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Post by hunhdisciple on Jun 12, 2016 10:52:55 GMT -6
Now that I have had my fun, and tried to help hunhdisciple out by pointing out just how ridiculous his statement was back in February (since this seems like exactly a situation that 'relating better' should alleviate) --I will try and help out a little more with opinions on this situation. From reading the original post, there are a few issues. Having a player misjudge his talent is nearly universal. Having a player thinking he is going D1 is pretty common in places that don't regularly get recruited. Having a player who says BEFORE the fact that the coaching staff is "not smart enough to get him recruited and is holding him back" = potential problem for the program. Having a poor kid (assumption based on the word "ghetto" used) spend money on a recruiting specialist who according what you have typed is lying to the kid... = potential problem for the program AND the kid. My addled old brain thinks that you bringing in the kid and his family and discussing things with him. I would contact the recruiting area coach for some of those big schools listed and let him know what is happening. It is a bit of pain, but if presented as some snake oil salesman trying to steal from your kid, they might be more willing to help. You can than bring the information from that coach (or coaches) "Your boy isn't on our radar at all coach, that recruiting specialist is lying" to the meeting and try to help the kid and the family see the light. This will benefit him, future athletes from word of mouth, and it will also help you guys. Based on what you have typed, when your kid doesn't go to Eugene,or Tallahasse, or Los Angelos, the recruiter will simply say it is because YOU guys didn't use him right, didn't feature him, didn't call the right plays, didn't train him properly, didn't develop him, didn't do enough to get him recruited etc. This was my thinking. Can't the HFC simply call those schools and ask if they are interested in the kid? Will they share that information? This only came to light in the last few months. And we've had a coaching transition to deal with. Those random form letters that every school sends out? When he gets those, he thinks they're specifically for him. I've been looking at the last few recruiting classes those schools have had, and I'm going to try and sit down with him before the season, and just have those guys on and list and show him where he stacks up. Hopefully he understands that while he might be able to better his 40 time and things like that, he's not getting much taller and he's not putting on enough weight. At the end of the day, if he ends up going to a D-II school and blames us for it, I can live with that. He's still getting to play and he's still getting an education. If he never realizes what level he was actually at, then that's his anger to carry around. Not mine at all.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jun 12, 2016 10:56:00 GMT -6
Unfortunately we have a current coach on staff who professes himself to be a "D1" producer and trainer. He basically is abusing his privilege as a coach and getting kids to pay for training sessions with him. He claims that he got a kid who never played high school football a D1 scholarship, he claims that he will get any kid a D1 scholarship and he is filling our kids heads with the notion that they can go D1 despite never having started a game and also not being physically capable of even playing D3 ball. Not really sure how to handle it IN ga it's illegal to get your own athletes to pay for your services. I would fire him.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jun 12, 2016 12:44:19 GMT -6
Unfortunately we have a current coach on staff who professes himself to be a "D1" producer and trainer. He basically is abusing his privilege as a coach and getting kids to pay for training sessions with him. He claims that he got a kid who never played high school football a D1 scholarship, he claims that he will get any kid a D1 scholarship and he is filling our kids heads with the notion that they can go D1 despite never having started a game and also not being physically capable of even playing D3 ball. Not really sure how to handle it IN ga it's illegal to get your own athletes to pay for your services. I would fire him. I would fire him on the principle that he claims to have won two Purple Hearts but I have no power in that department.
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Post by coachfloyd on Jun 12, 2016 13:14:17 GMT -6
IN ga it's illegal to get your own athletes to pay for your services. I would fire him. I would fire him on the principle that he claims to have won two Purple Hearts but I have no power in that department. I've worked with a guy like that before.
