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Post by natenator on Mar 22, 2016 14:46:56 GMT -6
love this man! lol
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 22, 2016 20:02:36 GMT -6
Ahh must be that time of year where people get all pissy and high and mighty about 7 on 7 vs real football, so refreshing! We know it isn't "real football," no one has claimed it to be, it's a tool.
Sidenote, stadiums don't fill up because of lineman either (not that Miami's stadium has filled up in a long time but that's beside the point),my hey fill up because it's a big game in the format we have grown to know and love...if you don't like 7 on 7 or see merit in it don't do it, simple as that, no harm no foul, Sit at home and have your WRs hit a sled instead of running routes and catching balls, should service your squad well if you feature a forward pass.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 22, 2016 20:18:00 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances.
I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me.
It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 22, 2016 20:27:14 GMT -6
I don't know if you're right about stadiums filling up for the linemen. But, I do know that it fills up quicker if there's nothing but linemen in it.
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Post by holmesbend on Mar 22, 2016 20:33:17 GMT -6
"Agents and chite for 14 year olds..." bahahahaha.
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Post by natenator on Mar 22, 2016 20:45:24 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. I suspect you're already doing this in the summer with your team without having to attend some peacocking tournament
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Post by dytmook on Mar 22, 2016 20:47:21 GMT -6
7 on 7 for learning assignments, spacing, timing good
7 on 7 for recruiting and inflate visor heads, bad
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jlab27
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Post by jlab27 on Mar 22, 2016 20:55:52 GMT -6
Having been around Kehoe quite a bit,I bet his underlying frustration isn't with 7 on 7, per se. But more so what it has become in South Florida. It is a bad. "all-star" teams run by some shady characters, who are looking to attach themselves to kids.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 22, 2016 21:00:24 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. In our area we see nothing but junk O and Junk D. It's become almost useless with little to no carry over. We do one or two tournaments late in the summer just to say we did it if the powers that be ask.
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Post by poundtherock1 on Mar 22, 2016 22:47:18 GMT -6
To me 7 on 7 outside of our offense vs. our defense is not about teaching. Sure we throw our stuff and I will never understand why people would have installs just to win passing leagues, but the value in it is not in scheme. To me it is all about the competition aspect. The kids like it. It's fun for them. They get t basically play super organized back yard football against other teams in our state. It's a huge confidence boost when you compete with a team you might not have any business competing with. I like it for that reason alone.
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Post by dblwngr on Mar 22, 2016 22:58:22 GMT -6
To me 7 on 7 outside of our offense vs. our defense is not about teaching. Sure we throw our stuff and I will never understand why people would have installs just to win passing leagues, but the value in it is not in scheme. To me it is all about the competition aspect. The kids like it. It's fun for them. They get t basically play super organized back yard football against other teams in our state. It's a huge confidence boost when you compete with a team you might not have any business competing with. I like it for that reason alone. We'll see how much our kids like it going in this year as a 46 cover 1 team that always sends 5. Teams will be looking at us like we're crazy for playing a man short! Haha! Should be interesting! Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 22, 2016 23:17:06 GMT -6
To me 7 on 7 outside of our offense vs. our defense is not about teaching. Sure we throw our stuff and I will never understand why people would have installs just to win passing leagues, but the value in it is not in scheme. To me it is all about the competition aspect. The kids like it. It's fun for them. They get t basically play super organized back yard football against other teams in our state. It's a huge confidence boost when you compete with a team you might not have any business competing with. I like it for that reason alone. We'll see how much our kids like it going in this year as a 46 cover 1 team that always sends 5. Teams will be looking at us like we're crazy for playing a man short! Haha! Should be interesting! Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards We do that most of the time
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Post by raymul313 on Mar 23, 2016 0:02:46 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. What would constitute a 'garbage' defense in 7 on 7 (I've never been to one before...at least one that wasn't a part of a structured practice)?
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Post by agap on Mar 23, 2016 0:16:53 GMT -6
Playing Cover 2 man under. A lot of teams use it, but no one does it every snap like some teams will in 7 on 7.
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Post by raymul313 on Mar 23, 2016 1:35:06 GMT -6
Playing Cover 2 man under. A lot of teams use it, but no one does it every snap like some teams will in 7 on 7. Maybe I'm in the minority as I happen to like C2 Man Under but I would want my Safeties to play some man coverage bc in season I may raise hell on a blitz so they'll have to cover at some point.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 23, 2016 3:40:26 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. You get 0 in 7-on-7?
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 23, 2016 4:03:29 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. You get 0 in 7-on-7? More 1, but none of the teams that do it run any kind of man coverage during the season. We see a ton of MSU style quarters during the season but most teams don't run it at 7 on 7.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 23, 2016 6:44:34 GMT -6
Ahh must be that time of the month where whiney b!itches can't laugh at something funny. Do you want some cheese with that whine of yours? Little pot and kettle there? Pretty big leap but to each his own...
