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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 20, 2016 5:49:10 GMT -6
Scout O is the bane of my existence...immediately followed by Scout D. I am always partial to scout offenses that use a coach as a QB and said QB talks trash the entire session. Second favorite is when the Scout D runs a defense entirely different than what you are preparing for or LBs just decide to blitz for fun. Thirdly I love scout team all-americans! Best part of the job
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 21, 2016 10:34:45 GMT -6
i pulled a @dcohio yesterday and told the scout OL that I could put 5 gaterade bottles out there on the field and be just as effective....
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Post by fantom on Sept 21, 2016 11:25:11 GMT -6
Second favorite is when the Scout D runs a defense entirely different than what you are preparing for or LBs just decide to blitz for fun. How does that happen?
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Post by coachpech on Sept 21, 2016 14:30:17 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. Boy did this strike home. I literally have to get my dline coach and myself to jump in and play oline at times. Otherwise our Dline gets absolutely no look at all and our scout team qb will never get the ball away.
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Post by carookie on Sept 21, 2016 15:05:20 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. Boy did this strike home. I literally have to get my dline coach and myself to jump in and play oline at times. Otherwise our Dline gets absolutely no look at all and our scout team qb will never get the ball away. It is because of this, that I sometimes have my DL just stand and hold bags for a play or two. And tell the scout Oline that they will not get hit back, so go all out.
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Post by **** on Sept 21, 2016 16:43:06 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. Boy did this strike home. I literally have to get my dline coach and myself to jump in and play oline at times. Otherwise our Dline gets absolutely no look at all and our scout team qb will never get the ball away. I play FS or ILB on a regular basis for scout defense to give the offense a look. #SmallSchoolLife
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Post by coachpech on Sept 21, 2016 18:44:57 GMT -6
Boy did this strike home. I literally have to get my dline coach and myself to jump in and play oline at times. Otherwise our Dline gets absolutely no look at all and our scout team qb will never get the ball away. It is because of this, that I sometimes have my DL just stand and hold bags for a play or two. And tell the scout Oline that they will not get hit back, so go all out. What's the point of that? Some effort is better than no effort.
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 21, 2016 19:02:11 GMT -6
I started a deal last year I carried over that helps a lot. Nobody can come onto the varsity defense unless they are on the Scout O. You want on D, go give us a look on O. You suck something awful at reading cards, and I fire you from scout O, don't bother coming onto D (that has helped with my #2's no going hard on scout)
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Post by carookie on Sept 21, 2016 19:46:54 GMT -6
It is because of this, that I sometimes have my DL just stand and hold bags for a play or two. And tell the scout Oline that they will not get hit back, so go all out. What's the point of that? Some effort is better than no effort. I am telling my Starting defensive line not to move, and allowing the Scout O line to freely block them. This way the LBs can see what it looks like when an olinemen doubles to vault, and get a feel of how things will be when a play actually develops. It is akin to telling a D-Lineman to let the QB throw even though they would have already sacked him.
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 21, 2016 19:58:43 GMT -6
We did this last year. Blow whistle, OL take first 2 blocking steps and fit up. DL stays put. Second whistle, run the play. Gives LB's good reads. And often, no ball for the offense
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Post by 50slantstrong on Sept 28, 2016 12:10:19 GMT -6
I feel your pain. The most frustrated I've ever gotten and the biggest blow ups I've ever had have been a direct byproduct of the scout team. What makes me almost as equally mad is coaches who are "too good" to coach the scout team.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 28, 2016 16:32:34 GMT -6
When I was with a really good program the scout team was loaded with top recruits and all the coaches put tons of effort into scout because that was our future. That way by the time they turn into tomorrow's starters you're not coaching little technical {censored}, they understand the fundamentals and they've learned a lot about the game in general, so it's all reps and gameplanning. And by having coaches involved in scout it made it seem important.
Also, if you have O skelly and D inside run, what is your OL coach doing if not working the scout OL?
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Post by orion320 on Sept 28, 2016 19:12:37 GMT -6
I love when my OLB's can't get a read on any play because the OL can't block down or pass block. They just stand up, super realistic. A few years ago we had a kid who was a great scout team player and I jumped on him one time for not giving our 1st team defense a look because he just stood up. After my little rant he responded, "coach, that is what the kid was doing on film." I didn't believe him so on the next water break I watched a few clips on Hudl and sure as hell, he was right. The kid just stood up. I apologized to the kid and his response...."Coach, the film never lies."