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Post by 19delta on Jun 12, 2016 13:41:30 GMT -6
IN ga it's illegal to get your own athletes to pay for your services. I would fire him. I would fire him on the principle that he claims to have won two Purple Hearts but I have no power in that department. What?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 12, 2016 14:49:43 GMT -6
This was my thinking. Can't the HFC simply call those schools and ask if they are interested in the kid? Will they share that information? This only came to light in the last few months. And we've had a coaching transition to deal with. Those random form letters that every school sends out? When he gets those, he thinks they're specifically for him. I've been looking at the last few recruiting classes those schools have had, and I'm going to try and sit down with him before the season, and just have those guys on and list and show him where he stacks up. Hopefully he understands that while he might be able to better his 40 time and things like that, he's not getting much taller and he's not putting on enough weight. At the end of the day, if he ends up going to a D-II school and blames us for it, I can live with that. He's still getting to play and he's still getting an education. If he never realizes what level he was actually at, then that's his anger to carry around. Not mine at all. Coach--but nothing you described addresses either of these points : 1) The player believes you guys are NOT helping him out, don't believe in him, aren't good enough to get kids recruited etc. 2) Point 1 being reinforced by someone who is lying to one of your players, and cheating him out of money. Also, there is a difference between trying to explain to the kid that he is not good enough, and explaining to him that he is not actively being recruited because he isn't good enough. I wouldn't emphasize to him that he doesn't match up to the last few years recruiting classes, but rather demonstrate to him that HE IS NOT BEING RECRUITED IN THIS YEARS CLASS. That is why I would seek the help of the CFB coaches to emphasize that to him. Does anyone on your staff have experience with the recruiting process?
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Post by dytmook on Jun 12, 2016 15:20:40 GMT -6
Had a kid who is a 5'5" JV corner as a freshman say he wouldn't even talk to Youngstown St because they weren't FBS D1. This kid hardly lifted a weight in the winter and struggles to do planks now because he's that weak. Good news, I wouldn't recommend YSU talk to you anyways.
Had a good QB 2 years ago lead an exodus last year to play for a winner since they were worried about our talent level. Left and went 5-5 and go no new offers. Dad literally as a sophomore had a meeting with the HC and OC listing the kids top 50 school choices. Top of the list was Texas and OSU. Brah, not a lot of room for maybe 6 foot QBs. Take the MAC or Service Academy offer and be happy about it.
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Post by natenator on Jun 12, 2016 23:45:14 GMT -6
Can't imagine what this issue is like for some of you. It has to be a real challenge to deal with.
Thankfully here in Canada I only have to deal with one player/year who thinks they are going D1 or D2 down south but boy oh boy the delusion struggle is real.
They aren't even the best player on their HS or summer travel team but yeah, Saban is all over your junk lol
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Post by dubber on Jun 13, 2016 7:49:42 GMT -6
Why is it your job to correct this?
Sounds like it will run its course
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Post by tbel57 on Jun 13, 2016 7:58:17 GMT -6
I have dealt with this for several years now. I have always been very upfront with my kids and their parents about recruiting. I don't sugarcoat anything for them, I don't crush their dreams, I just let them know what level of football they will be able to play. I had one last year that NEVER started a game before and never did, he wanted me to help him get recruited to play. I told him to go on HUDL and make a highlight tape to send out. He told me he didn't have any highlights, so I politely told him, he need to work to get on the field and maybe at the end of the season we could work something out. He still didn't play much because of his talent level, BUT he still thought he was a college player. I finally had to break it to him that if you didn't get playing time in high school, you weren't going to play college ball. Then, in his eyes and his parents' eyes, I am the bad guy. I've got another one this year that I am already dealing with the same reality. I guess that's what we get when we live in a society where everybody gets a trophy. Just my two cents.
You guys keep working hard for the ones that are good enough and want to go play college football at whatever level. I am a former Div III player so I know how important it is to work for all of them and to be realistic with them.
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Post by joris85 on Jun 13, 2016 9:01:21 GMT -6
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Post by spos21ram on Jun 13, 2016 13:39:20 GMT -6
Why is it your job to correct this? Sounds like it will run its course Depends on the attitude of the player. I had a baseball player this year who batted .125 and an ERA of 7.50+ tell me I'm screwing him by not starting him in CF when he's not pitching because colleges are "looking at him". Mind you he started in RF all year. He also plays football and he's the worst teammate I've ever coached in terms of attitude. He would try to get other players on his side, tried talking some into quitting with him etc.....sometimes these kids need to be taken down a peg. If it's a kid who thinks he's D1, but doesn't cause any problems then I'm all for letting it run its course.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2016 14:36:24 GMT -6
Why is it your job to correct this? Sounds like it will run its course A few reasons jump to mind. First, according to the OP, the player has potentially made this a cancerous issue by saying coaching staff didn't know what they were doing and were holding him back. Second--the OP has made it sound like the player is being exploited, and has inferred that the he doesn't really have the means to waste money on someone who is defrauding him.
