out when supposed to be blocking down problem.
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