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Post by nltdiego on Aug 13, 2016 9:03:17 GMT -6
Do you guys do a AM practice after games on Friday nights?
What are pros and cons?
Thanks
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Post by fantom on Aug 13, 2016 9:18:06 GMT -6
We haven't. We haven't done it because we want to give the kids and coaches time off plus the fact that we want to have time to watch the film before we watch with the players. Staying up and watching that night after the game ain't happening. I'm old and need my sleep to preserve my youthful visage.
A new coach on staff told us about a place where they stayed after the game and graded the film as a staff all night. If the boss said that we're going to do that the answer will be "We, Kimo-Sabe?".
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2016 10:29:31 GMT -6
We do. Usually at 9am. We come in and cleanup field house because we don't after games. We do our warmup. 1-2 minutes. Jog around field 1 time. Come back into field house and watch the film together. We also have chik-fil-a biscuits and krispy kream donuts and milk and oj. Usually done by 1015-1030am. Kids seem to enjoy it. We never practice on Sunday.
I don't sweat it if a kid misses as long as it is excused beforehand. They owe us a 100 yard bear crawl Monday if they miss for any reason. Also, I will have already ODK'd film and at least put in offensive play names. Just a cursory watching. I don't care if the coaches have watched already or not. But most of them already have because of Hudl. We can watch with team. We just tell them like it is.
Reasons: 1) Check on injuries 2) Find out about injury you didn't know about 3) Get them rehabbing earlier - Saturday clinic after film 4) Get them moving so they feel better on Mondays 5) Discourage Friday night partying 6) Clean field house 7) Get film done so Monday practice is shorter. Monday is also when jv games are so this helps. 8) We also have a 24 hour rule. Celebrate a win for 24 hours or mourn a loss for 24 hours and then move on to the next opponent. Hard to follow that rule when you wait until Monday to watch film.
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 13, 2016 10:40:22 GMT -6
We currently do the following: 9:30am--Treatment in the training room (our trainer brings food for them every week) 10am--Warm-up and lifting in the weight room 10:30am--Running. 11am--Break
We used to watch film of the game from the night before but, with HUDL we find that they all watch on their own. I know we could do more with the film but we spend time on Monday going over major stuff as a team and by position groups for smaller stuff.
We expect everyone to be there unless they get it excused and they have to make up the conditioning and lifting with a coach.
I met with our seniors and had them vote on whether we would lift on Saturdays the past two years and each time they vote yes. The biggest reason we do it is for our trainer to assess and start rehabbing our kids. That is the difference between players practicing on Monday or losing a day or two to injury.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 13, 2016 10:49:34 GMT -6
We currently do the following: 9:30am--Treatment in the training room (our trainer brings food for them every week) 10am--Warm-up and lifting in the weight room 10:30am--Running. 11am--Break We used to watch film of the game from the night before but, with HUDL we find that they all watch on their own. I know we could do more with the film but we spend time on Monday going over major stuff as a team and by position groups for smaller stuff. We expect everyone to be there unless they get it excused and they have to make up the conditioning and lifting with a coach. I met with our seniors and had them vote on whether we would lift on Saturdays the past two years and each time they vote yes. The biggest reason we do it is for our trainer to assess and start rehabbing our kids. That is the difference between players practicing on Monday or losing a day or two to injury. Y'all don't watch film with the players? We even watch practice film with ours. What is the purpose of conditioning on Saturdays?
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Post by bluboy on Aug 13, 2016 14:01:10 GMT -6
We practice on Saturday after a game. Kids must be in building at 8:30. They go through an hour of lifting or get treatment if needed. After that, anyone who got in for a play Friday night watches video of game(we break team into o-line, skill players, entire defense). Kids are out by 10:30 or 11; coaches are out by 11:30. We like it because it keeps our kids from doing some stupid things after a game and it helps them get ready for Monday. Very rarely do have a kid come in on Monday and say that he is still sore/injured from last game. Parents really love it,always ask us if we can make football an all-year sport.
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 13, 2016 14:23:16 GMT -6
We did at my last school. Coaches would get in between 6:30 and 7:00 am to go through the film together. Kids would get there around 8:00 and get some conditioning in and a lift and then we would do film.