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Post by rosey65 on Sept 29, 2016 6:52:34 GMT -6
Scout O is the bane of my existence...immediately followed by Scout D. I am always partial to scout offenses that use a coach as a QB and said QB talks trash the entire session. Second favorite is when the Scout D runs a defense entirely different than what you are preparing for or LBs just decide to blitz for fun. Thirdly I love scout team all-americans! Best part of the job The DC draws the cards for scout O. *We'll have 12/13 players on the cards at times... *players scribbled out... *motions redrawn different paths... *and sometimes a scripted order of plays we have to follow---while facing a corresponding defensive alignment and blitz for the play. This is my favorite! When we are lucky, we'll get a scheme that is similar to ours. We make our calls, run our blocking schemes, run variations taking advantage of how the defense is aligned, and thoroughly beat the 1st D's @$$. The DC completely loses his mind on the defense, blows his top screaming. THAT is the scout teams (consisting of mostly starters anyways...) motivation. It is hysterical how angry the DC gets. Scout O, and O coaches, cant stop giggling when he's rampaging.
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 29, 2016 7:22:20 GMT -6
We try to run our stuff as much as we can on both sides of the ball so the guys are learning as well. It's hard for the first couple of weeks to get them to understand that we're running our stuff so you can get better. We'll card it up when we have crap like both guards pulling opposite ways or something goofy.
The DC and I have really taken it on ourselves to help each other out. We have decent (Fresh faced) staff with us who get a lot of the cards ready, and organize formations, but we have turned it into a competition into who's scout team can get after the other one the most. When our scout guys make a play we go nuts. It's been pretty cool to see everyone start to buy into scout team now. We even have 1's who run in and get after it a bit. Our RT for example rarely gets to go against our best DE in practice so he goes in for scout team so he can challenge himself and the other guy. It's a great scout culture to be a part of.
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Post by rosey65 on Sept 29, 2016 7:28:19 GMT -6
We platoon, so we have at least 1 coach per position. Whether it is scout or the 1's, we are always with our position, coaching our players. My above rant aside, I am also part of a very good scout culture. It isn't perfect, and rarely smooth, but it is definitely effective.
While we often rotate "Scout OC" duties (1st to touch the cards has to run that chit!!) myself or the other OL coach are usually the ones in charge, since we are spelling out and communicating the blocking assignments anyways. Even if I'm not running scout, I'm in the huddle, looking at the cards, helping to translate the chicken-scratch of a play
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 29, 2016 7:29:07 GMT -6
I am always partial to scout offenses that use a coach as a QB and said QB talks trash the entire session. I'll admit I've Uncle Rico'd a few scout team offenses in my day.
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Post by fantom on Sept 29, 2016 7:32:08 GMT -6
We try to run our stuff as much as we can on both sides of the ball so the guys are learning as well. It's hard for the first couple of weeks to get them to understand that we're running our stuff so you can get better. We'll card it up when we have crap like both guards pulling opposite ways or something goofy. The DC and I have really taken it on ourselves to help each other out. We have decent (Fresh faced) staff with us who get a lot of the cards ready, and organize formations, but we have turned it into a competition into who's scout team can get after the other one the most. When our scout guys make a play we go nuts. It's been pretty cool to see everyone start to buy into scout team now. We even have 1's who run in and get after it a bit. Our RT for example rarely gets to go against our best DE in practice so he goes in for scout team so he can challenge himself and the other guy. It's a great scout culture to be a part of. That's great but, as a DC, how do you run your own offense when you're preparing for an opponent that runs a completely different offense? If you're a spread team, how does that get you ready for double tight double wing?
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Post by SconnieOC on Sept 29, 2016 7:57:56 GMT -6
We try to run our stuff as much as we can on both sides of the ball so the guys are learning as well. It's hard for the first couple of weeks to get them to understand that we're running our stuff so you can get better. We'll card it up when we have crap like both guards pulling opposite ways or something goofy. The DC and I have really taken it on ourselves to help each other out. We have decent (Fresh faced) staff with us who get a lot of the cards ready, and organize formations, but we have turned it into a competition into who's scout team can get after the other one the most. When our scout guys make a play we go nuts. It's been pretty cool to see everyone start to buy into scout team now. We even have 1's who run in and get after it a bit. Our RT for example rarely gets to go against our best DE in practice so he goes in for scout team so he can challenge himself and the other guy. It's a great scout culture to be a part of. That's great but, as a DC, how do you run your own offense when you're preparing for an opponent that runs a completely different offense? If you're a spread team, how does that get you ready for double tight double wing? So As the OC, I meet with the DC on Monday morning to figure out what the defense that we're playing that week does that our defense can do. For me, I'm not super picky about every little detail.. as long as the front is close, and the coverages look similar. Early in my career, I was picky about every tiny little detail the scout team did.. then I realized it doesn't matter.. because that safety in the game might be 2 yds closer to the box than I thought he would be, and we have to adjust anyway. Defense does the same thing. I meet with him, figure out as much stuff that we can do that they're going to see, and script what they need. This week we play a fly sweep team so it's very different than what we do. We carded up pretty much everything this week. But we spend a good chunk of time working together to try and give each other the look closest to what our guys know. The more we can do similar stuff, the better the look will be.