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Post by s73 on Jun 13, 2016 15:45:32 GMT -6
I've got a guy, and he's a very good high school athlete especially considering our competition. But, he's just that. A high school athlete. He keeps telling people in the community and other players and teachers, that he's either going to UCLA, Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama or Florida State. He's hired a "professional recruitment specialist" because he's told us that we aren't smart enough to get him signed and that we're holding him back. This recruiter keeps telling people that he's been meeting with all sorts of national coaches, and that he had dinner with Jimbo, and he was raving about this player. He was on a call with the UCLA staff, and he's at the top of their prospect list. Oregon considers him a must-get kind of guy. All sorts of stuff like that. Keeps telling people that these coaches were at games and that they were so impressed with him. You all can probably guess how much of that is true. Here's the reality: He's slower than any skill guy any of those schools will sign, ever. He's about 9 inches too small and about 85lbs too light. He's soft and has average hands. But we play enough teams with minimal athletes, that he looks like Randy Moss at times. He's going into his senior year, and is not a major college prospect, period. None of those schools will ever sign him or even consider him, period. He might MIGHT play at an average NAIA or D-III school. Maybe. How do you handle this? I have no idea how to shatter a kids unrealistic dreams, but he's going to miss out on actual colleges he can play for, because he won't return any of their questions and stuff. He's a pretty good kid just trying any way to get out of the ghetto and raise him family up. This is simple. Please listen carefully as I have a wealth of experience and expertise in working with average kids:) The fact is, D3 schools will recruit kids well into their senior years b/c THEY NEED KIDS. Nobody knows the stigma they are fighting better than them. They know kids think D1 scholly's are easier to come by than they are & they know that recruiting agencies are full of BS & will tell families what they want to hear to get their money. Hence, they are always "pounding the pavement" through out the school year to get the kids "who didn't make it". Let him "do his thing" and when none of it turns out, and the local D3 schools stop by, call him out of class along with the rest of your seniors who want to try and play college ball and simply tell him this guy wants to talk to you. He may or may not meet with him but you have fulfilled your obligation. Simple as that. JMO.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jun 13, 2016 18:28:02 GMT -6
Why is it your job to correct this? Sounds like it will run its course A few reasons jump to mind. First, according to the OP, the player has potentially made this a cancerous issue by saying coaching staff didn't know what they were doing and were holding him back. Second--the OP has made it sound like the player is being exploited, and has inferred that the he doesn't really have the means to waste money on someone who is defrauding him. More than anything, I feel bad knowing this kid and his family are attempting to pay for camps when they're probably going without food. I don't know how much I would say it's cancerous right now, but the kids who aren't that much worse than him are starting to think that if he's an SEC player, then they're top level FCS material at least. I don't want him to inflate their views, and then have it snowball from there. He's a good kid, for the most part, but he's bought into what this guy is saying.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2016 19:37:34 GMT -6
A few reasons jump to mind. First, according to the OP, the player has potentially made this a cancerous issue by saying coaching staff didn't know what they were doing and were holding him back. Second--the OP has made it sound like the player is being exploited, and has inferred that the he doesn't really have the means to waste money on someone who is defrauding him. More than anything, I feel bad knowing this kid and his family are attempting to pay for camps when they're probably going without food. I don't know how much I would say it's cancerous right now, but the kids who aren't that much worse than him are starting to think that if he's an SEC player, then they're top level FCS material at least. I don't want him to inflate their views, and then have it snowball from there. He's a good kid, for the most part, but he's bought into what this guy is saying. Good on you coach for looking out for the kid. The hard part is though, it is natural to believe people when they tell you things you want to hear. That is why I would would try to get intouch with those college coaches responsible for your area. Let them know what is happening. Let them know that a "recruiting specialist" is saying he is having meetings with their HC's and you don't think that is the case. I would play up the "I am trying to help you guys out angle".
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Post by dubber on Jun 13, 2016 20:30:43 GMT -6
A few reasons jump to mind. First, according to the OP, the player has potentially made this a cancerous issue by saying coaching staff didn't know what they were doing and were holding him back. Second--the OP has made it sound like the player is being exploited, and has inferred that the he doesn't really have the means to waste money on someone who is defrauding him. More than anything, I feel bad knowing this kid and his family are attempting to pay for camps when they're probably going without food. I don't know how much I would say it's cancerous right now, but the kids who aren't that much worse than him are starting to think that if he's an SEC player, then they're top level FCS material at least. I don't want him to inflate their views, and then have it snowball from there. He's a good kid, for the most part, but he's bought into what this guy is saying. Then you are in the right. Though I would be realistic about your odds of success. It is sickening to see someone taken advantage of....