It sucked balls. I was tired from the night before, it killed pretty much half of Saturday, and we still had an offensive coaches meeting at 5:30 am Monday morning.
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Post by ahall005 on Aug 13, 2016 14:24:54 GMT -6
We watch film Saturday morning at 7 then run a mile lift and stretch done by 8:30-9
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 13, 2016 14:25:04 GMT -6
We practice on Saturday after a game. Kids must be in building at 8:30. They go through an hour of lifting or get treatment if needed. After that, anyone who got in for a play Friday night watches video of game(we break team into o-line, skill players, entire defense). Kids are out by 10:30 or 11; coaches are out by 11:30. We like it because it keeps our kids from doing some stupid things after a game and it helps them get ready for Monday. Very rarely do have a kid come in on Monday and say that he is still sore/injured from last game. Parents really love it,always ask us if we can make football an all-year sport. Free babysitting service, or a cheap one if you have pay to play. Parents in our community love our youth camp that we do for grades 7-9 the last week of July. $180 gets your kid supervised and outside active from 8-2 for a week. Can't beat it.
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Post by orion320 on Aug 13, 2016 15:34:41 GMT -6
We tend to change it up year to year, it really depends on the type of kids we have. If we have 'good' kids we don't bring them in and monitor if they have watched film on HUDL (hopefully they are watching the right film). If we have the so called 'bad kids' we will bring them in at 8 or 9 AM in order to attempt to curb their Friday festivities. Form Run, Team Run, Film, and Ice Baths. While the OC is watching film with the players the DC breaks down film for upcoming opponent and vice versa.
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Post by teachcoach on Aug 13, 2016 17:37:34 GMT -6
We meet on Saturday. Our Freshman, Soph B and JV all play on Saturday (we are a big school). Get film done with varsity, lift and go home. Obviously some coaches are coaching some are in film. Sunday off.
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 14, 2016 6:18:54 GMT -6
This one seriously depends on your team and type of kids you have. I didn't bring them up at the last school I was HC at but we will bring these kids up this year. My kids need structure and it gives me a chance to feed them two more meals.
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Post by barnes77 on Aug 14, 2016 7:55:15 GMT -6
We do. Usually at 9am. We come in and cleanup field house because we don't after games. We do our warmup. 1-2 minutes. Jog around field 1 time. Come back into field house and watch the film together. We also have chik-fil-a biscuits and krispy kream donuts and milk and oj. Usually done by 1015-1030am. Kids seem to enjoy it. We never practice on Sunday. I don't sweat it if a kid misses as long as it is excused beforehand. They owe us a 100 yard bear crawl Monday if they miss for any reason. Also, I will have already ODK'd film and at least put in offensive play names. Just a cursory watching. I don't care if the coaches have watched already or not. But most of them already have because of Hudl. We can watch with team. We just tell them like it is. Reasons: 1) Check on injuries 2) Find out about injury you didn't know about 3) Get them rehabbing earlier - Saturday clinic after film 4) Get them moving so they feel better on Mondays 5) Discourage Friday night partying 6) Clean field house 7) Get film done so Monday practice is shorter. Monday is also when jv games are so this helps. 8) We also have a 24 hour rule. Celebrate a win for 24 hours or mourn a loss for 24 hours and then move on to the next opponent. Hard to follow that rule when you wait until Monday to watch film. That seems like a great idea, that gives kids more time to bond and forge a better relationship. It also shows ccommitment
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Post by funkfriss on Aug 14, 2016 12:35:10 GMT -6
Nothing on Saturdays
Injured players? Trainer is available in the AM at the physical therapy joint.
Film? HATE watching film Saturday. Never have time to watch it ourselves as coaches and watching the entire tape is generally worthless. You can find at least 3 things wrong on every play but they might not be the most important things that need correcting. Film takes 20 minutes on Monday, no big deal.
Lifting? Why? I have yet to see anything that suggests it helps with recovery.
