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Post by coach2013 on Apr 3, 2016 17:22:09 GMT -6
In what ways have you maybe changed to simplify your program and be less demanding?
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Post by mhs99 on Apr 3, 2016 19:02:48 GMT -6
Biggest thing for us was limiting contact to basically one day a year. We get live in the preseason with 1v1 and some Bama drills and that is it. We are much more focused on form tackling. We also don't do anything on weekends, we never really did for kids anyway, includes coaches now We are still demanding in terms of hours guys put in to the program as it relates to practice time, weight room, and 7v7, etc.
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Post by coachirish on Apr 3, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -6
1. Only practice 3 days a week in the summer. 2. No two a days. 3. Camp is only 2.5 days 4. No longer restrict long hair or facial hair. 5. No practice on Saturday. 6. Always take labor day off. 7. No minimum GPA, just don't fail. 8. We only do one 7on7 and it is not a tournament. 9. Cut back from 3 to 2 fall scrimmages. 10. No dress code on away games, be appropriate though.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 3, 2016 21:06:59 GMT -6
1. Only practice 3 days a week in the summer. 2. No two a days. 3. Camp is only 2.5 days 4. No longer restrict long hair or facial hair. 5. No practice on Saturday. 6. Always take labor day off. 7. No minimum GPA, just don't fail. 8. We only do one 7on7 and it is not a tournament. 9. Cut back from 3 to 2 fall scrimmages. 10. No dress code on away games, be appropriate though. I'm all for a more relaxed approach if it equals success. What did you experience?
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 3, 2016 21:59:40 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce
i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that
i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares
saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit
i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic
i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever
from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 3, 2016 22:11:52 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play Same, think it's the CA lifestyle.
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Post by carookie on Apr 3, 2016 23:18:20 GMT -6
Don't mean to vent, but our HC once again has the kids scheduled 24 hours a week during the summer, the only thing we demand more of is kid's time (because after a while they wont be giving you high output anyways). The majority of this excess time is spent with coaches talking, so I think the one thing I am trying to convince our staff to cut out is yammering.
If the kids arent doing anything except listening to you talk then you are probably wasting time.
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Post by CS on Apr 4, 2016 4:09:40 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play Same, think it's the CA lifestyle. Arkansas born and bread and I agree 100%. The only thing we limit is pink during cancer awareness month and that is because we don't want the poor kids to be left out. We give each kid a pink ribbon sticker and that's what they wear for the month
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Post by coachirish on Apr 4, 2016 4:53:39 GMT -6
1. Only practice 3 days a week in the summer. 2. No two a days. 3. Camp is only 2.5 days 4. No longer restrict long hair or facial hair. 5. No practice on Saturday. 6. Always take labor day off. 7. No minimum GPA, just don't fail. 8. We only do one 7on7 and it is not a tournament. 9. Cut back from 3 to 2 fall scrimmages. 10. No dress code on away games, be appropriate though. I'm all for a more relaxed approach if it equals success. What did you experience? In that 5 years that I have been hc we have had the most success in school history. Won 9 games this season, only the 3rd time that had happened in 53 years.
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Post by hammer66 on Apr 4, 2016 5:34:30 GMT -6
This is an interesting topic I have worked for a couple of different HCs. Totally different philosophies. One had rules galore...one had pretty much no rules. I think you have to be in the middle somewhere. WE are a small school so I believe we need to demand less time from the kids off season. WE need them to lift....we need them for spring ball. We need them to participate in our football workouts when they start in APRIL if they are available but dont penalize them if the are not. The big thing in my opinion is those three things will give them an opportunity to PLAY for us in the FALL.
As far as the other little rules... BE on time. BE accountable on and off the field at all times. I may be old school but I hate the INDIVIDUALISM that kids want to express. Its about US and WE not I and ME. The kids that showed up with flashy spikes and socks and all the gear.... were nothing but problems and generally had horrible parents. Kids that went to all the college combines and had zero shot of getting a scholarship. So yeah...I am a guy who wants all the same color socks and all the same spikes...its a little thing but I feel its important.