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Post by cookiemonster on Jul 3, 2016 13:42:55 GMT -6
Call those schools and get the truth on their recruitment of him and then share it with the kid and the parent. Put together a true plan to get him recruited targeting schools he can play for. I had this situation this year and got names from them and called any that I could contact and none of them even new who our kid was. Bottom line is these outside recruiting guys are lying to these kids to make money and need to be called out.
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Post by raymul313 on Jul 5, 2016 2:50:12 GMT -6
This is great presentation Coach!
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Post by amakelky on Jul 5, 2016 12:04:29 GMT -6
Unfortunately we have a current coach on staff who professes himself to be a "D1" producer and trainer. He basically is abusing his privilege as a coach and getting kids to pay for training sessions with him. He claims that he got a kid who never played high school football a D1 scholarship, he claims that he will get any kid a D1 scholarship and he is filling our kids heads with the notion that they can go D1 despite never having started a game and also not being physically capable of even playing D3 ball. Not really sure how to handle it I've seen this somewhere else before. Only difference was the guy was a former college player who used his name recognition to entice kids & parents into paying him for the same sort of set up. He was asked once to end it, & when the HC saw another add for his "training sessions" he was fired.
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Post by s73 on Jul 5, 2016 13:16:07 GMT -6
Unfortunately we have a current coach on staff who professes himself to be a "D1" producer and trainer. He basically is abusing his privilege as a coach and getting kids to pay for training sessions with him. He claims that he got a kid who never played high school football a D1 scholarship, he claims that he will get any kid a D1 scholarship and he is filling our kids heads with the notion that they can go D1 despite never having started a game and also not being physically capable of even playing D3 ball. Not really sure how to handle it I've seen this somewhere else before. Only difference was the guy was a former college player who used his name recognition to entice kids & parents into paying him for the same sort of set up. He was asked once to end it, & when the HC saw another add for his "training sessions" he was fired. If it is as you say it is, then 2 things come to mind. One, where in the he!! is your AD? This is highly unethical and should be dealt with immediately. Any cash we receive goes through our district business office, period. Cannot, and SHOULD not be making any personal transactions. Secondly, he's literally hustling cash from these kids and in essence, since he's part of your program, the case could be made that your program hustles kids. Not saying that's your intent, but technically he's part of the program & he's hustling kids so.... Got to drop him. No other way around it. One of your guys is deceiving kids to line his own pockets. It's a simple decision. JMO.
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Post by raymul313 on Jul 5, 2016 22:19:07 GMT -6
I've seen this somewhere else before. Only difference was the guy was a former college player who used his name recognition to entice kids & parents into paying him for the same sort of set up. He was asked once to end it, & when the HC saw another add for his "training sessions" he was fired. If it is as you say it is, then 2 things come to mind. One, where in the he!! is your AD? This is highly unethical and should be dealt with immediately. Any cash we receive goes through our district business office, period. Cannot, and SHOULD not be making any personal transactions. Secondly, he's literally hustling cash from these kids and in essence, since he's part of your program, the case could be made that your program hustles kids. Not saying that's your intent, but technically he's part of the program & he's hustling kids so.... Got to drop him. No other way around it. One of your guys is deceiving kids to line his own pockets. It's a simple decision. JMO. Would anyone's feelings towards this be different if he did ''training sessions'' for kids outside of the program say kids in another school or outside of the teams your school would play in the regular season?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 5, 2016 22:44:36 GMT -6
If it is as you say it is, then 2 things come to mind. One, where in the he!! is your AD? This is highly unethical and should be dealt with immediately. Any cash we receive goes through our district business office, period. Cannot, and SHOULD not be making any personal transactions. Secondly, he's literally hustling cash from these kids and in essence, since he's part of your program, the case could be made that your program hustles kids. Not saying that's your intent, but technically he's part of the program & he's hustling kids so.... Got to drop him. No other way around it. One of your guys is deceiving kids to line his own pockets. It's a simple decision. JMO. Would anyone's feelings towards this be different if he did ''training sessions'' for kids outside of the program say kids in another school or outside of the teams your school would play in the regular season? Yes.. feelings would be different. I would still disagree with it, but now its not because he is milking his own program's kids for money, but rather he is now improving the opponents. If he wants to do that, get off the sideline, and just be a S&C guy.