Keep kids out of trouble Friday night? Really? Does your job keep you from drinking beer or staying up til 2 AM? Didn't think so.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 14, 2016 12:53:41 GMT -6
I hate it.
I need a break from the coaches, the school, the kids
The kids need a break from all those things too. Plus many have jobs, SAT prep, etc.
I spend Sat morning making playlists of the last game, I mark them all up, and share them on Hudl. Then Sunday I dd the same for the next opponent.
Monday instead of lifting we do film sessions. It's about 35 plays long vs watching 3 full games (ours and 2 scout). Lift Tues-Thur.
I need time to drink beers, clean the house, get laid, etc.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 14, 2016 13:51:05 GMT -6
Nothing on Saturdays Injured players? Trainer is available in the AM at the physical therapy joint. Film? HATE watching film Saturday. Never have time to watch it ourselves as coaches and watching the entire tape is generally worthless. You can find at least 3 things wrong on every play but they might not be the most important things that need correcting. Film takes 20 minutes on Monday, no big deal. Lifting? Why? I have yet to see anything that suggests it helps with recovery. Keep kids out of trouble Friday night? Really? Does your job keep you from drinking beer or staying up til 2 AM? Didn't think so. I have zero problem if y'all don't do anything on Saturdays. It isn't my favorite but it helps us and isn't overkill for us. If it was, we wouldn't do it. But I do have some questions to your responses. 1) Never have time to watch yourselves as coaches. Saturday will fix that. We will watch it the first time as coaches and players. Not saying you said this, but it seems to be that coaches feel they have to watch the film as a staff before they can with the players. Why? That is wasting time in my book. 2) You can find at least 3 things wrong on every play. Yep, and we point them all out. Isn't that the point? Have no idea how 20 minutes of film review of your game with the team works. Actually would love to know. I am always looking better ways and time saving. 3) Others said they lift on Saturdays. We don't. I am in agreement with you here. 4) Don't understand what you are trying to say about keeping kids out of trouble and me drinking beer or staying up until 2am. If I can help give kids a reason to go home earlier and not party on Friday nights after a game, then I believe that is a good thing for our team. Keeps them healthier, more rested, out of fights, from drinking and driving, etc. I am not the police and don't try to be the police of their lives, but if I can give them a reason to make good choices, well, I think that is a good thing. Lastly, I just really believe in film. We will spend 30 minutes of many practices watching yesterday's practice. You better believe I am going to make sure we review the game film. I correct everything. First steps, eyes, techniques, everything on every kid.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 14, 2016 13:57:31 GMT -6
I hate it. I need a break from the coaches, the school, the kids The kids need a break from all those things too. Plus many have jobs, SAT prep, etc. I spend Sat morning making playlists of the last game, I mark them all up, and share them on Hudl. Then Sunday I dd the same for the next opponent. Monday instead of lifting we do film sessions. It's about 35 plays long vs watching 3 full games (ours and 2 scout). Lift Tues-Thur. I need time to drink beers, clean the house, get laid, etc. Hating is the second best reason not to do it. And I am serious. Agree kids need a break. Wish we didn't have to do it, but for me it is very important and I think the kids actually like it and definitely like the food and Monday being shorter. Also, nothing worse than dreading all weekend watching the previous film for a coach or player. I want to move on. 35 plays total is from your film and 2 scout? On Tuesdays we will go over the opponents cutup. 20-40 plays of special teams, offense, and defense total sounds about right. I make the opponent games available for everyone as soon as I get them on Saturdays. Do you lift on another day? Getting laid is definitely the best reason not to do it.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 14, 2016 14:40:49 GMT -6