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Post by pvogel on Sept 29, 2016 8:07:09 GMT -6
We signal in our plays and want to throat punch the kids "stealing" signals to look like a bad boy on scout. Dude we have seen you play against others, you aren't good, now give us a look. For real. Our screens work waaaaay better in games for some reason. So does our "kill" audible and snap count variations... haha.
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Post by pvogel on Sept 29, 2016 8:09:57 GMT -6
My biggest complaint is when our Scout D seems to be illiterate. The scout cards are drawn using our positions just moved to where I need them. I call them the "stud" and "whip" and whatever the fudge they normally are and no letters are the same. Yet they cant seem to follow that letter. Their letter. Or when the card tells the DE to "Play RB" and he keeps running upfield as our qb just gives it... drives me off the flippin wall.
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Post by PSS on Sept 29, 2016 8:10:53 GMT -6
We have simplified the way we do cards / scout offense. It has made our lives much easier and less stressful.
On the cards each skill player has a certain color; red, orange, black, blue, and green.
We have a strip of indoor/outdoor carpet that we have sectioned off by position for the OL, and Color for the Skill. The OL stands on their position and the skill stand on their color, coach holds up the scout card and everyone instantly knows where to line up and what to do.
This week we ran two huddles using our JV and our best varsity left overs in order to simulate a tempo offense. Yesterday, a Wednesday practice, we were able to get an unbelievable amount of plays in during our team session.
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Post by JVD on Sept 29, 2016 8:35:16 GMT -6
I picked up the scout look by playing QB. I was damn near groomed to be a scout QB. I rally the scout troops. Draw my own cards. etc. I made a kid captain because of his scout team work. Ownership. I run the scout team too. I treat it like the super-bowl. I go BALLISTIC when my defense breaks down and the scout team makes a big play. The scout team likes that....until the next 5 plays in a row when they get burried..... (Perfect) At practice after our last game I gave the scout team HUGE props.... I told them that THEY ran the opponents offence better than they did.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 29, 2016 8:59:44 GMT -6
We have simplified the way we do cards / scout offense. It has made our lives much easier and less stressful. On the cards each skill player has a certain color; red, orange, black, blue, and green. We have a strip of indoor/outdoor carpet that we have sectioned off by position for the OL, and Color for the Skill. The OL stands on their position and the skill stand on their color, coach holds up the scout card and everyone instantly knows where to line up and what to do. This week we ran two huddles using our JV and our best varsity left overs in order to simulate a tempo offense. Yesterday, a Wednesday practice, we were able to get an unbelievable amount of plays in during our team session. Great idea! Early this year we were able to run three huddles for one scout team. One coach took the 5 lineman. I took the left receivers and qb and rb. The other coach took the right receivers. It made us a TON more efficient!!
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Post by fantom on Sept 29, 2016 9:25:29 GMT -6
That's great but, as a DC, how do you run your own offense when you're preparing for an opponent that runs a completely different offense? If you're a spread team, how does that get you ready for double tight double wing? So As the OC, I meet with the DC on Monday morning to figure out what the defense that we're playing that week does that our defense can do. For me, I'm not super picky about every little detail.. as long as the front is close, and the coverages look similar. Early in my career, I was picky about every tiny little detail the scout team did.. then I realized it doesn't matter.. because that safety in the game might be 2 yds closer to the box than I thought he would be, and we have to adjust anyway. Defense does the same thing. I meet with him, figure out as much stuff that we can do that they're going to see, and script what they need. This week we play a fly sweep team so it's very different than what we do. We carded up pretty much everything this week. But we spend a good chunk of time working together to try and give each other the look closest to what our guys know. The more we can do similar stuff, the better the look will be. Thanks for clarifying it. Until then I was afraid that it would have justified every slappy who wants to go out and wing it every day. Glad to hear that that's not you. I love it when team sessions are competitive. It makes practice more fun which makes for better practices. Yesterday, the 3 tech was a soph who is physically talented enough but lacks the discipline to play regularly. He jumps into the wrong gap and runs upfield like he's wearing a "Trap me" sign. That makes him a poor varsity DT but a great scout teamer. He also talks a loot of $hit. On pass plays he was driving our OL nuts. Then we called Power, where the guard and tackle double the 3 tech, giving them the chance to drive him through the end zone, which they promptly did. It was fun.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Oct 7, 2016 11:44:05 GMT -6
It's worse than steroids. We do the DL away from the lettuce eaters and run scout O with tires (6 vs 8). Just working reads and run fits. All gap scheme stuff is worked in Indy for the most part. 4 of our 8 opponents run the wing-t. They still screw up belly and belly counter. Those kids make me punish my liver. Never heard lettuce eaters. We call them biscuit eaters, booger eaters, mouth breathers, and bus farters. We call them , mullet heads, ROYS Rest Of Yalls Or bus rider steak eater Chicken fry
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