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Post by coachirish on Apr 4, 2016 5:39:30 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play We no longer restrict hair. I did year 1 because we needed the discipline. I've let it go know.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 4, 2016 6:17:15 GMT -6
We have for years basically said after the season is over the only thing we want you to do is lift. We don't do anything team related until July and then we go 3 nights a week for work outs till the first official day. In the summer it's just team work outs, no 7-7 tournaments or team camps or any of that. We also do not bring them in on the weekends in-season. So all we ask is that you lift in the off season and get to work outs in July.
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Post by s73 on Apr 4, 2016 6:44:15 GMT -6
No 2 a-days (haven't done them in over 10 years) Off season lifting (take November and March off, start back today) 8 days in June & 8 days in July No weekends for kids (QB's can voluntarily come in w/ position coach) No rules other than lateness & Unexcused absences (follow school policy for anything else) No selling anything fundraisers (cannot stand them) No conditioning periods in practice (practice at the right tempo to condition the kids) Not gonna lie coachbdud, had to look up pedantic in the dictionary, consequently I agree with your assessment
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Post by funkfriss on Apr 6, 2016 12:20:40 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play Taking the availability of athletes out of the equation, the programs that I have seen to be more "straight laced" and "professional" and "less me-scentric" are the ones that tend to have continued success. In the opposite programs, you'll get a flash-in-the-pan w/ a group of superb athletes/kids, but don't tend to have the same success. Just been my experience, but maybe it's b/c I'm not in California. I'm sure your community's culture is going to drive a lot of these rules and rituals. I'm sure many of you would frown upon prayer before practice or games, but you're not from the Bible Belt either.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 6, 2016 12:25:45 GMT -6
the more rules you have the more you have to enforce i have seen some team rules before, whether it be on here or talking to a coach in person... and it is just like wtf ... who gives a $hit i dont have time to police that i had an uncle that coached a few years ago and bragged how they only wore black cleats, you cant be an individual and blah blah blah who cares saw the no long hair/facial hair above... no offense coach, but who gives a $hit i have so many more things to worry about ( making sure kids grades are up, getting kids in the weight room, feeding my kids, coaching my butt off) to worry about little things like those just seems rather shallow and pedantic i personally do not care if every kid wants to wear 1700 pairs of wristbands, sleeves, neon green highlighter socks, whatever from a demanding standpoint, i am trying to increase how demanding we are in the off season... i think any game we lose occurs in the off season, not with what we do in season we give them every friday off in the summer, i gave the kids spring break off this year (this past week) we have a relatively short practice compared to most HS teams we are one of the only teams in our area who does not charge each player a fee to play Taking the availability of athletes out of the equation, the programs that I have seen to be more "straight laced" and "professional" and "less me-scentric" are the ones that tend to have continued success. In the opposite programs, you'll get a flash-in-the-pan w/ a group of superb athletes/kids, but don't tend to have the same success. Just been my experience, but maybe it's b/c I'm not in California. I'm sure your community's culture is going to drive a lot of these rules and rituals. I'm sure many of you would frown upon prayer before practice or games, but you're not from the Bible Belt either. still fairly common to pray before games i dont always participate and i make it a point to stress to every member that they do not have to join, only if they want to it would be illegal for me to say that they all have to join the prayer this year our starting QB was muslim, when the team prayed he would go about 10 yards away and engage in his own prayer, often i would go stand beside him in support of him i didnt want him to feel alone
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 6, 2016 12:54:30 GMT -6
Taking the availability of athletes out of the equation, the programs that I have seen to be more "straight laced" and "professional" and "less me-scentric" are the ones that tend to have continued success. In the opposite programs, you'll get a flash-in-the-pan w/ a group of superb athletes/kids, but don't tend to have the same success. Just been my experience, but maybe it's b/c I'm not in California. I'm sure your community's culture is going to drive a lot of these rules and rituals. I'm sure many of you would frown upon prayer before practice or games, but you're not from the Bible Belt either. still fairly common to pray before games i dont always participate and i make it a point to stress to every member that they do not have to join, only if they want to it would be illegal for me to say that they all have to join the prayer this year our starting QB was muslim, when the team prayed he would go about 10 yards away and engage in his own prayer, often i would go stand beside him in support of him i didnt want him to feel alone
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Post by coachpech on Apr 6, 2016 12:55:47 GMT -6
Interested in some your opinions on what you guys do if one of the coaches on staff simply doesn't put any time or effort in? It's always an excuse that something is going on with his family. I'm always a family first guy so I keep my mouth shut but it's a little ridiculous that 5 coaches do the work of 7 during the off season. How do you go about addressing this frustration? Both him and I are assistants, his best friend is the AD.... other coaches on staff agree but it hasn't been talked about as a whole. Personally my feelings are that if you don't have the time to dedicate to help turn a program around then why waste your time? Especially frustrating when we could use someone more motivated and football smart in his position....maybe I just need to relax but it's very very frustrating when he contributes nothing.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 6, 2016 13:06:41 GMT -6
Interested in some your opinions on what you guys do if one of the coaches on staff simply doesn't put any time or effort in? It's always an excuse that something is going on with his family. I'm always a family first guy so I keep my mouth shut but it's a little ridiculous that 5 coaches do the work of 7 during the off season. How do you go about addressing this frustration? Both him and I are assistants, his best friend is the AD.... other coaches on staff agree but it hasn't been talked about as a whole. Personally my feelings are that if you don't have the time to dedicate to help turn a program around then why waste your time? Especially frustrating when we could use someone more motivated and football smart in his position....maybe I just need to relax but it's very very frustrating when he contributes nothing. You can always relieve him of his coaching duties so that he can have even more family time.