Do you guys do a AM practice after games on Friday nights? What are pros and cons? Thanks my thoughts we do not do it we have tried it in the past but i hate it for several reasons 1. kids and coaches have lives... some have weekend jobs... families go out of town or do things so you are always missing kids anyway 2. quick turnaround doesnt give the kids or coaches much time to rest/recover from the night before 3. Such a quick turnaround means I havent had the chance to watch the film yet... or if i have it is skimming it, no time to analyze and make notes for the kids i hate leading film sessions like this, there isnt much focus, becomes more about oooh and ahhh on big plays/hits and less on praising effort, fixing mistakes, and moving on to the next opponent another thing to consider is we (you and me, being in the same section) have an 18 hour limit for the week your game counts as 3 hours so for the rest of the week you get 15 hours max to practice... weights, chalk talk, film, meetings all count as part of that practice i also do not like watching entire games (whether ourselves or an opponent) with the kids it is way too long for their attention span, they need it broken up into chunks i look at film like eating you can't eat a steak in one bite you have to cut it up into smaller pieces i know there are guys out there who believe in it, and if so then awesome that is great for you i personally look at it as an example where technology has moved faster than us coaches can adapt with it saturday morning film is a thing that "coaches have always done" so they think it is still necessary even though I am not that old (28... going on year 11 coaching) i can still remember the days of making VHS copies, and then DVD copies prior to HUDL taking over... i have always done the film work my first 4 years (at previous school) i had a system of VCRs connected together, i made my own duplicating tower, i would make 4 copies of our game film. 1 to me, 1 to HC, 1 to DC, and one for trade i would meet the next opponent early saturday, trade the film go back to school and make copies of it we dont do this anymore "back then" you HAD to meet saturday morning with your kids/staff because only a handful of copies EXISTED... you needed to get together to watch it together even when DVDs took over for a few years... unless you had a 10x1 tower, you were probably just burning a few copies the information was less readily available, and harder to share, so coming together to see it/show it was a necessity with HUDL, all of OUR film becomes viewable for everyone in the program that night scout film is usually up for them by 9:00 AM saturday morning i have the weekend (usually saturday) to go through both, add the notes i want , the text i want, and i can separate specific things down into a game planning playlist to "cut it up smaller" for them the need to meet together saturday is gone i can GIVE my players/coaches the information when I HAVE TIME and they can access it WHEN THEY HAVE TIME then i can text all my guys saturday/sunday night to make sure they have watched it we then go over the film (playlists, not whole game) monday after the weight room, before we go to the field by this point most of the team has seen what i want them to see AT LEAST once this has worked better for me usually once or twice a year, after an emotional big win, our HC (more "old school" than I) gets that rush from the win and announces to everyone we will watch film in the morning he shows up with donuts, and immediately tells me he regrets calling for film lol he is good for one of those per year after a BIG win
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Post by funkfriss on Aug 14, 2016 14:59:38 GMT -6
Nothing on Saturdays Injured players? Trainer is available in the AM at the physical therapy joint. Film? HATE watching film Saturday. Never have time to watch it ourselves as coaches and watching the entire tape is generally worthless. You can find at least 3 things wrong on every play but they might not be the most important things that need correcting. Film takes 20 minutes on Monday, no big deal. Lifting? Why? I have yet to see anything that suggests it helps with recovery. Keep kids out of trouble Friday night? Really? Does your job keep you from drinking beer or staying up til 2 AM? Didn't think so. I have zero problem if y'all don't do anything on Saturdays. It isn't my favorite but it helps us and isn't overkill for us. If it was, we wouldn't do it. But I do have some questions to your responses. 1) Never have time to watch yourselves as coaches. Saturday will fix that. We will watch it the first time as coaches and players. Not saying you said this, but it seems to be that coaches feel they have to watch the film as a staff before they can with the players. Why? That is wasting time in my book. 2) You can find at least 3 things wrong on every play. Yep, and we point them all out. Isn't that the point? Have no idea how 20 minutes of film review of your game with the team works. Actually would love to know. I am always looking better ways and time saving. 