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Post by s73 on Jul 6, 2016 8:17:30 GMT -6
If it is as you say it is, then 2 things come to mind. One, where in the he!! is your AD? This is highly unethical and should be dealt with immediately. Any cash we receive goes through our district business office, period. Cannot, and SHOULD not be making any personal transactions. Secondly, he's literally hustling cash from these kids and in essence, since he's part of your program, the case could be made that your program hustles kids. Not saying that's your intent, but technically he's part of the program & he's hustling kids so.... Got to drop him. No other way around it. One of your guys is deceiving kids to line his own pockets. It's a simple decision. JMO. Would anyone's feelings towards this be different if he did ''training sessions'' for kids outside of the program say kids in another school or outside of the teams your school would play in the regular season? I guess it depends on what his qualifications are. If he is lying to kids to gain their trust as the OP originally stated, then is he lying about his qualifications to get them to work with him so he can get their money? In other words, if he is a worthy trainer than I have no problem with it. But if he is lying to drum up business about his training expertise (again, the OP said he lied about his connections, etc) then he's still a hustler & that would be a problem for me.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 6, 2016 8:42:12 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't even touch these situations any more. The delusions of grandeur these kids experience is fueled by parents and other outside parties that will always convince the kids that they're smarter and more "connected" than the coaching staff. He's already decided that the staff are idiots if he and his parents have hired a "recruiting agency". I have found that there's not much you can say or do in these situations... We've had kids that have been shot down by NAIA and D2-3 schools at camps but still think that they're bound for FBS greatness.
I don't waste my time trying to bring them back to reality. Their performance on the field and the lack of interest following it will do it for them. I don't have a hard time putting a plug in for a hardworking kid at the small college level but I only contact the small school coaches I know well and just discuss a potential walk-on offer. Maybe the kid jumps at the opportunity and earns a roster spot eventually, maybe not. But, I've done my due-diligence at that point.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 6, 2016 9:36:42 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't even touch these situations any more. The delusions of grandeur these kids experience is fueled by parents and other outside parties that will always convince the kids that they're smarter and more "connected" than the coaching staff. He's already decided that the staff are idiots if he and his parents have hired a "recruiting agency". I have found that there's not much you can say or do in these situations... We've had kids that have been shot down by NAIA and D2-3 schools at camps but still think that they're bound for FBS greatness. I don't waste my time trying to bring them back to reality. Their performance on the field and the lack of interest following it will do it for them. I don't have a hard time putting a plug in for a hardworking kid at the small college level but I only contact the small school coaches I know well and just discuss a potential walk-on offer. Maybe the kid jumps at the opportunity and earns a roster spot eventually, maybe not. But, I've done my due-diligence at that point. I understand your thought process here, but in the original post in the thread, the coach mentioned the kid "trying to get out of the ghetto, and help his family" On that basis, I would disagree with the "oh well, you will find out" approach. Now if it were a snotty kid from a family that was fairly well off and just didn't have a clue, I might just turn a blind eye. But also, I think the mindset that the coaching staff doesn't know what they are doing needs to be addressed because it seems to be perpetuated by outright lies (Jimbo fisher having dinner with the "recruiting guy"). As I mentioned earlier, if/when nothing big happens for this kid, it will be because "the coaching staff didn't do the right things" The OP mentioned a change in head coaches--I would think that it is important for the program to insure that such inaccuracies are corrected in the beginning.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 6, 2016 9:54:14 GMT -6
Honestly, I don't even touch these situations any more. The delusions of grandeur these kids experience is fueled by parents and other outside parties that will always convince the kids that they're smarter and more "connected" than the coaching staff. He's already decided that the staff are idiots if he and his parents have hired a "recruiting agency". I have found that there's not much you can say or do in these situations... We've had kids that have been shot down by NAIA and D2-3 schools at camps but still think that they're bound for FBS greatness. I don't waste my time trying to bring them back to reality. Their performance on the field and the lack of interest following it will do it for them. I don't have a hard time putting a plug in for a hardworking kid at the small college level but I only contact the small school coaches I know well and just discuss a potential walk-on offer. Maybe the kid jumps at the opportunity and earns a roster spot eventually, maybe not. But, I've done my due-diligence at that point. I understand your thought process here, but in the original post in the thread, the coach mentioned the kid "trying to get out of the ghetto, and help his family" On that basis, I would disagree