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 23, 2016 6:48:54 GMT -6
We'll see how much our kids like it going in this year as a 46 cover 1 team that always sends 5. Teams will be looking at us like we're crazy for playing a man short! Haha! Should be interesting! Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards We do that most of the time Went in to one last year set up to work not a tournament format on our first day of install and only had c3 in which we played behind some of our blitzes, I told all of the other coaches so they could work their stuff as they saw fit. 3 of the 4 teams worked combinations that ran the entirety of their play book or gave them a tough matchup, 1 team just threw seams and seam hitches the whole time...like I told the kids after, 4 teams got better one won the 7on7 world championship. have also run our cover zero blitzes in both formats of 7 on 7
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 23, 2016 6:54:06 GMT -6
Having been around Kehoe quite a bit,I bet his underlying frustration isn't with 7 on 7, per se. But more so what it has become in South Florida. It is a bad. "all-star" teams run by some shady characters, who are looking to attach themselves to kids. That would make a lot more sense, the agent comment which drives me nuts about all the AAU basketball and various baseball leagues. Guys with no real accountability working an angle and overpromising. We don't have that in our state, any non school 7 on 7 makes the player ineligible for that upcoming season. While I think the state should then enforce the same penalty on basketball, soccer, baseball, lacrosse, etc I appreciate them trying to keep that model from growing bc of the lack of responsibility and accountability...guess the cat is out of the bag in the other sports and they are afraid they will lose players, and revenue, if they clamped down on the others bc kids may pick their AAU or summer ball teams instead of the school (which we see in soccer).
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 23, 2016 7:22:39 GMT -6
From defenses we will see no linebackers in the box, double press coverage on a good receiver, etc. Offensively it's lots of routes run on the line of scrimmage, check downs directly in front of the QB, and a bunch of stuff that generally encourages bad habits, and bad reads out of the QB.
I get the competition aspect and I was a big believer in the past, but in the past couple of years it has become really counter productive in my area.
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Post by 60zgo on Mar 23, 2016 7:25:04 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. You get 0 in 7-on-7? Yes. They will play "0" and go double cover people.
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Post by joelee on Mar 23, 2016 8:03:03 GMT -6
I think 7 on 7 is probably overemphasized, but it can be a great teaching tool under the right circumstances. I can teach my QB his reads/progressions vs 1/3 shells, 2/4 shells, and cover 0 which is valuable to me. It becomes less valuable if you get a garbage defense designed only to win a 7 on 7 and that would not actually be used in a game. What would constitute a 'garbage' defense in 7 on 7 (I've never been to one before...at least one that wasn't a part of a structured practice)? I find value in 7 on 7 so for categorization purposes that's where I am. BUT one team I played a few years ago played 3 deep 4 under man. We hit our FB in the flat over and over to move the chains but, really? Another team insisted on having 8 guys on the field and blitzing one of them right into our qb's face and trying to block passes and on a 3rd down decided to drop all 8 of them. That game didn't last long.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 23, 2016 8:27:01 GMT -6
What would constitute a 'garbage' defense in 7 on 7 (I've never been to one before...at least one that wasn't a part of a structured practice)? I find value in 7 on 7 so for categorization purposes that's where I am. BUT one team I played a few years ago played 3 deep 4 under man. We hit our FB in the flat over and over to move the chains but, really? Another team insisted on having 8 guys on the field and blitzing one of them right into our qb's face and trying to block passes and on a 3rd down decided to drop all 8 of them. That game didn't last long. Woof. I understand blitzing and having him banana out the way but to get in the QBs face in 7on7 is pretty stupid. I signed up for my first 7on7 tournament since summer of 2012. We won more 7on7 games that summer than real ones.
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Post by dbeck84 on Mar 23, 2016 8:36:42 GMT -6
I find value in 7 on 7 so for categorization purposes that's where I am. BUT one team I played a few years ago played 3 deep 4 under man. We hit our FB in the flat over and over to move the chains but, really? Another team insisted on having 8 guys on the field and blitzing one of them right into our qb's face and trying to block passes and on a 3rd down decided to drop all 8 of them. That game didn't last long. Woof. I understand blitzing and having him banana out the way but to get in the QBs face in 7on7 is pretty stupid. I signed up for my first 7on7 tournament since summer of 2012. We won more 7on7 games that summer than real ones. We run a 3-5, so we always have 8 on the field in 7-on-7. One always takes a knee at the snap to simulate a blitzer. I wouldn't imagine running a guy at a QB with no protection in front of him.
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Post by gibbs72 on Mar 23, 2016 10:04:49 GMT -6
As a DC/ Secondary guy, 7 on 7 is invaluable to me. It allows me to focus on just coverages when we KNOW they are throwing so our reads are simple. One of the best things I use for install.
At camp/ practice, I use 1/2 line 7 on 7 as a jog-through with no football to focus on just the routes. Has a helped a ton with my young guys the past couple summers.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 23, 2016 10:14:43 GMT -6
It's pretty easy to be a 7-7 hero when you don't have a 6'2'' 220lb DE bearing down on you every time you take a snap.
There have been years where I'll have a kid grab a hand shield during pass skelly and have him try to block me while I play DE and bear down on our QBs like a bat out of hell. I picked up that little trick coaching in the Flexbone and SBV offenses; nothing teaches a QB to handle pressure quite like the ol' ball coach playing the HOK or pitch key and hunting you down with a hand shield each down. \
I'm lucky I haven't been sued...
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 23, 2016 10:55:23 GMT -6
7on7 or pass skelly at practice is good. The tourneys are bad, but I can't seem to get a team over to just do 20-30 min of our O and 20-30 min of theirs then be done. I would prefer it that way.
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Post by coachklee on Mar 23, 2016 11:16:55 GMT -6
Yes. They will play "0" and go double cover people. Well that's BS!
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Post by gibbs72 on Mar 23, 2016 11:30:04 GMT -6
7on7 or pass skelly at practice is good. The tourneys are bad, but I can't seem to get a team over to just do 20-30 min of our O and 20-30 min of theirs then be done. I would prefer it that way. Absolutely! We can do it at full team camps, but everybody's 7 on 7 turns into a tournament. I go for my guys to get reps. The da*n scoreboard isn't even on!
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