3) Others said they lift on Saturdays. We don't. I am in agreement with you here. 4) Don't understand what you are trying to say about keeping kids out of trouble and me drinking beer or staying up until 2am. If I can help give kids a reason to go home earlier and not party on Friday nights after a game, then I believe that is a good thing for our team. Keeps them healthier, more rested, out of fights, from drinking and driving, etc. I am not the police and don't try to be the police of their lives, but if I can give them a reason to make good choices, well, I think that is a good thing. Lastly, I just really believe in film. We will spend 30 minutes of many practices watching yesterday's practice. You better believe I am going to make sure we review the game film. I correct everything. First steps, eyes, techniques, everything on every kid. Love film! But for me, I want to watch the film first so I can really look hard at what we're doing well, and not so well. If we're watching it for the first time with the kids I'm shooting from the hip. I'm not prepared. I don't like coaching that way. Also with film I do not like going play by play making fixes. If your RG made the wrong block on the 1st Iso play but did it right every play afterwards, why bring it up? Obviously a brain fart, communication problem, etc and it was fixed. LB didn't run his feet and RB broke an arm tackle, but every other tackle was good. Move on. I'm looking for big fires from the previous games, not every little one. Not enough time in the day. If we had a handful of missed tackles b/c our feet stopped we'll show it, address it, and fix it. So, I (and the DC) find the most common, most critical mistakes, cut em up and present these on Monday (along with the goods), usually takes 20 minutes. We then focus time in our practice schedule that week to correct them. This is way more efficient than watching start to finish on Saturday. As for kids after games, do you have a few beers after games? On weeknights? So getting up early the next morning for something important doesn't deter you, why would it deter kids? I don't mind trying to keep kids out of trouble if that's an issue at your school, but I think there are better ways. Bonfire after the game, dinner tailgate in the parking lot after games, etc.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 14, 2016 15:18:26 GMT -6
As for kids after games, do you have a few beers after games? On weeknights? So getting up early the next morning for something important doesn't deter you, why would it deter kids? I don't mind trying to keep kids out of trouble if that's an issue at your school, but I think there are better ways. Bonfire after the game, dinner tailgate in the parking lot after games, etc. I do not condone the kids drinking two beers or whatever. But heck, if that is all it was, then you are right, what am I stopping? I do bet that getting up to go to work on a Thursday prevents you from getting plow-faced on Wednesday, staying out until 4am, and getting into a fight.I am not saying that our kids are doing that. We have great kids. But kids are still teenage boys and of course that stuff happens, especially when we live in Tuscaloosa and they all have friends in fraternities and Alabama is playing LSU the next day!!! The better question is who the heck is going to plan the Bonfire or after dinner tailgate? Ain't gonna be me. And all the games aren't at home. And the bars in T-town don't really get going until after 12am. All I would do is get them cleaned up and to an event so they can then go to the frat house when the bonfire is over.
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Post by 60zgo on Aug 14, 2016 15:35:39 GMT -6
I also think this is a state by state/regional issue too.
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Post by carookie on Aug 14, 2016 15:41:57 GMT -6
Yes I do, I want to finish the week we just played before starting on the new one. We finish the week by watching our own film (come Monday we are already showing films of upcoming opponent to the kids). In addition we get an extra day lifting (which pushes us to 3 during the season) also we get to check on injuries and hurts.
Coaches usually show up at about 8:00 to 8:30, players show up at 9:00 but report to weight room to meet with S&C coach, they will either lift or go see trainer then hopefully lift. At 10:00 they show up for films, this gives coaches plenty of time to grade out players or at least have a list of plays they want to show and go over. Usually by 11:00 players are done and free, this means coaches are free to work on upcoming opponent (film breakdown, scouting packet, any bit of game planning). If we are efficient, and we darn sure better be efficient, we will have films broken down a scouting report ready, and the outline for the gameplan set (at least for the defense) by 4:30 pm on Saturday.
I know this isnt everyone's cup of tea, but I always believe in the work first play later mentality, and that if there are others who can't do their work until you do yours then get yours done ASAP. We are done by Saturday afternoon and don't need to meet or work on anything on Sunday.
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Post by dytmook on Aug 14, 2016 15:46:53 GMT -6
We do most weeks. Come in at 8:30, watch film, run a bit, and a quick lift. Most the time JV guys have a game so pretty much the whole program has something to do in the morning.