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Post by coachpech on Apr 6, 2016 13:52:30 GMT -6
I wish I had the privilege of doing that. Unfortunately I'm not the head coach.And to complicate things further he's best friends with the AD and head coach...
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 6, 2016 14:04:11 GMT -6
I wish I had the privilege of doing that. Unfortunately I'm not the head coach.And to complicate things further he's best friends with the AD and head coach... Sounds like you're not going to do much of anything, then.
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Post by dytmook on Apr 6, 2016 14:24:41 GMT -6
Don't give him any responsibilities so you're not disappointed when he doesn't do them. When he tries to jump in remind him he wasn't around when the decision was made. It's tough but I've been in a similar situation.
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Post by blb on Apr 6, 2016 14:29:52 GMT -6
Don't give him any responsibilities so you're not disappointed when he doesn't do them. When he tries to jump in remind him he wasn't around when the decision was made. It's tough but I've been in a similar situation.
pech is not the HC, there is nothing he can do about situation - except b!tch about a colleague on a message board.
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Post by fantom on Apr 6, 2016 15:32:11 GMT -6
Interested in some your opinions on what you guys do if one of the coaches on staff simply doesn't put any time or effort in? It's always an excuse that something is going on with his family. I'm always a family first guy so I keep my mouth shut but it's a little ridiculous that 5 coaches do the work of 7 during the off season. How do you go about addressing this frustration? Both him and I are assistants, his best friend is the AD.... other coaches on staff agree but it hasn't been talked about as a whole. Personally my feelings are that if you don't have the time to dedicate to help turn a program around then why waste your time? Especially frustrating when we could use someone more motivated and football smart in his position....maybe I just need to relax but it's very very frustrating when he contributes nothing. You and he are both assistants? He's friends with the AD? Well, you personally can't do chit.
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Post by coachcb on Apr 6, 2016 15:35:01 GMT -6
I can sum it up in one statement: place your focus on what you can control which is the actual season itself.
They choose to hit the weights and go to camps? GREAT! If not, then sink them on the depth chart and make them fight for a spot come August.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Apr 6, 2016 15:45:28 GMT -6
One of our biggest rules is that your cleats can't be our big rivals colors. Had that happen a few years ago, it was kind of embarrassing. A lot of kids went in on a specific style and color, and turns out they didn't check with coaches to see if that was a good color scheme. Trotted out against that team, their cleats and our cleats all matched their jerseys.
We have a lot of diverse backgrounds in our area, despite being rural. Basically, if your actions are causing a distraction, it won't be allowed. Wear what you want, look how you want, as long as it isn't an issue.
Hell, personally I'd love to see a ton of O-line and D-line guys with full beards.
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Post by coachpech on Apr 6, 2016 16:34:58 GMT -6
Don't give him any responsibilities so you're not disappointed when he doesn't do them. When he tries to jump in remind him he wasn't around when the decision was made. It's tough but I've been in a similar situation.
pech is not the HC, there is nothing he can do about situation - except b!tch about a colleague on a message board.