with the "oh well, you will find out" approach. Now if it were a snotty kid from a family that was fairly well off and just didn't have a clue, I might just turn a blind eye. But also, I think the mindset that the coaching staff doesn't know what they are doing needs to be addressed because it seems to be perpetuated by outright lies (Jimbo fisher having dinner with the "recruiting guy"). As I mentioned earlier, if/when nothing big happens for this kid, it will be because "the coaching staff didn't do the right things" The OP mentioned a change in head coaches--I would think that it is important for the program to insure that such inaccuracies are corrected in the beginning. I didn't catch the part about him being poor and trying to better his life. I do have more empathy for a kid in that situation. I still don't know what I'd do, other than try to get him to a decent camp and push for some walk-on offers. I think stressing smaller colleges would be a good approach but the kid needs to understand that he needs to pay his dues in the weight room and out on the field in order to get to the college level. I guess I would still be on the fence with regards to the "recruiting experts". It wouldn't take much to debunk this guy and one could pass that information on to the family so that they don't waste anymore money on the guy. However, I have yet to work in a program where kids haven't accused the coaching staff of not working hard enough to get them to the next level. Two of the programs are perennial powerhouses that send kids to the college level every year but parents and kids still have tantrums when little Johnny doesn't get recruited. But, again, you can head off the major b.s. with these recruiters by pointing out their blatant lies to the kids and the parents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 6, 2016 11:10:00 GMT -6
. But, again, you can head off the major b.s. with these recruiters by pointing out their blatant lies to the kids and the parents. I think that is the problem. Once the parents and kids believe you don't know what you are doing and fully believe what they want (and what is being told to them by the recruiting service guy) you can't disprove anything because you are not trusted. I think that is the sticky situation here. You need a 3rd party to say "I know you want to believe what this guy is saying, but it simply isn't true)
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Post by coachcb on Jul 6, 2016 11:31:02 GMT -6
I think that is the problem. Once the parents and kids believe you don't know what you are doing and fully believe what they want (and what is being told to them by the recruiting service guy) you can't disprove anything because you are not trusted. I think that is the sticky situation here. You need a 3rd party to say "I know you want to believe what this guy is saying, but it simply isn't true) Unfortunately, I have seen most parents and kids walk into a program not believing that the staff knows what they're doing. At least this has been my experience... This really highlights one of the major issues in coaching know: we're fighting against commercialism. It's easy for a "recruiting service" to put up a flashy website, show how they've gotten a couple of kids to the "next level", and get parents and kids suckered into their crap and take their money. I don't know that it's a fight we can win and maybe these parents and kids need to learn their lessons the hard way. We can send film out, advocate for the kids in a realistic manner and let the chips fall as they will. They can spend their money trying to get the kid into an FBS school while we set them up with a more realistic offer from a smaller school. But, it's been pretty rare for a kid who has aspirations of playing at the college level to thank us or feel as if we "did enough for them".
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Post by s73 on Jul 6, 2016 11:35:13 GMT -6
I think that is the problem. Once the parents and kids believe you don't know what you are doing and fully believe what they want (and what is being told to them by the recruiting service guy) you can't disprove anything because you are not trusted. I think that is the sticky situation here. You need a 3rd party to say "I know you want to believe what this guy is saying, but it simply isn't true) I think the problem here is that you CANNOT control what kids or parents think. No matter what, they will think what they want to & recruiting agencies PREY on that b/c they know it to be true. Unless they have experience in the recruiting/coaching realm themselves, they will always agree with the recruiting agencies b/c they are hearing what they WANT to be true regardless of whether it is or not. Hence, you cannot control the trust issue, nor should you try to outside of a rational sit down or two. With that said, I wholeheartedly agree on the 3rd party point. Our school arranged for a guest speaker (forget the name at this point, but he was very good) and he basically shot it straight. The whole "9". If you aren't getting invited to workout for free, if you aren't being hounded as an underclassmen, etc. the likelihood is you aren't getting seriously recruited. Then he went into how you have a better chance of earning money through academics COMBINED with athletics, etc. I think it was an eyeopener for those that chose to attend and reinforced what I have said all along to many of these kids. That was our best weapon to help kids see the truth. Furthermore, he said that PARENTS and the athlete himself are the ones most responsible for putting their kid in the best position of getting recruited by being realistic, not closing any doors and harping on your kids about their grades. JMO. Just looked it up, his name is Jack Renkens & he is worth the fee for the speaking engagement IMO.
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