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Post by keysersoze on Aug 14, 2016 18:40:36 GMT -6
Y'all don't watch film with the players? We even watch practice film with ours. What is the purpose of conditioning on Saturdays? We watch film but on Monday before practice. Our players watch gamefilm and practice film by position during the week. Also, we create playlists and notes for the players to watch over the weekend that we quiz them on. We lift and run on Saturdays because we feel it helps with recovery and it also allows our trainer to see our kids two days earlier than she would otherwise. Especially with concussions and soft tissue injuries, we feel it makes a big difference.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 14, 2016 19:30:25 GMT -6
Y'all don't watch film with the players? We even watch practice film with ours. What is the purpose of conditioning on Saturdays? We watch film but on Monday before practice. Our players watch gamefilm and practice film by position during the week. Also, we create playlists and notes for the players to watch over the weekend that we quiz them on. We lift and run on Saturdays because we feel it helps with recovery and it also allows our trainer to see our kids two days earlier than she would otherwise. Especially with concussions and soft tissue injuries, we feel it makes a big difference. Really not trying to be a pain. I really am not. I get the recovery. I get the trainer seeing them earlier. I agree with both and I listed both as reasons why we do that. I was specifically asking about the 30 minutes of conditioning especially after you lifted for 30 minutes. We don't even condition for 30 minutes in the summer or during two-a-days. I can't imagine that being beneficial the morning after a game or 30 minutes of conditioning during the season. Our kids enjoy the Saturday mornings. I don't think they would if they had to lift and then condition for 30 minutes.
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Post by rosey65 on Aug 15, 2016 7:57:58 GMT -6
We have saturday monring films. We invite the kids to come watch last nights game, we bring donuts, but it isnt mandatory. Then the kids leave, and we gameplan for the next week.
Starts at 9, we're gone by noon.
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 15, 2016 8:32:13 GMT -6
Rather than condition, when I played we would watch film on Monday, and then do calisthenic exercises in the pool. We loved it. It was rigorous enough that we got a bit of a workout in, but felt great if you were sore from the game.
Just throwing that out there as something to do if you have a pool that you can access on campus, and if you're doing stuff with your kids on weekends.
In Michigan we are only really allowed to have full contact 3 days a week anyway, so our varsity does all of their team film time on Monday and then they hit the field in just helmets and shorts and do formation recognition and other game plan type stuff.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 15, 2016 9:51:23 GMT -6
Rather than condition, when I played we would watch film on Monday, and then do calisthenic exercises in the pool. We loved it. It was rigorous enough that we got a bit of a workout in, but felt great if you were sore from the game. Just throwing that out there as something to do if you have a pool that you can access on campus, and if you're doing stuff with your kids on weekends. In Michigan we are only really allowed to have full contact 3 days a week anyway, so our varsity does all of their team film time on Monday and then they hit the field in just helmets and shorts and do formation recognition and other game plan type stuff. We only go full pads one day a week on Tuesdays and usually only go full out live for about 5-10 minutes.
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Post by John Knight on Aug 15, 2016 10:08:02 GMT -6
When I was in High school, I wish I had gotten to go to Saturday football. Instead I awoke to the smell of Biscuits and hamburger gravy with fried potatoes at 6:30am. At 7am we went to the local barrel stave mill where I split oak log butts with a sledge and wedge until noon! Loaded wood in a big ton truck and headed home to unload and stack about a cord of firewood then lunch and NCAA football the rest of the afternoon. It was what we did, every Saturday morning.
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Post by blb on Aug 15, 2016 10:24:55 GMT -6
We didn't meet, practice, or condition on Saturdays because I was HC and I didn't want to.
After games I usually didn't get to sleep until around 2 AM and I sure as hell wasn't going to watch game film that night.
So having kids come in at 8 or 9 AM wasn't going to work. Plus assistants had families-lives, too.
I wanted to be able to take my time to both evaluate our film and breakdown opponent's, plus watching CFB on Saturday afternoon was my way of "debriefing."
So coaches would meet Sunday afternoon and kids would come in Sunday evening to watch our film plus some of opponent's, even if we had HUDL.
Before dismissing kids after games I told them "Don't do anything to embarrass yourself, family, team, or school," and if they had any boo boos or owies to RICE them or if need be go to local Sports Medicine clinic where our trainer worked.
Once in 30 years did we have kids get in trouble for breaking training rules after a game.
Monday was a regular "non-collision" practice with lifting afterwards.
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