I should explain, I really like the guy.He's what I would consider a good friend now and I'm not talking {censored} about him just frustrated with the amount of effort it seems to put out. But I also do not have kids so I cant fully relate so I choose to just not say anything. We make do and are working towards an improved year next year.
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Post by coachpech on Apr 6, 2016 16:36:51 GMT -6
I can sum it up in one statement: place your focus on what you can control which is the actual season itself. They choose to hit the weights and go to camps? GREAT! If not, then sink them on the depth chart and make them fight for a spot come August. This is exactly what I'm trying to do. He was named Head Coach of 9th grade and JV teams recently so I have a little built up frustration but am working to improve in the areas I need to as a Coach just as I ask the kids to do as athletes and students.
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Post by coachpech on Apr 6, 2016 16:37:27 GMT -6
Interested in some your opinions on what you guys do if one of the coaches on staff simply doesn't put any time or effort in? It's always an excuse that something is going on with his family. I'm always a family first guy so I keep my mouth shut but it's a little ridiculous that 5 coaches do the work of 7 during the off season. How do you go about addressing this frustration? Both him and I are assistants, his best friend is the AD.... other coaches on staff agree but it hasn't been talked about as a whole. Personally my feelings are that if you don't have the time to dedicate to help turn a program around then why waste your time? Especially frustrating when we could use someone more motivated and football smart in his position....maybe I just need to relax but it's very very frustrating when he contributes nothing. You and he are both assistants? He's friends with the AD? Well, you personally can't do chit. Yup.
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Post by coachjm on Apr 6, 2016 17:59:49 GMT -6
In the last 5 years we have really sized down on things:
- Our offseason lifting is 2 days a week we coach up those who are there and give them some incentives and don't worry about those who aren't (still encourage them to play) - Summer we go to three days and are always done in an hour and a half - Cut back on camp dates and 7 on 7's - Nothing on the weekends in or out of season - No practice on labor day - No two a day practices - We no longer condition at the end of practice - We no longer run formal structured stretching periods at the start of practice - We don't hit much in practice - We practice much less time per day then we used too..
Really the only thing that has increased is our use of film but much of this has to do with the availability to film due to Hudl... Our results on the field is a variable that is tough to judge because there are many factors that go into it (we have won more games) my view is our programs have benefitted because our kids are fresher, always seemingly wanting more football and are choosing to find ways to get extra work rather then dreading the fact that their coach is making them do something. The switch in culture due us REQUIRING less has led to our kids having more fun, our parents being happier with our staff and more approachable, and most importantly me happier as I'm not stressed about many of the things I was trying to control that I really had no control over...
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Post by holmesbend on Apr 6, 2016 18:24:48 GMT -6
In the last 5 years we have really sized down on things: - Our offseason lifting is 2 days a week we coach up those who are there and give them some incentives and don't worry about those who aren't (still encourage them to play) - Summer we go to three days and are always done in an hour and a half - Cut back on camp dates and 7 on 7's - Nothing on the weekends in or out of season - No practice on labor day - No two a day practices - We no longer condition at the end of practice - We no longer run formal structured stretching periods at the start of practice - We don't hit much in practice - We practice much less time per day then we used too.. Really the only thing that has increased is our use of film but much of this has to do with the availability to film due to Hudl... Our results on the field is a variable that is tough to judge because there are many factors that go into it (we have won more games) my view is our programs have benefitted because our kids are fresher, always seemingly wanting more football and are choosing to find ways to get extra work rather then dreading the fact that their coach is making them do something. The switch in culture due us REQUIRING less has led to our kids having more fun, our parents being happier with our staff and more approachable, and most importantly me happier as I'm not stressed about many of the things I was trying to control that I really had no control over... How is the lifting only two days a week going? Serious question. Reason is because I got back into lifting last September for the first time in 12 years since my last week of my senior college season. The program I started is by a guy named Jim Wendler and his "5 3 1" program (best thing I've ever done or come across by the way and will definitely be doing it if/when I get another chance a HC), but there have been many weeks where I've only been able to get in two good workouts a week (couple hours long, doubling up Push Press/Dead Lift one day then Squat/Bench the other) and I never missed a beat...continued gains...more than ever (even during hs and college playing days). So, I've thought that if my 34 year old out of shape, has been a$$ can make big time strength gains....surely 14-18 year olds would be an automatic and then some.
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